The Babe was also a helluva pitcher and he played in the dead ball era. His lifetime batting average was .342 so he was much more than just a homerun hitter.
Anyone who disses the Babe is ignorant. Barry should know better. Chalk him up as an another arogant, idiot athlete.
Anyone who disses the Babe is ignorant. Barry should know better. Chalk him up as an another arogant, idiot athlete.
hahahaha, good one. "The Babe was also a helluva pitcher and he played in the dead ball era. " you defeat your own argument. If he pitched during the dead ball era his accomplishments as a pitcher are less impressive. duhh.
besides as i've argued more than once on these boards, apparently he wasn't good enough of a pitcher to remain as a pitcher. why did they put him in the field full time?? because his pitching was INSIGNIFICANT vs his hitting.
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Haven't they since changed the design of baseballs so that they can be thrown faster? So it would then be in part the technical part of the game that's speeded up, not necessarily the talent.
and just what could they have done to the ball to make it THROW faster??
they can make the ball so that it can be HIT farther, but technology won't make the ball throw faster.
Barry Bonds hasn't hit more home runs in a year then any team. He hasn't hit more then twice the number of home runs as the next best player. He hasn't pitched a no hitter.
And yes, you can make a ball that can be thrown faster. You just have to make it more aerodynamic.
And yes, you can make a ball that can be thrown faster. You just have to make it more aerodynamic.
Are you serious? Babe Ruth was probably the best LHP at the time. He even won an ERA title. Pitched nearly 30 straight scoreless innings in the World Series. He probably would have still been a HOF if he stayed as a pitcher.
Yup...that's the truth. Part of moving him to the outfield was to get his bat in the lineup every day, I mean, he was a helluva hitter, the rest lay in his curveball...stuck his tongue out when he threw it, so people started to pick up on that. But the biggest reason was his bat. Don't even compare Bonds to the Babe...c'mon, that's just ignorant.
hehehehe, i'm talking baseballs here not the realm of possibility.
again, IF he was such a great pitcher why did they put him in the field?? DUHHHH, because his BAT was more valuable than his pitching.
why is that such a difficult concept?
Yeah, I don't know why people have to be so disrespectful of history.
Larry Holmes once said Rocky Marciano couldn't carry his jockstrap. Yeah, Rocky was about 5-9 and 190 lbs. Some of these guys don't like playing second fiddle to white athletes, either.
6'2", 215. Needless to say, his lifestyle rarely affected his game.
Conjecture. If Lefty Grove were alive, he'd probably disagree. And women at the time did not pitch better than men.
Which mode of transportation requires more time: a steam-engined train from Grand Central Station to Detroit in 1927 or a flight on a 737 from LaGuardia to Detroit in 2003? By the way, the number of games played by AL teams during the 1920s and 1930s was between 150-154 or 8-12 less than nowadays.
Barry wasn't even born when the average life expectancy for males in this country was 55 years old.
Originally posted by: LeeTJ
hehehehe, i'm talking baseballs here not the realm of possibility.
again, IF he was such a great pitcher why did they put him in the field?? DUHHHH, because his BAT was more valuable than his pitching.
why is that such a difficult concept?
He WAS a great pitcher. You said he was "apparently he wasn't good enough of a pitcher to remain as a pitcher", which is just wrong. It's just that he was a great batter and by putting him in the lineup every single day, it would drive up attendance and thus revenue. Again, he was the best LHP at the time. He would have probably have still made the HOF as a pitcher. The fact that he was also an elite batter doesn't take away his pitching ability.
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: LeeTJ
hehehehe, i'm talking baseballs here not the realm of possibility.
again, IF he was such a great pitcher why did they put him in the field?? DUHHHH, because his BAT was more valuable than his pitching.
why is that such a difficult concept?
He WAS a great pitcher. You said he was "apparently he wasn't good enough of a pitcher to remain as a pitcher", which is just wrong. It's just that he was a great batter and by putting him in the lineup every single day, it would drive up attendance and thus revenue. Again, he was the best LHP at the time. He would have probably have still made the HOF as a pitcher. The fact that he was also an elite batter doesn't take away his pitching ability.
his value to the team as an offensive contributer was MUCH greater than his value to the team as a pitcher. END OF STORY.
EVEN if Barry Bonds COULD throw (and he can't) a 95 mph fastball, would any sane manager take him out of the offense to have him pitch every 5th game?
Of couse his value as a hitter (arguably the best ever) would be better than him as a pitcher (probably still HOF worthy). Your statement in saying that he wasn't good enough to stay as a pitcher are simply wrong. The fact that he was one of baseball's greatest hitters ever doesn't eliminate the fact that he was also a great pitcher. END OF STORY.
People who play the race card all the time seriously need to grow up and look in the mirror... Bonds is indeed a jerkoff, but I'm definitely not one to romanticize baseball history either. Babe was a fat guy who could do no better than a 25hr and .250 hitting DH in today's game.
Where did you get the idea that old time pitchers only threw at 80 mph?
As I recall, Bob Feller had a 100 mph+ fastball.
edit: Actually 107 mph: Bob Feller
As I recall, Bob Feller had a 100 mph+ fastball.
edit: Actually 107 mph: Bob Feller
In his prime, Babe Ruth routinely batted against four Hall of Fame pitchers in the AL that I know of: Lefty Grove, Walter Johnson, Ted Lyons and Red Faber.
Also the point about night games being more difficult is completely wrong. Playing 154 day games through the heat and humidity was very physically demanding. And don't forget the ridiculous amount of doubleheaders they played due to the poor travel.
Originally posted by: SludgeFactory
Also the point about night games being more difficult is completely wrong. Playing 154 day games through the heat and humidity was very physically demanding. And don't forget the ridiculous amount of doubleheaders they played due to the poor travel.
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Some stupid people who know nothing about baseball history in this thread.
If Babe played (in his prime) today, he'd still be the best player in the game. He was not only the best hitter in his time, but possibly the best pitcher as well. Why did they switch him to being a hitter? Duh... what sells tickets and can play everynight?
80mph fast balls? Quit trolling, Red... you knew that was BS.
And talk individual stats all you want. How many times has Bond won the Series? And how many times did Babe? I rest my case.
If Babe played (in his prime) today, he'd still be the best player in the game. He was not only the best hitter in his time, but possibly the best pitcher as well. Why did they switch him to being a hitter? Duh... what sells tickets and can play everynight?
80mph fast balls? Quit trolling, Red... you knew that was BS.
And talk individual stats all you want. How many times has Bond won the Series? And how many times did Babe? I rest my case.
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