Barry Bonds Interview after Game 7

[mpitts]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
So happy to see that he lost

Here was the question:

Hey Barry, how does it feel that after all your individual accolades and acheivements, you still couldn't win the world series, which is what baseball is all about, playing as a team?

Here's another one:

Hey Gobadgrs, how came you feel the need to deride someone whose accomplishments will make anything you ever do look insignificant?

What accomplishments? that he can hit a ball 500+ft or hits for .370? pft
The real accomplishments I admire is the fact the lady down the street is raising 3 good boys by herself. I admire the Pastor at my church for all the work he does for the homeless and poor. I admire my wife for putting up with me.

Yes what bonds is amazing nobody ever said it is not. But to say you must admire a guy who does drugs to do all of that is wrong.

I don't want to hear this arguement. Apples and oranges. No one is argueing that Bonds is a savior who is going to cure world hunger and lobby for world peace. You can't argue that he hasn't accomplished a lot on the baseball field. Last time I checked, that is his job and what he is judged by.

 

[mpitts]

Originally posted by: AvesPKS

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
So happy to see that he lost

Here was the question:

Hey Barry, how does it feel that after all your individual accolades and acheivements, you still couldn't win the world series, which is what baseball is all about, playing as a team?

Here's another one:

Hey Gobadgrs, how came you feel the need to deride someone whose accomplishments will make anything you ever do look insignificant?

He hits a ball with a stick. That's some accomplishment.

Blah blah blah.. I guess the Angels winning the world series isn't an accomplishment either. These people are judged by what they can do on the baseball field. Baseball and hitting are Bonds' "fields" and I would say he has accomplished quite a bit on them. He goes out and does his job better than ANYONE IN BASEBALL. I don't know how anyone could argue otherwise.

You can grasp at straws and start the whole "real-world" argument, despite the fact that it has nothing to do with what anyone is talking about.

 

[mpitts]

Originally posted by: Stark
Funny how nobody has even mentioned the key error Bonds made during the run the Angels made in game 6. Who care if you hit 60+ home runs if you can't even pick up a baseball when your team needs it most. He helped cost his team the world series, plain and simple.

And I'd take ARod, Randy Johnson, Kurt Schilling, Ichiro, and a few other players before Bonds. He's the greatest hitter alive, but not the greatest ball player.

That may be the single-most myopic statement I have heard yet. Bonds did not cost his team the World Series. Christ, the guy went 8-17 with 4 HRs and a .700 on base percentage.

Why isn't it Robb Nen's fault for allowing Garrett Anderson to hit the ball? Or Santiago for calling the wrong pitch which Anderson hit? Or how about Worrell for putting the men on base before Nen came in? There are hundreds of decisions/pitches/plays that decide the outcome of the game.

There is this thing called the big picture. Maybe you have heard of it.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: mpitts

Originally posted by: Stark
Funny how nobody has even mentioned the key error Bonds made during the run the Angels made in game 6. Who care if you hit 60+ home runs if you can't even pick up a baseball when your team needs it most. He helped cost his team the world series, plain and simple.

And I'd take ARod, Randy Johnson, Kurt Schilling, Ichiro, and a few other players before Bonds. He's the greatest hitter alive, but not the greatest ball player.

That may be the single-most myopic statement I have heard yet. Bonds did not cost his team the World Series. Christ, the guy went 8-17 with 4 HRs and a .700 on base percentage.

Why isn't it Robb Nen's fault for allowing Garrett Anderson to hit the ball? Or Santiago for calling the wrong pitch which Anderson hit? Or how about Worrell for putting the men on base before Nen came in? There are hundreds of decisions/pitches/plays that decide the outcome of the game.

There is this thing called the big picture. Maybe you have heard of it.

Obviously we are arguing Baseball with a bunch of Pasty white shut ins here. As an avid baseball fan for over 40 years I can't believe what some of these idiots are saying

 

[Gaard]

I don't really care for Bonds too much. Why? Because I don't feel he's telling the truth when he denies steroid use. Hell, I don't care that he does...I'd bet a majority of players do...but why deny it? I remember Mays being asked if he thought Bonds did steroids. His reply was something to the effect of "If he says he doesn't, then I have to believe he's telling the truth." But everyone (including the hosts/reporters) said they could tell WM was uncomfortable with the question. Like I said, it shouldn't make a difference that he does...it's the denial. *shrug* It might not seem like much of a reason to dislike a person...but do you really need a good reason to dislike athletes/celebrities?

And for those claiming the Giants had moral problems...remember,
If it had been a 1 game series the Giants would've won, or
If it had been a 5 game series the Giants would've won.

 

[nitsuj3580]

seriously, I have never criticized on this site and I understand everyone has there own opinion which is fine but some of these comments have me dumbfounded.

Bonds blew the game because he struck out when the Giants had a 5-0 lead? Are you serious? That was the World Series right there? I hope you're joking. Who's not to say he gets a hit and the Angels still come back. That was hardly the World Series. Angels made a heck of a comeback against the best 9 players the Giants could put out there.

I guess Bonds also lost the game for them because he didn't jump 100 feet in the air to catch Glaus' double or can't run a 3.5 second 40 yd dash to catch up to the ball?

I'd like to see someone give proof of his "roids" use. Crazy idea that working hard in the weight room, he could have filled out as he matured and grew older. Anyone who's worked out before knows that some people are lucky enough to have the body chemistry to just develop quickly given the right workout regime.

Great World Series although no one should have went because they should have been donating all their time to charities and fundraisers, right? Baseball is a game and a few hundred athletes are fortunate enough to make a very nice living from it by making a profession out of baseball. Don't compare a baseball player to Mother Teresa or a priest please. If anything, most players do make significant contributions in their communities.

 

[Gaard]

nitsuj3580 - I'd like to see someone give proof of his "roids" use.

What's your opinion of him refusing to take a test? He was told that it would not only settle the controversy once and for all (for him anyways), but that it might do wonders for helping his image.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Gaard
I don't really care for Bonds too much. Why? Because I don't feel he's telling the truth when he denies steroid use. Hell, I don't care that he does...I'd bet a majority of players do...but why deny it? I remember Mays being asked if he thought Bonds did steroids. His reply was something to the effect of "If he says he doesn't, then I have to believe he's telling the truth." But everyone (including the hosts/reporters) said they could tell WM was uncomfortable with the question. Like I said, it shouldn't make a difference that he does...it's the denial. *shrug* It might not seem like much of a reason to dislike a person...but do you really need a good reason to dislike athletes/celebrities?

And for those claiming the Giants had moral problems...remember,
If it had been a 1 game series the Giants would've won, or
If it had been a 5 game series the Giants would've won.

Most of these guys who are responding negatively don't know squat about baseball. When I was growing up we didn't spend all our time playing Girly Computer Games like Quake, UT and CS, we were at the park from dawn to dusk playing baseball. Our Heroes weren't dweebs like John Carmack, they were Willie Mays, Sandy Koufax and Mickey Mantle. Back then a player making $100,000 a year was big money. Now days they make up td 20 Mil a year. With that kind of green on the line todays players train year round, unlike May and Mantle. In fact Mantle use to get Drunk after the games and didn't even lift a weight let alone train in the off season. I've seen guys Bonds age bulk up from weight training without Steriods and without working as hard as Bonds. He's a highly paid Professional Athlete who is paid to train yearly and who has all the equipment and trainers money can buy. I can assure you that is any of us worked as hard as Bonds does with weight and conditioning we'd be in comparable shape without using Steriods.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Bonds blew the game because he struck out when the Giants had a 5-0 lead? Are you serious? That was the World Series right there? I hope you're joking. Who's not to say he gets a hit and the Angels still come back. That was hardly the World Series. Angels made a heck of a comeback against the best 9 players the Giants could put out there.

Actually I didn't say bonds cost them the game. well i may have said it, but what i was TRYING to say was that he could have perceived himself to have lost the game. seriously, do you honestly think he doesn't see that slider in his dreams every night. this is a guy that almost NEVER swings at bad pitches. it was an AMAZING at bat cause i for one thought for sure that bonds was gonna hit a homerun. that's whats so great about baseball it has to be played ON THE FIELD.

which brings us to my original point. i really don't care about how bonds acts OFF the field, i'm just concerned w/ his performance ON the field, and in my opinion, he is the GREATEST LEFT FIELDER EVER and one of the GREATEST baseball players EVER.

 

[mpitts]

Originally posted by: Gaard
nitsuj3580 - I'd like to see someone give proof of his "roids" use.

What's your opinion of him refusing to take a test? He was told that it would not only settle the controversy once and for all (for him anyways), but that it might do wonders for helping his image.

When did he refuse? I know that Sosa clammed up and bailed when Rick Reiley offered to pay for a test for him, but I haven't heard that Bonds ever refused to take a test.

 

[PlatinumGold]

actually, NONE of the players will take a roids test w/o SPECIFIC approval from the players union. the baseball players UNION is EXTREMELY POWERFUL, very few players will even consider crossing the players union.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: mpitts

Originally posted by: Gaard
nitsuj3580 - I'd like to see someone give proof of his "roids" use.

What's your opinion of him refusing to take a test? He was told that it would not only settle the controversy once and for all (for him anyways), but that it might do wonders for helping his image.

When did he refuse? I know that Sosa clammed up and bailed when Rick Reiley offered to pay for a test for him, but I haven't heard that Bonds ever refused to take a test.

If I were him I'd tell them to shove the test up their ass! He doesn't have to prove squat to any of these Envy Merchants and hacks trying to portray themselves off as Sports Reporters. And the idiot who buy into those hacks stories are just as pathetic..or Dodger fans which is the epitamy of Pathetic.

 

[Miramonti]

Bonds didn't blow the game or series with his fielding in game 6 although it would have helped if he didn't choke there. He also destroyed the ball the whole series and was unbelievably dominant, probably as much as anyone in history. Problem was that the whole team only came up with 1 run since spezios homer in game 6, and the whole team choked from that point on.

That said, anyone who thinks bonds isn't on steroids probably has as much banned substances in their system as he does.

And imo, all performances from athletes on steroids should be completely discounted and tossed from the records. If you can't do it without them, they shouldn't count with them. And if you can do it without them, then don't take 'em.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: jjsole
Bonds didn't blow the game or series with his fielding in game 6 although it would have helped if he didn't choke there. He also destroyed the ball the whole series and was unbelievably dominant, probably as much as anyone in history. Problem was that the whole team only came up with 1 run since spezios homer in game 6, and the whole team choked from that point on.

That said, anyone who thinks bonds isn't on steroids probably has as much banned substances in their system as he does.

And imo, all performances from athletes on steroids should be completely discounted and tossed from the records. If you can't do it without them, they shouldn't count with them. And if you can do it without them, then don't take 'em.

Try working out year long then you might know wtf you are talking about.

 

[rival]

all you bonds haters are jealous, the mans got skills, leave him be

 

[Stark]

That may be the single-most myopic statement I have heard yet. Bonds did not cost his team the World Series. Christ, the guy went 8-17 with 4 HRs and a .700 on base percentage.

Why isn't it Robb Nen's fault for allowing Garrett Anderson to hit the ball? Or Santiago for calling the wrong pitch which Anderson hit? Or how about Worrell for putting the men on base before Nen came in? There are hundreds of decisions/pitches/plays that decide the outcome of the game.

There is this thing called the big picture. Maybe you have heard of it.

I said he HELPED cost his team the series with a huge error at the worst possible time. There is this think called English literacy. Maybe you should try it some time.

Sure, Bonds hit some monster bombs... but name one hit in a key game that won a game.
Game 1: monster blast, Giants win by 1
Game 2: monster blast, HR, Giants lose
Game 3: HR, Giants lose
Game 4: 3 walks, no HR, Giants win
Game 5: 3 for 4, no HR, Giants win big
Game 6: HR, key error during Angels comeback
Game 7: 1-3, 1BB, no HR

Spezio's HR in the 6th game was bigger than any Bonds hit in the entire playoffs.

Bonds is a great player, sure. But his defense hurt his team and for all his great hitting power, it never made the difference in any game. He never put them on top, his hits didn't win a game. Apart from Game 1, if you took away all Bonds HRs, the outcome would have been the same in every game.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: mpitts

Originally posted by: Gaard
nitsuj3580 - I'd like to see someone give proof of his "roids" use.

What's your opinion of him refusing to take a test? He was told that it would not only settle the controversy once and for all (for him anyways), but that it might do wonders for helping his image.

When did he refuse? I know that Sosa clammed up and bailed when Rick Reiley offered to pay for a test for him, but I haven't heard that Bonds ever refused to take a test.

I dunno when...a while ago. He was asked if he would take a test to settle the controversy (you agree that there's a controversy, don't you?) and he said he wouldn't...IIRC because it would be breaking one of those unwritten rules.



Red Dawn - <<If I were him I'd tell them to shove the test up their ass! He doesn't have to prove squat to any of these Envy Merchants and hacks trying to portray themselves off as Sports Reporters.>>

I agree with you that he doesn't have to prove squat. But if my career was going to be forever tainted with questions of steroid usage I might consider..."Sure, what the hell? If it'll shut all of you up."


IIRC, Mac was like..."Yeah, I take drugs. They're enhancing drugs, but they're legal. What else you wanna know?"

The whole thing might be moot anyways. Wasn't random drug testing approved for next year?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Stark

That may be the single-most myopic statement I have heard yet. Bonds did not cost his team the World Series. Christ, the guy went 8-17 with 4 HRs and a .700 on base percentage.

Why isn't it Robb Nen's fault for allowing Garrett Anderson to hit the ball? Or Santiago for calling the wrong pitch which Anderson hit? Or how about Worrell for putting the men on base before Nen came in? There are hundreds of decisions/pitches/plays that decide the outcome of the game.

There is this thing called the big picture. Maybe you have heard of it.

I said he HELPED cost his team the series with a huge error at the worst possible time. There is this think called English literacy. Maybe you should try it some time.

Sure, Bonds hit some monster bombs... but name one hit in a key game that won a game.
Game 1: monster blast, Giants win by 1
Game 2: monster blast, HR, Giants lose
Game 3: HR, Giants lose
Game 4: 3 walks, no HR, Giants win
Game 5: 3 for 4, no HR, Giants win big
Game 6: HR, key error during Angels comeback
Game 7: 1-3, 1BB, no HR

Spezio's HR in the 6th game was bigger than any Bonds hit in the entire playoffs.

Bonds is a great player, sure. But his defense hurt his team and for all his great hitting power, it never made the difference in any game. He never put them on top, his hits didn't win a game. Apart from Game 1, if you took away all Bonds HRs, the outcome would have been the same in every game.

How about all the runs he scored? I hate to say this Stark because you are usually pretty competent when you post but you are spouting ignorant nonsense. Glaus couldn't even carry Bonds Jockstrap and I bet Glaus would be the first to admit it!!!

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: mpitts

Originally posted by: Gaard
nitsuj3580 - I'd like to see someone give proof of his "roids" use.

What's your opinion of him refusing to take a test? He was told that it would not only settle the controversy once and for all (for him anyways), but that it might do wonders for helping his image.

When did he refuse? I know that Sosa clammed up and bailed when Rick Reiley offered to pay for a test for him, but I haven't heard that Bonds ever refused to take a test.

I dunno when...a while ago. He was asked if he would take a test to settle the controversy (you agree that there's a controversy, don't you?) and he said he wouldn't...IIRC because it would be breaking one of those unwritten rules.



Red Dawn - <<If I were him I'd tell them to shove the test up their ass! He doesn't have to prove squat to any of these Envy Merchants and hacks trying to portray themselves off as Sports Reporters.>>

I agree with you that he doesn't have to prove squat. But if my career was going to be forever tainted with questions of steroid usage I might consider..."Sure, what the hell? If it'll shut all of you up."


IIRC, Mac was like..."Yeah, I take drugs. They're enhancing drugs, but they're legal. What else you wanna know?"

The whole thing might be moot anyways. Wasn't random drug testing approved for next year?

Random Drug Testing is BS. Guys who use Steroids Cycles them and probably don't use them in the Season unless there are dumbshits like Caminittii who didn't cycle. Now his body doesn't even make testosterone. He has to take medication to make his body produce them.

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: Stark

That may be the single-most myopic statement I have heard yet. Bonds did not cost his team the World Series. Christ, the guy went 8-17 with 4 HRs and a .700 on base percentage. Why isn't it Robb Nen's fault for allowing Garrett Anderson to hit the ball? Or Santiago for calling the wrong pitch which Anderson hit? Or how about Worrell for putting the men on base before Nen came in? There are hundreds of decisions/pitches/plays that decide the outcome of the game. There is this thing called the big picture. Maybe you have heard of it.

I said he HELPED cost his team the series with a huge error at the worst possible time. There is this think called English literacy. Maybe you should try it some time. Sure, Bonds hit some monster bombs... but name one hit in a key game that won a game. Game 1: monster blast, Giants win by 1 Game 2: monster blast, HR, Giants lose Game 3: HR, Giants lose Game 4: 3 walks, no HR, Giants win Game 5: 3 for 4, no HR, Giants win big Game 6: HR, key error during Angels comeback Game 7: 1-3, 1BB, no HR Spezio's HR in the 6th game was bigger than any Bonds hit in the entire playoffs. Bonds is a great player, sure. But his defense hurt his team and for all his great hitting power, it never made the difference in any game. He never put them on top, his hits didn't win a game. Apart from Game 1, if you took away all Bonds HRs, the outcome would have been the same in every game.

I think what he did was phenomonal, and what he didn't do or didn't do as well as could have been was very forgiveable...if his teammates gave him more support. Scocia did an excellent job with him too...I think he didn't let him bat even once (or just once) with runners in scoring position. Its incredible how much they avoided him...and even with that, he still delivered quite a bit when he was pitched to.

Maybe the tide wouldn't have turned if he made that fielding play, but you never know, the angels still would have tied it and also now had the momentum. The turning point was the fact that the angels started getting to the giants relievers tho, whether bonds made that play or not.

 

[Gaard]

Drug testing next year

 

[Stark]

How about all the runs he scored? I hate to say this Stark because you are usually pretty competent when you post but you are spouting ignorant nonsense. Glaus couldn't even carry Bonds Jockstrap and I bet Glaus would be the first to admit it!!!

Again, if you take away all the runs he scored, the outcome would have been the same in every game except game 1. I don't doubt his abilities as a hitter, but if an athlete never scores a clutch run or makes the difference in any game, how can they be considered "great"? Regular season is regular season.

In my book, Elway wasn't great until he won a Superbowl. Jordan, Shaq and Kobe weren't great until they won a championship (and they all were deciding factors in their victories). Bonds is the Dominique Wilkins and Dan Marino of MLB... a great athlete, but he never won it all... and never will.

Game 1: Giants 4, Angels 3 (Bonds 1 RBI off HR in 2nd)
Game 2: Giants 10, Angels 11
Game 3: Giants 4, Angels 10
Game 4: Giants 4, Angels 3 (Bonds draws walks. In 8th inning with score tied, Angels pitch to him and he grounds out. JT Snow and Sanders combine for game winning run)
Game 5: Giants 16, Angels 4 (Bonds goes 3 for 4, 2 runs, 1 RBI. Still, the Giants would have won without his bat)
Game 6: Giants 5, Angels 6 (Barry Bonds misplays a bloop hit, allowing Anderson, the go-ahead run, to take second. Glaus hits a gigantic fly to deep left, where Bonds is giving chase. He won't get there. Glaus has a two-run double that gives the home team a 6-5 lead.
Game 7: Giants 1, Angels 4

Bonds may be a threat to hit a monster HR, but he's just as likely to end up in a Santiago ground ball double play when he's walked. It will be interesting to see if the new Giants manager puts up with Barry's act.

According to everything coming out of Barry's mouth after losing game 7, he DOESN'T EVEN CARE about losing the World Series. I think that says the most about his character.

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Barry Bonds = Stuck up tool

This is a player that has in his contract he must have his own little room with a Big screen TV and chair and nobody else is allowed to use it.

I am glad the Giants lost, just because of Bonds. Why can't he be more like McGuire or most other nice good ball players?

I agree. That's why I wanted Anaheim to win.

 

[poopaskoopa]

but if an athlete never scores a clutch run

I don't know if you've been following how MLB pitchers treat Bonds lately(or for a while, really), in a clutch situation, Bonds gets BB'ed, or earns a BB.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Stark

How about all the runs he scored? I hate to say this Stark because you are usually pretty competent when you post but you are spouting ignorant nonsense. Glaus couldn't even carry Bonds Jockstrap and I bet Glaus would be the first to admit it!!!

Again, if you take away all the runs he scored, the outcome would have been the same in every game except game 1. I don't doubt his abilities as a hitter, but if an athlete never scores a clutch run or makes the difference in any game, how can they be considered "great"? Regular season is regular season.

In my book, Elway wasn't great until he won a Superbowl. Jordan, Shaq and Kobe weren't great until they won a championship (and they all were deciding factors in their victories). Bonds is the Dominique Wilkins and Dan Marino of MLB... a great athlete, but he never won it all... and never will.

Game 1: Giants 4, Angels 3 (Bonds 1 RBI off HR in 2nd)
Game 2: Giants 10, Angels 11
Game 3: Giants 4, Angels 10
Game 4: Giants 4, Angels 3 (Bonds draws walks. In 8th inning with score tied, Angels pitch to him and he grounds out. JT Snow and Sanders combine for game winning run)
Game 5: Giants 16, Angels 4 (Bonds goes 3 for 4, 2 runs, 1 RBI. Still, the Giants would have won without his bat)
Game 6: Giants 5, Angels 6 (Barry Bonds misplays a bloop hit, allowing Anderson, the go-ahead run, to take second. Glaus hits a gigantic fly to deep left, where Bonds is giving chase. He won't get there. Glaus has a two-run double that gives the home team a 6-5 lead.
Game 7: Giants 1, Angels 4

Bonds may be a threat to hit a monster HR, but he's just as likely to end up in a Santiago ground ball double play when he's walked. It will be interesting to see if the new Giants manager puts up with Barry's act.

According to everything coming out of Barry's mouth after losing game 7, he DOESN'T EVEN CARE about losing the World Series. I think that says the most about his character.

Obviously a Dodger fan as you haven't a clue. Hey you can't possibly know everything, you should just be careful when you post an opinion so that you don't come across as ignorant.

BTW, I'm not defending Bonds because I'm a Giants Fan because I am an A's fan. Being from the Bay Area though I am very familiar with Bonds and bercause I am a huge Baseball fan I appreciate his skill and I am very happy that I have had the chance top see the greatest Player of today. All thosw who say he's not a nice guy, what do you have to say about Ted Williams, Joe Dimaggio or Ty Cobb? Those guys were bigger jerks than Bonds ever was or will be. Of course if you had any knowledge of Baseball History you'd already know that.