Barcelona Prediction Thread

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: Phynaz

Originally posted by: Viditor

BTW, we should look for the reviews that compare the 2 GHz Barcelona to the E5335 Xeon (1333 FSB, 2 GHz)...I do hope that Intel gets one to Anand for the review!

Why?

We should compare AMD's best shipping cpu to Intel's best shipping cpu.

This whole thing about getting a "win" by having a higher ipc is a non-starter.

It's not about getting a "win" for either side...it's about an actual clock for clock comparison.
As long as we can get that base number, it should be easier to extrapolate performance comparisons at other clockspeeds...

 

[Keysplayr]

Things most enthusiasts want to see:

a) Processing power clock for clock with competitor
b) Power consumption and heat output clock for clock with competitor
c) High End comparison, best against competitors best
d) Mobile battery life on lappys
e) Best Bang Per Buck (BBPB)
f) Their favored company CRUSH the competitors offering. (Go Figure)

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Things most enthusiasts want to see:

a) Processing power clock for clock with competitor
b) Power consumption and heat output clock for clock with competitor
c) High End comparison, best against competitors best
d) Mobile battery life on lappys
e) Best Bang Per Buck (BBPB)
f) Their favored company CRUSH the competitors offering. (Go Figure)

LOL...agreed, and well put Keys!

 

[Cogman]

Correct me if Im wrong, but I think that this will be the most Even CPU AMD has release up to date. By that I mean that in the past AMD has been known as a Gaming CPU but not being as good on the encoding level. I think that AMD should see a fair boost to their Encoding capabilities (while seeing a minor increase in gaming apps). Overall, it will be much more efficient at multi-threading then intel's CPU's are. The question is if the Bang for buck will be right.

My guess is that it will be about Par with conroe if not a bit better (5% around about)

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: Cogman
Correct me if Im wrong, but I think that this will be the most Even CPU AMD has release up to date. By that I mean that in the past AMD has been known as a Gaming CPU but not being as good on the encoding level. I think that AMD should see a fair boost to their Encoding capabilities (while seeing a minor increase in gaming apps). Overall, it will be much more efficient at multi-threading then intel's CPU's are. The question is if the Bang for buck will be right.

My guess is that it will be about Par with conroe if not a bit better (5% around about)

Not quite true (at least not for many years). Ever since Opteron was released, AMD has earned a reputation as the best Enterprise server platform for x86.
While the Core2 architecture has definately pushed Intel on top for the 4 core or less server segment (the largest but less profitable segment), AMD is still equal to or greater (in some case much greater) than any other platform when you get over 4 cores on a server, and even if Barcelona had NO speed advantage over current Optys, AMD would still be the leader in this segment.

The reason that AMD had such a rep for gaming is that most desktop real-world benches are based on gaming (because it's usually the most demanding app on the desktop), and that's what most enthusiasts focus on. Core2 has certainly blown away AMD's performance on this, and it remains to be seen how well the K10 architecture does on the desktop (we won't know this until November as Barcelona is server only)

 

[brxndxn]

Barcelona = 100% as fast as 4000 Nintendos and Bruce Lee drinking a Coke...

//though.. I have insider information. That's how I can tell so acurately.

 

[bryanW1995]

5 % faster clock for clock vs penryn at 2.4, scaling up to 15 % faster than penryn at 3.0 ghz.

 

[Roy2001]

Clock to clock, it would be same as Conroe, better in some benchmarks, fall behind in others.

 

[zach0624]

I predict that amd will outperform intel clock for clock like in the athlon xp and 64 days.

Of course I predicted that the colts would lose in the playoffs in the first round last year.

 

[Arkaign]

As late as it is, even with a 20% average ipc advantage (doubtful), Intel can just release 3.6-4.0Ghz parts and walk it out.

Prediction : 5% average IPC advantage, but irrelevant due to low clock speeds. No more AMD in 12 months.

 

[Pwntcomputer]

-5% to +5% clock for clock Conroe. -10%-0% Penryn

I am really rooting for AMD to prove me wrong, but it really looks like a terrible state of affairs for AMD. I guess I will have to wait for Nehalem and sell my DD2 and wait to get DDR3 and 9800. Hopefully AMD can hang on long enough to offer some price competition to Intel.

 

[darkfalz]

I predict slower clock for clock than C2D for most tasks, overclocking will be almost non-existant, and AMD to be bankrupt within 6 months.

 

[biostud]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: biostud
http://www.vnunet.com/tv/?chan...lipid=1386_vnunet_0096

If you don't want to watch the video the scores revealed in the video is:
A 2.0Ghz Barcelona scores an average of SPECfp 78 vs a 2.33GHz Clovertown SPECfp 60, and the AMD system using ~330W while the Intel system use ~360W, giving the AMD system ~25% advantage in raw power and ~30% in Performance-per-watt.

LOL LOL LOL LOl . I see you picked your benchmark . LOL LOL . I didn't bother watching I have heard about it for a year . Intel now has a 50 watt part out. You know. A presentation made by AMD. After the lies they have spewed over the last year only the purest of fan-boys would buy into that How many FB dimms did AMD have running in this video? LOL lOL.
How many of you guys buy servers. they would be the only ones interested in this BS. I bet Tigerton beats 4 socket AMD K10 hands down won't even be close. Dam I hope intel brings out that DDR3 server chipset soon . AMD is really using that memory against intel . But I am sure once Intel helps get it perfected AMD will jump in LOL.

You know I could always link to 4X4 vs. V8 than we could all have a good laugh.Of course to keep it fair we would use 2 c2d 6800 rather than the 6850. or we could for laughs do QC vs 4x4 . I mean if you don't want to do a apples to apples compare just come out and say it. You guys do know that intel has a Xeon cpu for 775 socket right . But na that wouldn't be fair would it?

lay off the caffeine it gives you too much stomach acid, I just linked to a benchmark video. I didn't presented it as the one and only truth...... Jeez

 

[Sylvanas]

I predict +10% faster than Penryn clock for clock and -5-0% overall

 

[ra77]

15-45% clock for clock compared with Penryn...

 

[James007Bond]

Based on 2gz

SPI1M - 27.5
3DM2006 - 4% Quicker than Intel Quad (clock for clock)
Prey - 1% Slower
Hl2 - 2% Slower
Fear 9% quicker

 

[Rusin]

-5 to -10% clock for clock compared with Conroe
-10 to -15% clock for clock compared with Penryn

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: Rusin
-5 to -10% clock for clock compared with Conroe
-10 to -15% clock for clock compared with Penryn

You anticipate K10 perform worse clock-for-clock than the currently fielded K8?

 

[Stoneburner]

Originally posted by: Viditor
clock for clock, 25% faster than Conroe and 20% faster than Penryn...

BTW, we should look for the reviews that compare the 2 GHz Barcelona to the E5335 Xeon (1333 FSB, 2 GHz)...I do hope that Intel gets one to Anand for the review!

do you have inside information? Or are you still basing it on the spec releases? I remember I asked you about barcelona a year ago when Intel kicked AMD in the groin and you were rather confident about AMD's future. What have you learned since then if you dont mind sharing?

 

[Cookie Monster]

This whole clock for clock thing sounds nice and dandy but most are failing to realise intel can clock their chips so much higher than AMD right now. Even with a slight clock for clock advantage K10 might have, it still will be a long way to go til they can match intel.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
This whole clock for clock thing sounds nice and dandy but most are failing to realise intel can clock their chips so much higher than AMD right now. Even with a slight clock for clock advantage K10 might have, it still will be a long way to go til they can match intel.

As others have noted in their comments, the utility of establishing a clock-for-clock performance ranking is to facilitate easier back-of-envelope performance expectations when hypothesizing about future performance timelines.

The limitations of clock-for-clock analyses are known and accepted, you are not adding anything here by restating the obvious (and you appear to be adding a side of arrogance for free).

People who speak of clock-for-clock vernacular know exactly why they are doing it and we find value in doing so. If you do not understand, or disagree with the premise, then feel free to refrain from responding to our posts when we speak of such.

 

[bryanW1995]

(amd fanboy warning siren going crazy)

 

[aigomorla]

you guys want my opinion.

a 3.6-4ghz penryn will most likely own the floor against a barcelona if those leak screenies on the barcelona thread is true.

I wouldnt hold my breath for AMD. If anything they might be the Best Bang Per Dollar in terms of price and power usage. But for pure raw power, i dont think it has a square chance against a penryn.

 

[darkfalz]

You anticipate K10 perform worse clock-for-clock than the currently fielded K8?

Conroe absolutely spanks current X2 processors clock for clock. It takes a 3 GHz mini-heater (6000+) to begin to compare with a 2.4 GHz E6600 and it still loses most of the time.

 

[SerpentRoyal]

Clock-for-clock analysis is a joke. AMD is running pedal-to-the-metal @ 2.4GHz. Intel is cruising at 3.0GHz with room to hit +3.6GHz. Intel doesn't have a 3.6GHz chip now because it doesn't need one to stay ahead of AMD. Intel is throttling their Quad CPUs due to heat. That will change with 45 nm processing. Expect at least 3.6GHz on stock cooler and 4.0GHz with an aftermarket cooler.