Barry Bonds out until atleast midseason, maybe all year

[BCYL]

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: BCYL

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17

Originally posted by: BCYL

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17

Originally posted by: isasir

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17
Yeah, like even if any of you juiced up on steroids could still hit and play like he has...

Its like saying if Tiger Woods suddenly took steroids, its not like just because he could drive it farther that he'd necessarily be any better of a golfer.

And yes, this steroid talk is so old and nobody even cares anymore. I don't know why they focus on it so damn much on every sports thing.

So if he was so talented without steroids, which i don't deny, why bother taken them, uh, I mean flaxseed oil, at all?

Hell, pitchers have walked him so much the past few years, so he should've stopped taking them.

Agreed. Just making the point that he's not just some loser that wouldn't be anything without whatever it was that he took.

I don't think anyone doubts he has talent, but in some way that just made him all the worst when he decided to cheat...

Yeah, it has ruined the great accomplishments he's made. I just get sick of all these people who talk like he wouldn't have been anything without the "performance enhancers" that he used.

Then again, this is ATOT where little whiny 13 year olds like to comment on everything, so what am I to expect.

I don't think him taking steroids is the biggest problem here. Giambi took steroids yet I'm willing to forgive him. The problem with Barry is that he thinks he's better than anybody else and it's him against everyone else. He keeps whining after every little tough question asked by a reporter, as if other athletes don't get asked tough questions. He complains about every negative article about him. When steroids issue came up, instead of coming out and saying "guys I used steroids and I'm sorry" or "guys I didn't use steroids, this is all a lie" he starts b*tching and whinning about how media created this. He had a chance to go down as one of the most famous and loved players ever. Instead he'll be remembered as a jerk.

Actually the biggest problem I have with Bonds is that he always acts like he is better than everyone else. However it turns out he was cheating all along (we can't tell when he actually started taking steriods). This makes it impossible to tell what his natural ability is and how talented he is.

Yet he still acts like he is better than everyone else, even after he's caught cheating...

I hate to break it to you, but many people consider him to be the greatest baseball player ever. My coaches last year thought so, along with many other baseball fans.

I just think it's stupid when people say he sucks without steroids and other stupid things, because he's obviously talented. You can't just take steroids and have a good eye and be able to knock in 50+ home runs a season.

I never said he's not talented... in fact in my earlier post in this thread I said he's a real talented player... my point is you can't really tell HOW talented he is now since he took steriods (you can't separate what's his natural ability and what came from the roids)...

 

[jalaram]

Originally posted by: BCYL
Actually the biggest problem I have with Bonds is that he always acts like he is better than everyone else. However it turns out he was cheating all along (we can't tell when he actually started taking steriods). This makes it impossible to tell what his natural ability is and how talented he is.

Yet he still acts like he is better than everyone else, even after he's caught cheating...

Maybe my memory's playing tricks on me, but he was considered one of best players in the game (if not the best) when he played for the Pirates. And if you see one of his pics from then, there's no way he was taking steroids at the time. The guy could hit 40 homers and steal 40 bases. His natural ability is phenomenal.

And as Red Dawn said, he hasn't been caught yet.

 

[aplefka]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: aplefka
You can't just take steroids and have a good eye and be able to knock in 50+ home runs a season.

No, it's not going to make a guy who always misses the ball start connecting or anything like that. What it will do is make a guy who used to accurately hit pop flies into the outfield start hitting more homeruns. You still need to connect, but it'll add power to your hits.

Exactly. So for a 38-40 year old man to be able to have that kind of an eye is incredible, and can't be attributed to steroids. So assuming he took steroids for 3 seasons, let's say 2001-2003, why would his home run numbers have gone down in that time? He hits 73 the first year then only 46 and 45? I mean he only hit 34 and 49 the two season before that, so what's not to say that he had one really good year?

The year that he took the cream was 2003, so he hit 45 home runs on a year that everyone now 75% knows that he took some type of steroid.

I'm sorry, but it just doesn't hold it. Steroids doesn't make you a better hitter if you're old.

 

[BCYL]

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: aplefka
You can't just take steroids and have a good eye and be able to knock in 50+ home runs a season.

No, it's not going to make a guy who always misses the ball start connecting or anything like that. What it will do is make a guy who used to accurately hit pop flies into the outfield start hitting more homeruns. You still need to connect, but it'll add power to your hits.

Exactly. So for a 38-40 year old man to be able to have that kind of an eye is incredible, and can't be attributed to steroids. So assuming he took steroids for 3 seasons, let's say 2001-2003, why would his home run numbers have gone down in that time? He hits 73 the first year then only 46 and 45? I mean he only hit 34 and 49 the two season before that, so what's not to say that he had one really good year?

The year that he took the cream was 2003, so he hit 45 home runs on a year that everyone now 75% knows that he took some type of steroid.

I'm sorry, but it just doesn't hold it. Steroids doesn't make you a better hitter if you're old.

You can also attribute his lower HR numbers to pitchers STOPPED pitching to him...

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: jalaram

Originally posted by: BCYL
Actually the biggest problem I have with Bonds is that he always acts like he is better than everyone else. However it turns out he was cheating all along (we can't tell when he actually started taking steriods). This makes it impossible to tell what his natural ability is and how talented he is.

Yet he still acts like he is better than everyone else, even after he's caught cheating...

Maybe my memory's playing tricks on me, but he was considered one of best players in the game (if not the best) when he played for the Pirates. And if you see one of his pics from then, there's no way he was taking steroids at the time. The guy could hit 40 homers and steal 40 bases. His natural ability is phenomenal.

And as Red Dawn said, he hasn't been caught yet.

Yes he has been caught... he admitted it in testimony in court (even though he claims he didn't know what he was talking HAHAHA yeah right :disgust: )

 

[aplefka]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: jalaram

Originally posted by: BCYL
Actually the biggest problem I have with Bonds is that he always acts like he is better than everyone else. However it turns out he was cheating all along (we can't tell when he actually started taking steriods). This makes it impossible to tell what his natural ability is and how talented he is.

Yet he still acts like he is better than everyone else, even after he's caught cheating...

Maybe my memory's playing tricks on me, but he was considered one of best players in the game (if not the best) when he played for the Pirates. And if you see one of his pics from then, there's no way he was taking steroids at the time. The guy could hit 40 homers and steal 40 bases. His natural ability is phenomenal.

And as Red Dawn said, he hasn't been caught yet.

Yes he has been caught... he admitted it in testimony in court (even though he claims he didn't know what he was talking HAHAHA yeah right isgust

He wasn't shooting up though, he was using cream. How do they know how effective it was?

Whatever, I'm done with this thread for now. I've got to go ship some stuff and it seems that 95% of ATOT knows nothing about baseball. Many people admitted how boring they thought it was and how much they didn't like it, and if I find that thread and get the names of posters, then find any of them in here, you can automatically ignore their "opinions" because it's all just based on the cool thing today, which is to bash anything or anyone popular. I wouldn't be surprised to find many of the same posters in the Michael Jackson threads saying how he's guilty and they hope he dies etc. etc.

It's sad when this is the most mature board I frequent, and it's still very immature at times.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: aplefka
You can't just take steroids and have a good eye and be able to knock in 50+ home runs a season.

No, it's not going to make a guy who always misses the ball start connecting or anything like that. What it will do is make a guy who used to accurately hit pop flies into the outfield start hitting more homeruns. You still need to connect, but it'll add power to your hits.

Exactly. So for a 38-40 year old man to be able to have that kind of an eye is incredible, and can't be attributed to steroids. So assuming he took steroids for 3 seasons, let's say 2001-2003, why would his home run numbers have gone down in that time? He hits 73 the first year then only 46 and 45? I mean he only hit 34 and 49 the two season before that, so what's not to say that he had one really good year?

The year that he took the cream was 2003, so he hit 45 home runs on a year that everyone now 75% knows that he took some type of steroid.

I'm sorry, but it just doesn't hold it. Steroids doesn't make you a better hitter if you're old.

No but HGH does help you heal quicker from nagging injuries. I bet if there wasn't a big scandal going on right now about Steriods Barry would be taking HGH to heal his kneee to get back in the game quicker. Without any steroids Barry might be finished for good as he probably won't be the same Athlete he was prior to this injury due to his advanced age (well for Athletes) and the inability of his body to heal like it would have if he was younger or using steriods such as HGH. In addition, with all the controversy dogging him I don't think the record means as much to him anymore plus he has all the money in the world. I wouldn't be surprised if he just says fsck it and retires.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: aplefka

Yeah, because when you're not able to walk without crutches it's really easy to go to the gym and work out. So any excuse he must have can't possibly be legit. :disgust:

I don't mean just Barry. I mean anybody, anywhere, who takes steroids and stops has 2 choices: either maintain the same weight and have much of it turn into fat, or lose some weight. With steroids you can have a much leaner body mass and be heavier at the same time. It's all about hormone levels. The lower the T level, the less muscle you can hold on you. If you decrease someone or something'ss T level by castrating them/it, they won't be able to pack on much muscle. Take a look at the difference between a bull and a steer.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: aplefka

He wasn't shooting up though, he was using cream. How do they know how effective it was?

You don't have to inject steroids, they can be administered a few different ways. You can inject them, you can take pills or you can take it transdermally.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: jalaram

Originally posted by: BCYL
Actually the biggest problem I have with Bonds is that he always acts like he is better than everyone else. However it turns out he was cheating all along (we can't tell when he actually started taking steriods). This makes it impossible to tell what his natural ability is and how talented he is.

Yet he still acts like he is better than everyone else, even after he's caught cheating...

Maybe my memory's playing tricks on me, but he was considered one of best players in the game (if not the best) when he played for the Pirates. And if you see one of his pics from then, there's no way he was taking steroids at the time. The guy could hit 40 homers and steal 40 bases. His natural ability is phenomenal.

And as Red Dawn said, he hasn't been caught yet.

Yes he has been caught... he admitted it in testimony in court (even though he claims he didn't know what he was talking HAHAHA yeah right isgust

He wasn't shooting up though, he was using cream. How do they know how effective it was?

Whatever, I'm done with this thread for now. I've got to go ship some stuff and it seems that 95% of ATOT knows nothing about baseball. Many people admitted how boring they thought it was and how much they didn't like it, and if I find that thread and get the names of posters, then find any of them in here, you can automatically ignore their "opinions" because it's all just based on the cool thing today, which is to bash anything or anyone popular. I wouldn't be surprised to find many of the same posters in the Michael Jackson threads saying how he's guilty and they hope he dies etc. etc.

It's sad when this is the most mature board I frequent, and it's still very immature at times.

Nobody is saying that Bonds wasn't an awesome player pre-juice. He was, simple as that. But the fact that he's become one of the best players of all time as he's becoming an older man, is what's crazy.

Honestly, you it seems like you really do not know much about how sterioids impact your body overall; they do not just add muscle and make you big.

Bonds is getting older, that's a simple fact. As you get older, you have to train longer and harder to maintain the shape you're in. Steroids allow a person to recover from their workouts much more quickly, and allow the user to workout much harder, and acheive much higher gains.

Steroids keep muscle and the person in much better temporary shape (before coming off of them). They allow you to resist injuries, which usually plague players as they get older. They take the edge off of the wear and tear players go through everyday because they allow the user to recover from physical activity much faster. Steroids helped keep Bonds body from breaking down naturally like it would've as he got older.

As far as bat speed is concerned, as you get older, your bat speed declines as a result of being in worse shape. Since Bonds used steroids, he could work out harder and longer, and keep his bad speed up to snuff, or possibly increase it beyond his natural prime.

Basically, steroids and (hGh which I didn't talk about) allowed Bonds to defy his age, and get even better then the MVP caliber player he already was. He went from a damn good and shoe-in Hall of Famer to one of the greatest by cheating, simple as that.

The fact that he keeps publicly denying it, after it being in a Grand Jury testimony, and the fact that he then says he unknowingly put it in his body, is a bunch of crap, especially for a health-nut like him who wouldn't put anything that is not 100% known into his body.

Bonds knew exactly what he was doing, he tried to lie about it, and is now trying to act like a victim.

 

[Toasthead]

I hope he never plays again

 

[cavemanmoron]

Bonds describes he is mentally drained, being hurt mentally and physically and is also tired of his kids crying.

"You [media] wanted me to jump off the bridge, I finally have jumped," Bonds said during his interview on Tuesday. "You wanted to bring me down, you finally have brought me and my family down. You finally have done it. From everybody, all of you. Now go pick a different person."

03/22 14:55:22 ET
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http://www.sportsnetwork.com/default.as...snetwork&page=/mlb/news/AAN3811498.htm

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: aplefka
So assuming he took steroids for 3 seasons, let's say 2001-2003, why would his home run numbers have gone down in that time? He hits 73 the first year then only 46 and 45? I mean he only hit 34 and 49 the two season before that, so what's not to say that he had one really good year?

The year that he took the cream was 2003, so he hit 45 home runs on a year that everyone now 75% knows that he took some type of steroid.

Intentional Walks- year/number/rank
2000-22-2
2001-35-2
2002-68-1
2003-61-1
2004-120-1

You can see that the year after his record 2001 season, they nearly doubled the amount that they walked him. By 2004 they hardly even pitched to him, walking him more than 5x as often as they did in 2000.

 

[noto12ious]

here come all the bonds fangirls trying to defend the cheater.

but he has good "hand eye coordination"!!!!

so did hank aaron... and i don't see aaron having to cheat

 

[HardcoreRobot]

i just watched his interview on espn

damn dude may be the best big leaguer ever, and he acts like a damn child

stupid whining and finger pointing and pity party, wtf grow up

bringing your kid to the interview to show how much pain the media is causing the family? wtf?

 

[royaldank]

What a baby.

Hope he never suits up again. He's a cheater that should have an asterik beside his name for cheating fans everywhere.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: aplefka

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: jalaram

Originally posted by: BCYL
Actually the biggest problem I have with Bonds is that he always acts like he is better than everyone else. However it turns out he was cheating all along (we can't tell when he actually started taking steriods). This makes it impossible to tell what his natural ability is and how talented he is.

Yet he still acts like he is better than everyone else, even after he's caught cheating...

Maybe my memory's playing tricks on me, but he was considered one of best players in the game (if not the best) when he played for the Pirates. And if you see one of his pics from then, there's no way he was taking steroids at the time. The guy could hit 40 homers and steal 40 bases. His natural ability is phenomenal.

And as Red Dawn said, he hasn't been caught yet.

Yes he has been caught... he admitted it in testimony in court (even though he claims he didn't know what he was talking HAHAHA yeah right isgust

He wasn't shooting up though, he was using cream. How do they know how effective it was?

Whatever, I'm done with this thread for now. I've got to go ship some stuff and it seems that 95% of ATOT knows nothing about baseball. Many people admitted how boring they thought it was and how much they didn't like it, and if I find that thread and get the names of posters, then find any of them in here, you can automatically ignore their "opinions" because it's all just based on the cool thing today, which is to bash anything or anyone popular. I wouldn't be surprised to find many of the same posters in the Michael Jackson threads saying how he's guilty and they hope he dies etc. etc.

It's sad when this is the most mature board I frequent, and it's still very immature at times.

IIRC, there has been testimony that Bonds took Winstrol in 2001 in the offseason. You have to shoot it up, and you also have to shoot up the Clear (which we know he took). Remember the leaked Giambi testifimony where he said that he would grab some of his Rectus Abdominus area (abs) and inject the Clear? Bonds is no different, he had to inject it somehow because it's fact that he took it.