Barry Bonds: Congress wasting its time with steroid inquiry... HAHAHAHAAHA

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: joshsquall
To everyone saying Bonds should be banned from baseball and have his records removed:

Link to positive steroid test? Stop believing the bullsh!t that you hear from everyone else. There is no proof that Bonds uses roids.

Did you honestly miss the leaked federal testimony from Bonds? He said he "unknowingly" used anabolic steroids. You don't follow the news much, eh?

Read up.

Bonds told a U.S. grand jury that he used undetectable steroids known as "the cream" and "the clear," which he received from personal trainer Greg Anderson during the 2003 season. According to Bonds, the trainer told him the substances were the nutritional supplement flaxseed oil and a pain-relieving balm for the player's arthritis.

First, that leaked testimony was never confirmed by Bonds/his lawyer.
Second, it wasn't proven that the substances Bond used were actually steroids, just that a BALCO spokesman said they had the same names.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: brian_riendeau

Why should CONGRESS care about baseball? MLB should care, not the U.S. Government.

No one gives a flying fvck about baseball's regulations...thats baseballs problems, not the fvcking federal government

The problem is that MLB does not care, which is how congress got dragged into this in the first place. Sports in general already get to much power in regards too governing themselves. Know what happens if one of us gets caught with illegal steroids? Thats called jail. As a government, someone needs to be concerned that something as prolific is baseball is not letting its players shoot up whenever they want to, since the sport can no govern itself.

No, they don't. Its not the governments duty to ensure private sports organizations are fair. Its entertainment, no one dies or goes broke or anything serious because barry bonds used steroids. Baseball just looks bad. And who gives a fvck, its just a game anyway. You don't like baseballs steroid use policy? Boycott baseball. You pay their bills with advertising you know.

Even if you disagree with me, and want a larger government involvement in your lives...you must admit that this is waste of time, when we've got so many bigger problems that are ignored. Iraq war, totally fvcked up hurricane katrina mess, trade deficit, massive national debt, rising fuel costs, lower value of the dollar, sluggish economy, no real protection against identity theft, rising health care costs...and what is congress in there doing? They're in there trying to get baseball, a GAME that people watch for ENTERTAINMENT to do something about a few of their players using steroids. DON'T WORRY EVERYONE! THE GOVERNMENT IS HERE TO HELP US ALL.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: joshsquall
To everyone saying Bonds should be banned from baseball and have his records removed:

Link to positive steroid test? Stop believing the bullsh!t that you hear from everyone else. There is no proof that Bonds uses roids.

Did you honestly miss the leaked federal testimony from Bonds? He said he "unknowingly" used anabolic steroids. You don't follow the news much, eh?

Read up.

Bonds told a U.S. grand jury that he used undetectable steroids known as "the cream" and "the clear," which he received from personal trainer Greg Anderson during the 2003 season. According to Bonds, the trainer told him the substances were the nutritional supplement flaxseed oil and a pain-relieving balm for the player's arthritis.

So what's he using now? He's still huge and still knocks the hell out of the ball! 3 HR's in only 18 ab's this year.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: habib89
i'm not sure why everyone hates bonds so much.. please explain it to me.. he likes to be private.. he likes to stay away from the media, even though they always go after him.. he may be an asshole, but at least he's not acting like terrell owens or some dickhead like that..

Uh, maybe because he testified that he took steroids and all the while was saying he never did them, just like Palmeiro. That he cheated his way to get in a position to break sacred records like Babe Ruth, as well throw around the race card frequently (for example: "People don't like me b/c I'm a black man breaking a white man's record"). Not exactly a quality human being in my book.

 

[habib89]

he's probably the last person that even needs steroids.. without the juice, he'd still be one of the best players in baseball history.. steriods make you stronger.. but do you think you can hit homeruns if you took them? no.. steriods don't give you more baseball talent.. i don't think anyone can argue that he isn't one of the most talented players ever

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: habib89
i'm not sure why everyone hates bonds so much.. please explain it to me.. he likes to be private.. he likes to stay away from the media, even though they always go after him.. he may be an asshole, but at least he's not acting like terrell owens or some dickhead like that..

Uh, maybe because he testified that he took steroids and all the while was saying he never did them, just like Palmeiro. That he cheated his way to get in a position to break sacred records like Babe Ruth, as well throw around the race card frequently (for example: "People don't like me b/c I'm a black man breaking a white man's record"). Not exactly a quality human being in my book.

The record is held by Hank Aaron though. Ruth's record was broken long ago, so he can stop crying.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: joshsquall
To everyone saying Bonds should be banned from baseball and have his records removed:

Link to positive steroid test? Stop believing the bullsh!t that you hear from everyone else. There is no proof that Bonds uses roids.

Did you honestly miss the leaked federal testimony from Bonds? He said he "unknowingly" used anabolic steroids. You don't follow the news much, eh?

Read up.

Bonds told a U.S. grand jury that he used undetectable steroids known as "the cream" and "the clear," which he received from personal trainer Greg Anderson during the 2003 season. According to Bonds, the trainer told him the substances were the nutritional supplement flaxseed oil and a pain-relieving balm for the player's arthritis.

First, that leaked testimony was never confirmed by Bonds/his lawyer.
Second, it wasn't proven that the substances Bond used were actually steroids, just that a BALCO spokesman said they had the same names.

Why did Giambi apologize, and not say what it was? The leaked testimony is dead on, and Bonds admitted to using the Clear in it. To argue about "names" is hilarious, he admitted it! There's nothing to argue here.

Feds have records of Bonds signing for packages from BALCO as early as 2001 when they started their investigation. Every single athlete tested that was associated with BALCO has used an illegal substance, including HGH, EPO, and the Clear ranging from everyone like Marion Jones to Bill Romanowski to Tim Mongomery (as well as 5 other Olympic athletes) to Gary Sheffield. Either you're very naive or just a Bonds fanboy.

 

[TitanDiddly]

Originally posted by: edro13
I completely agree with him. Why should CONGRESS care about baseball? MLB should care, not the U.S. Government.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: habib89
he's probably the last person that even needs steroids.. without the juice, he'd still be one of the best players in baseball history.. steriods make you stronger.. but do you think you can hit homeruns if you took them? no.. steriods don't give you more baseball talent.. i don't think anyone can argue that he isn't one of the most talented players ever

This just confirmed you know absolutely nothing about anabolic steroids or their effects. You probably think the steroid shots they gave Curt Schilling when his ankle was hurting are the same thing.

 

[brian_riendeau]

No, they don't. Its not the governments duty to ensure private sports organizations are fair.

Private sports organizations are not allowed to break the law.

Its entertainment, no one dies or goes broke or anything serious because barry bonds used steroids.

Many people have died from steroids, typically from overdose at the high school and college level. I knew kids who shot up in high school just to get their tuition paid for by doing well in sports.

Baseball just looks bad. And who gives a fvck, its just a game anyway.

They're in there trying to get baseball, a GAME that people watch for ENTERTAINMENT to do something about a few of their players using steroids. DON'T WORRY EVERYONE! THE GOVERNMENT IS HERE TO HELP US ALL.

Just a game that generates billions in revenue and occupies the afternoons of millions of people around the globe. It is more important that you seem to think.

 

[BlueWeasel]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: habib89
i'm not sure why everyone hates bonds so much.. please explain it to me.. he likes to be private.. he likes to stay away from the media, even though they always go after him.. he may be an asshole, but at least he's not acting like terrell owens or some dickhead like that..

Uh, maybe because he testified that he took steroids and all the while was saying he never did them, just like Palmeiro. That he cheated his way to get in a position to break sacred records like Babe Ruth, as well throw around the race card frequently (for example: "People don't like me b/c I'm a black man breaking a white man's record"). Not exactly a quality human being in my book.

The record is held by Hank Aaron though. Ruth's record was broken long ago, so he can stop crying.

Uh, Ruth hit 714 homeruns and Aaron hit 755. Bonds is still at 706 or so.

 

[91TTZ]

Anyone who is trying to claim that Bonds didn't use roids is just fooling themselves. He used them, there's no doubt about that. I remember making a chart based on the number of homeruns he hit compared to the number of pitches he was thrown (intentional walks not included). Right around 2001, the number skyrocketed. So I'd say that he began taking them around 2000/2001.

Now do I think it's a big deal? No. Just don't fool yourself into thinking he never used them.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: habib89
i'm not sure why everyone hates bonds so much.. please explain it to me.. he likes to be private.. he likes to stay away from the media, even though they always go after him.. he may be an asshole, but at least he's not acting like terrell owens or some dickhead like that..

Uh, maybe because he testified that he took steroids and all the while was saying he never did them, just like Palmeiro. That he cheated his way to get in a position to break sacred records like Babe Ruth, as well throw around the race card frequently (for example: "People don't like me b/c I'm a black man breaking a white man's record"). Not exactly a quality human being in my book.

The record is held by Hank Aaron though. Ruth's record was broken long ago, so he can stop crying.

You're probably not a baseball fan. Breaking the Babe's record is a big deal to purists, and someone as disgusting as Bonds should not hold 2nd place on the all time HR list.

"Because Babe Ruth is one of the greatest baseball players ever, and Babe Ruth ain't black, either," he said. "I'm black. Blacks, we go through a little more. ... I'm not a racist though, but I live in the real world. I'm fine with that."

To reiterate, someone who loves to pull the race card. He did it in his sealed testimony too. And there were times even before that.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: BlueWeasel

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

The record is held by Hank Aaron though. Ruth's record was broken long ago, so he can stop crying.

Uh, Ruth hit 714 homeruns and Aaron hit 755. Bonds is still at 706 or so.

Ruth's record was broken a long time ago by Aaron, who is black, so I don't see what Bonds' point is when he's saying that people are angry at him for breaking a white man's record. It was broken by a black man long ago (1974).

 

[BlueWeasel]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: BlueWeasel

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

The record is held by Hank Aaron though. Ruth's record was broken long ago, so he can stop crying.

Uh, Ruth hit 714 homeruns and Aaron hit 755. Bonds is still at 706 or so.

Uh (mouthbreather), what are you trying to say?

Do I need to repeat myself, corky? Like I said, Ruth's record was broken a long time ago BY AARON, WHO IS BLACK, so I don't see what Bonds' point is when he's saying that people are angry at him for breaking a white man's record. It was broken by a black man long ago.

Nevermind, I just misread your response (the nested quotes threw me off).

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: joshsquall
To everyone saying Bonds should be banned from baseball and have his records removed:

Link to positive steroid test? Stop believing the bullsh!t that you hear from everyone else. There is no proof that Bonds uses roids.

BULLSH1T! In his grand jury testimony, he admitted to using the cream and the clear, and Balco has said that those products contain steroids. The ONLY thing we're not 100% sure about is whether or not he KNEW what was in them.

Don't fvcking kid yourselves, he knew. Professional atheletes don't put things in their bodies if they don't know what they are.

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: PingSpike
No, they don't. Its not the governments duty to ensure private sports organizations are fair. Its entertainment, no one dies or goes broke or anything serious because barry bonds used steroids. Baseball just looks bad. And who gives a fvck, its just a game anyway. You don't like baseballs steroid use policy? Boycott baseball. You pay their bills with advertising you know.

Even if you disagree with me, and want a larger government involvement in your lives...you must admit that this is waste of time, when we've got so many bigger problems that are ignored. Iraq war, totally fvcked up hurricane katrina mess, trade deficit, massive national debt, rising fuel costs, lower value of the dollar, sluggish economy, no real protection against identity theft, rising health care costs...and what is congress in there doing? They're in there trying to get baseball, a GAME that people watch for ENTERTAINMENT to do something about a few of their players using steroids. DON'T WORRY EVERYONE! THE GOVERNMENT IS HERE TO HELP US ALL.

Something in your delivery made me want to disagree with you, but you're absolutely right.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: BlueWeasel

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: BlueWeasel

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

The record is held by Hank Aaron though. Ruth's record was broken long ago, so he can stop crying.

Uh, Ruth hit 714 homeruns and Aaron hit 755. Bonds is still at 706 or so.

Uh (mouthbreather), what are you trying to say?

Do I need to repeat myself, corky? Like I said, Ruth's record was broken a long time ago BY AARON, WHO IS BLACK, so I don't see what Bonds' point is when he's saying that people are angry at him for breaking a white man's record. It was broken by a black man long ago.

Nevermind, I just misread your response (the nested quotes threw me off).

Sorry about the inappropriate response. I edited it.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: joshsquall
To everyone saying Bonds should be banned from baseball and have his records removed:

Link to positive steroid test? Stop believing the bullsh!t that you hear from everyone else. There is no proof that Bonds uses roids.

Did you honestly miss the leaked federal testimony from Bonds? He said he "unknowingly" used anabolic steroids. You don't follow the news much, eh?

Read up.

Bonds told a U.S. grand jury that he used undetectable steroids known as "the cream" and "the clear," which he received from personal trainer Greg Anderson during the 2003 season. According to Bonds, the trainer told him the substances were the nutritional supplement flaxseed oil and a pain-relieving balm for the player's arthritis.

So what's he using now? He's still huge and still knocks the hell out of the ball! 3 HR's in only 18 ab's this year.

Red, you know the effects of HGH are permanent right? Also, you do know that Bonds had the hand eye coordination to make the majors, and was already exceptional Pre-Juice days right?

Also, if a scumbag like Palmeiro could lie on the stand and then take roids, who is to say that Bonds isn't still on it? I wouldn't put it past him or his character... remember, you can cycle it in the offseason and quit before the season starts and still maintain the effects of a monster build and not test positive. The hardest part is getting to that monster level of muscle mass, not maintaining it. Many minor league players will cycle it in the offseason and not take it during the year. Bonds could have used roids earlier in the year to rehab/get big and cycled off so it would be out of his system by now.

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
So what's he using now? He's still huge and still knocks the hell out of the ball! 3 HR's in only 18 ab's this year.

Muscle doesn't just disintegrate when you stop using 'roids. Do you have any idea how steroids work?

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: habib89
he's probably the last person that even needs steroids.. without the juice, he'd still be one of the best players in baseball history.. steriods make you stronger.. but do you think you can hit homeruns if you took them? no.. steriods don't give you more baseball talent.. i don't think anyone can argue that he isn't one of the most talented players ever

Not true. If you don't think being stronger makes you a better hitter (not just a longer hitter, but a better hitter), you're kidding yourself. Being stronger = bat is easier to swing = you can be slower to react and still hit a ball.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Ilmater

Originally posted by: PingSpike
No, they don't. Its not the governments duty to ensure private sports organizations are fair. Its entertainment, no one dies or goes broke or anything serious because barry bonds used steroids. Baseball just looks bad. And who gives a fvck, its just a game anyway. You don't like baseballs steroid use policy? Boycott baseball. You pay their bills with advertising you know.

Even if you disagree with me, and want a larger government involvement in your lives...you must admit that this is waste of time, when we've got so many bigger problems that are ignored. Iraq war, totally fvcked up hurricane katrina mess, trade deficit, massive national debt, rising fuel costs, lower value of the dollar, sluggish economy, no real protection against identity theft, rising health care costs...and what is congress in there doing? They're in there trying to get baseball, a GAME that people watch for ENTERTAINMENT to do something about a few of their players using steroids. DON'T WORRY EVERYONE! THE GOVERNMENT IS HERE TO HELP US ALL.

Something in your delivery made me want to disagree with you, but you're absolutely right.

While the government probably does have higher priorities, nobody can dispute the fact that baseball needed an outside party to come in and regulate its integrity. They should have hired the IOC to do the testing, they are the ones who found the Clear in the first place. Also, their penalties are fierce, you will be banned for a year or more for your first offense, and banned for life for a second.

 

[J Heartless Slick]

Originally posted by: Phokus

WASHINGTON -- In the nation's capital on his first road trip of 2005, Barry Bonds questioned why Congress, the media and fans continue to talk about steroids.

Barry Bonds
Bonds would like everyone to be quiet about steroids -- just like he told people to shush after home run No. 706.

"I think we have other issues in this country to worry about that are a lot more serious. I think you guys should direct your efforts into taking care of that," the San Francisco Giants slugger said Tuesday before facing the Washington Nationals. "Talk about the athletes that are helping Katrina. Ask yourselves how much money y'all personally donated and have helped."

Asked whether Congress was wasting time by looking into steroid use in sports, Bonds responded: "Pretty much, I think so. Yeah."

Several congressional committees have held hearings on drug testing in pro sports, and legislation has been proposed to standardize leagues' drug policies.

"You know what? There are still other issues that are more important," Bonds said. "Right now, people are losing lives, don't have homes, I think that's a little more serious. A lot more serious."

Told of Bonds' comments, Dave Marin, a spokesman for House Government Reform Committee chairman Tom Davis, R-Va., said: "Members of Congress, particularly Tom Davis, can walk and chew gum at the same time."

Congressional investigators from that committee are looking into whether Baltimore Orioles slugger Rafael Palmeiro lied under oath about steroid use and are interviewing other players who know Palmeiro.

Bonds has not been contacted.

"Raffy Palmeiro and I are good friends and we will stay continually good friends. Period. And I will always have respect for him as a person and a player, regardless," Bonds said.

Bonds, booed throughout Tuesday's game, hit his 706th homer in the fourth inning.

As the ball arched toward the stands, fans who moments earlier were booing rose to cheer. Bonds was booed when his name was announced during pregame introductions, booed when he stepped into the on-deck circle, and booed when he went out to play left field.

"I've been tarnished for being in baseball for years and years. There's nothing you guys can write or people can say that's going to fix that. It doesn't matter any more. I go out there and enjoy the game," he said.

It was Bonds' third homer of 2005, and it came in his 18th at-bat. Out all season after three knee operations, he returned to the Giants on Sept. 12.

I mean, i agree it is a waste of time, but seriously, bonds is the LAST guy who should say this. It's like a murder suspect telling the cops to not pay attention to the murder weapon. It makes his guilty @$$ look even worse.

I agree with Bonds. Congress has much more important subjects to spending their time on. But then I am sure it is easier for them to hassle some baseball players compared to balancing the budget, dealing with health care, or finding out how the faith-based money is being spent.

 

[RabidMongoose]

I used to support Bonds, but now with the information out, I think it's pretty clear that he's a cheater. It's a shame since he was already a great and HOF player in the 1990's.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: edro13
I completely agree with him. Why should CONGRESS care about baseball? MLB should care, not the U.S. Government.

Because major league baseball is essentially a government protected monopoly.