Barack Obama: it is no longer essential to kill Osama bin Laden

[First]

That doesn't sound like Bush at all, actually. Probably because Obama didn't actually say what the title of this thread claims. I knew it too, before I even clicked in the thread. Obama just isn't that far gone from reality.

 

[alchemize]

This thread is starting to deliver, but we need a few more prominent leftie posters to truly analyze this

 

[Sinsear]

This is change we can believe in...

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Chris
Obama must be right. He can do no wrong and probably walks on water. When Bush said the same thing he was just an idiot.

Not really, but the fact of the matter is that the government is supposed to represent the people right? Well, a lot of people's feelings on this matter have changed. Many, like myself, want the country to be safe but we could care less beyond that. As long as it is safe, I don't care if Bin Laden gets hunted down and killed or not. I can't say I felt the same way 7 years ago. No one here is in a position to decide for certain whether or not it is safe with him alive so we have no choice, but to rely on our government to inform us. Sucks, but what can we do?

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: Budmantom
Barrack Hussein Obama doesn't want to kill Osama Bin Laden....... what a surprise.....

Barack Obama -

My preference obviously would be to capture or kill him," he said

Obviously you need to work on your reading comprehension and put it before your nasty political bias.

 

[alchemize]

Value-added bump just in a case a few missed this thread.

In other news..."old boss sounds like the new boss"...

Sun-Times: Journalists Being Shut Out by Obama

 

[Elias824]

Indeed it dose sound like bush, but then again last election I was surprised how much both of the parties really sounded alike in general, and not in a good way. That's why I voted 3rd party.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: alchemize
Value-added bump just in a case a few missed this thread.

In other news..."old boss sounds like the new boss"...

Sun-Times: Journalists Being Shut Out by Obama

Black Bush, Imperial presidency, whatever you want to call it - we are not going to get "change" for the better and certainly not a populist.:thumbsdown: I saw this a mile away when he spoke - all emotion seemed fake and contrived and everything canned.

 

[BigDH01]

What's the big deal about this? We all know (and knew) that any presidential candidate was going to have to appear tough on terrorism, and especially bin Laden. Now that one of those candidates got elected and briefed, the tone changed. I'm guessing it's for the same reason that Bush's tone changed. The administrations were probably told one of the following:

1) Osama is likely dead and it is extremely unlikely his body will ever be recovered.
2) Osama is alive but the intelligence community basically has no idea where he is.

Obama, Bush, McCain, etc, are politicians above all. When they learn that they can't deliver on a statement, do they admit this or revise their statement?

 

[dwell]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Black Bush, Imperial presidency, whatever you want to call it - we are not going to get "change" for the better and certainly not a populist.:thumbsdown: I saw this a mile away when he spoke - all emotion seemed fake and contrived and everything canned.

Just sitting back on a lawn chair awaiting the inevitable Obama-backlash. The way people have been talking you would think Obama is the second coming. As with all hype it's going to come crashing down when they discover the real package does not live up to the marketing. Shit's not going to be pretty, especially since we have to do the PC tap dance because he's the first black president and criticizing automatically makes you a racist in some people's minds.

 

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: Chris

Originally posted by: Zebo
Black Bush, Imperial presidency, whatever you want to call it - we are not going to get "change" for the better and certainly not a populist.:thumbsdown: I saw this a mile away when he spoke - all emotion seemed fake and contrived and everything canned.

Just sitting back on a lawn chair awaiting the inevitable Obama-backlash. The way people have been talking you would think Obama is the second coming. As with all hype it's going to come crashing down when they discover the real package does not live up to the marketing. Shit's not going to be pretty, especially since we have to do the PC tap dance because he's the first black president and criticizing automatically makes you a racist in some people's minds.

Being an obfuscating fascist spewing Goebbels-like propaganda does not make one a racist.

"My preference obviously would be to capture or kill him," he said. "But if we have so tightened the noose that he's in a cave somewhere and can't even communicate with his operatives then we will meet our goal of protecting America."

His comments, in a CBS interview, represent a significant watering down of the "dead or alive" policy ...

I'd say 'dead or alive' was 'watered-down' when we invaded Iraq ...

 

[dwell]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Being an obfuscating fascist spewing Goebbels-like propaganda does not make one a racist.

Godwin's Law? Not being on hopium makes you a fascist now? Really? Really?!? LOL.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Chris

Originally posted by: Zebo
Black Bush, Imperial presidency, whatever you want to call it - we are not going to get "change" for the better and certainly not a populist.:thumbsdown: I saw this a mile away when he spoke - all emotion seemed fake and contrived and everything canned.

Just sitting back on a lawn chair awaiting the inevitable Obama-backlash. The way people have been talking you would think Obama is the second coming. As with all hype it's going to come crashing down when they discover the real package does not live up to the marketing. Shit's not going to be pretty, especially since we have to do the PC tap dance because he's the first black president and criticizing automatically makes you a racist in some people's minds.

The way the right has been talking you'd think the left expected Obama to be the second coming. Minor difference.

The left expects a much stronger degree of bi-partisanship from the top. Check.
The left expects competent appointments. Check.
The left expects, understands and appreciates nuanced positions given the complexity of the issues we face, and a president capable of understanding those complexities. Check.
The left expects the international community to recognize we have opted for a change. Check.
The left expects an appreciation and endorsement of science and logic over dogma. Check.
The left expects Obama to fuck up every now and then since we know he's human even if the right thinks the left has a Obamessiah-complex.

As to being called a racist for criticizing Obama, don't make a racist slam and you won't be called a racist. Pretty simple. If you disagree with his picking Hillary for SoS, say "I think she is unqualified" and not "those people sure do love them ugly white women." Not that difficult.

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: jonks
The way the right has been talking you'd think the left expected Obama to be the second coming. Minor difference.

The left expects a much stronger degree of bi-partisanship from the top. Check.
The left expects competent appointments. Check.
The left expects, understands and appreciates nuanced positions given the complexity of the issues we face, and a president capable of understanding those complexities. Check.
The left expects the international community to recognize we have opted for a change. Check.
The left expects an appreciation and endorsement of science and logic over dogma. Check.
The left expects Obama to fuck up every now and then since we know he's human even if the right thinks the left has a Obamessiah-complex.

As to being called a racist for criticizing Obama, don't make a racist slam and you won't be called a racist. Pretty simple. If you disagree with his picking Hillary for SoS, say "I think she is unqualified" and not "those people sure do love them ugly white women." Not that difficult.

good post :thumbsup: QFT

 

[smokeyjoe]

"My preference obviously would be to capture or kill him," he said. "But if we have so tightened the noose that he's in a cave somewhere and can't even communicate with his operatives then we will meet our goal of protecting America." - copied from the article in the OP.

Assuming that the tape really is bin Laden.. if he can manage to get an audio tape out to the whole world, what makes Obama think he can't communicate in anyway with his operatives?

On another note.. I don't peruse these political forums very much, but I find it funny how most of these threads end up being "you're a liberal" vs. "you're a conservative" vs. "you leftist nut!" vs. "you appleheaded neocon!". As a country it seems we are so divided racially, socially and politically that we can never talk about any common ideals that might actually work if we gave them some prolonged discussion without all the bullshit. I could be wrong about this forum though, I haven't been reading for that long..

That's my message of peace for the day.. but seriously, my earlier question about bin Laden seems pretty obvious, no?

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: Budmantom
Barrack Hussein Obama doesn't want to kill Osama Bin Laden....... what a surprise.....

And yet another troll post from Budman

 

[Mani]

Sounds pragmatic to me. If indeed Osama can't even be communicating with his own operatives, he is a non-threat and we shouldn't be pouring resources into pursuing him when there are other more imminent dangers to our national security.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

I agree with what Obama says about OBL and I agreed with Bush that he really was no major concern once we had him hiding away like a scared little bitch. Making OBL run and hide has proven that all his bluster is really nothing more than that - big talk from someone who has demonstrated himself to be a wussy.

Of course the true partisans in here will rag on President one while giving a pass to the other. That's all this thread is about really, being a partisan tool. It ultimately has nothing to do with OBL.

 

[smokeyjoe]

My point is if nothing is preventing OBL from distributing tapes to be broadcast to the world, what is preventing him from communicating with his own operatives? Which henceforth would still deem him as a threat, according to Obama.

 

[alien42]

Originally posted by: smokeyjoe
My point is if nothing is preventing OBL from distributing tapes to be broadcast to the world, what is preventing him from communicating with his own operatives? Which henceforth would still deem him as a threat, according to Obama.

is it really that difficult to get a VHS tape to Al Jazeera? comparing that to the communications of an underground network spread over a large area is absurd.

 

[smokeyjoe]

Originally posted by: alien42

Originally posted by: smokeyjoe
My point is if nothing is preventing OBL from distributing tapes to be broadcast to the world, what is preventing him from communicating with his own operatives? Which henceforth would still deem him as a threat, according to Obama.

is it really that difficult to get a VHS tape to Al Jazeera? comparing that to the communications of an underground network spread over a large area is absurd.

I couldn't tell you if it is difficult or not.. I bet I could make up some scenarios where it is both very hard and very difficult. If OBL can hand a tape to someone and have it delivered to Al Jazeera, I think it is at least plausible that he can relay instructions in some form and through some means to operatives in the Middle East and beyond.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Obama's only threat is being a figurehead to his worshipers. Having the US make him run and hide till his dying day demonstrates to his followers exactly how impotent he really is. If we killed him he'd instantly become a martyr. If we captured him his followers would rally to his cause. If dies in some cave, hiding away until his dying day, he ultimately accomplishes nothing but being a dead man who once talked a big game but failed to back it up.

 

[dwell]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Obama's only threat is being a figurehead to his worshipers. Having the US make him run and hide till his dying day demonstrates to his followers exactly how impotent he really is. If we killed him he'd instantly become a martyr. If we captured him his followers would rally to his cause. If dies in some cave, hiding away until his dying day, he ultimately accomplishes nothing but being a dead man who once talked a big game but failed to back it up.

Do we really believe OBL is hiding in a cave? He's almost certainly a guest of state in some anti-US nation.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Chris

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Obama's only threat is being a figurehead to his worshipers. Having the US make him run and hide till his dying day demonstrates to his followers exactly how impotent he really is. If we killed him he'd instantly become a martyr. If we captured him his followers would rally to his cause. If dies in some cave, hiding away until his dying day, he ultimately accomplishes nothing but being a dead man who once talked a big game but failed to back it up.

Do we really believe OBL is hiding in a cave? He's almost certainly a guest of state in some anti-US nation.

Doubtful. If it were the case, we would find out and proceed to kick the crap out of them. Even the most vehemently anti-US nation wouldn't be so foolish as to take that risk.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: alien42

Originally posted by: smokeyjoe
My point is if nothing is preventing OBL from distributing tapes to be broadcast to the world, what is preventing him from communicating with his own operatives? Which henceforth would still deem him as a threat, according to Obama.

is it really that difficult to get a VHS tape to Al Jazeera? comparing that to the communications of an underground network spread over a large area is absurd.

If he can get a tape deliverd, he can get his instructions to AQ delivered.

Fern