Barack Hussein Obama: Whiner-in-Chief?

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OrByte

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Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: Mani
Originally posted by: bfdd
Originally posted by: Mani
It's pretty revealing when you righties try to attack Obama from the left. Shows that your issues with him have little to do with his politics. Not that it wasn't obvious otherwise.

While that may be the case, I personally see it more of an attack on the people. Why did Bush get slammed for this constantly, but Obama is not? They have the same reasons for inaction and to me they are good enough reasons. I don't really have a problem with the inaction, but those who do pretty much give Obama a pass for it.

Bush's situation is not even remotely comparable to Obama's on this issue. If Obama were in power when the disaster actually happened and completely mishandled the response the way Bush did, he would be subject to legitimate criticism as well. Let's face it - if Obama committed dollars toward Katrina relief at this point, people like the OP would be posting about how Obama is expanding government spending on questionable causes while the economy is hurting, Rush would be saying Obama's helping "his peeps" at the expense of the rest of the country, etc.

OK...so lets get this straight. The fact that NOLA had abysmal relief effort, and little federalk funding, is because Bush fucked it up, but NOW its STILL Bush's fault relief funds and progress have STILL been abysmal because....of the constitution?

Explain please.

I'm sorry but the argument that the Obama administration isn't doing enough for NOLA just rings of hollow partisanship.

Where is the outrage coming from? When bush was in charge all the partisan righties were outraged at NOLA local governments...so now you are all outraged at Obama and the fed admin?

You guys are looking really silly.
 

piasabird

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All Homeowners are required to carry their own insurance. Living in a flood prone area it is kind of stupid not to have flood insurance. This is typical for all areas that have been flooded. The areas from the Mississippi flood of 93 know all about this. You can not just rebuild an entire city in a few years. It is very stupid to rebuild a low lying flooded region.
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: blackangst1

Youre a fucking sock puppet of the left Harvey, incapable of intelligent thought. Are you really tying Katrinas to Iraq? Fucking tool. Where's your copy/paste for Obama for failing to do what Bush failed to do?

Youre a real piece of work.

Funny how no one has actually addressed the OP.

Funny how you're another of the reading challenged children your thankfully EX-Traitor In Chief left behind. Since you probably haven't gotten to the page in the manual about using the "Back" button, either, I'll repost what I said in direct response to the OP.

That doesn't let them off the hook for the catastrophy that was (and remains) the aftermath Katrina. Here's a decent summary of who failed to do what and when.

Katrina Report Spreads Blame
Homeland Security, Chertoff Singled Out

By Spencer S. Hsu
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, February 12, 2006

Hurricane Katrina exposed the U.S. government's failure to learn the lessons of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, as leaders from President Bush down disregarded ample warnings of the threat to New Orleans and did not execute emergency plans or share information that would have saved lives, according to a blistering report by House investigators.

A draft of the report, to be released publicly Wednesday, includes 90 findings of failures at all levels of government, according to a senior investigation staffer who requested anonymity because the document is not final. Titled "A Failure of Initiative," it is one of three separate reviews by the House, Senate and White House that will in coming weeks dissect the response to the nation's costliest natural disaster.

The 600-plus-page report lays primary fault with the passive reaction and misjudgments of top Bush aides, singling out Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, the Homeland Security Operations Center and the White House Homeland Security Council, according to a 60-page summary of the document obtained by The Washington Post. Regarding Bush, the report found that "earlier presidential involvement could have speeded the response" because he alone could have cut through all bureaucratic resistance.

The report, produced by an 11-member House select committee of Republicans chaired by Rep. Thomas M. Davis III (R-Va.), proposes few specific changes. But it is an unusual compendium of criticism by the House GOP, which generally has not been aggressive in its oversight of the administration.

The report portrays Chertoff, who took the helm of the department six months before the storm, as detached from events. It contends he switched on the government's emergency response systems "late, ineffectively or not at all," delaying the flow of federal troops and materiel by as much as three days.

The White House did not fully engage the president or "substantiate, analyze and act on the information at its disposal," failing to confirm the collapse of New Orleans's levee system on Aug. 29, the day of Katrina's landfall, which led to catastrophic flooding of the city of 500,000 people.

On the ground, Federal Emergency Management Agency director Michael D. Brown, who has since resigned, FEMA field commanders and the U.S. military's commanding general set up rival chains of command. The Coast Guard, which alone rescued nearly half of 75,000 people stranded in New Orleans, flew nine helicopters and two airplanes over the city that first day, but eyewitness reconnaissance did not reach official Washington before midnight.

At the same time, weaknesses identified by Sept. 11 investigators -- poor communications among first responders, a shortage of qualified emergency personnel and lack of training and funding -- doomed a response confronted by overwhelming demands for help.

"If 9/11 was a failure of imagination then Katrina was a failure of initiative. It was a failure of leadership," the report's preface states. "In this instance, blinding lack of situational awareness and disjointed decision making needlessly compounded and prolonged Katrina's horror."

Chertoff spokesman Russ Knocke said, "every ounce of authority" and "100 percent of everything that could be pre-staged was pre-staged" by the federal government before landfall once the president signed emergency disaster declarations on Aug. 27. Brown had "all authority" to make decisions and requests, and his "willful insubordination . . . was a significant problem" for Chertoff, Knocke said.

White House spokesman Trent Duffy said Bush had full confidence in his homeland security team, both appointed and career. "The president was involved from beginning to end," implementing emergency powers before the storm and taking responsibility afterward, Duffy said.

Duffy objected to a leaked draft of an unpublished report, and said the White House is completing its own study. "The president is less interested in yesterday, and more interested with today and tomorrow," he said, "so that we can be better prepared for next time."

Katrina happened on Bush's watch. It was most definitely the responsiblity of his adminstration to lead the rescue and recovery efforts, but it is Bush's responsiblity because his administration failed so dismally at dealing with it, as noted in the article and the report to which it refers.

Obama has been President for less than a year, and his problem is dealing with the fuster cluck the Bushwhackos left him. He can be judged only for how he deals with the mess he was handed.

Fear No Evil posted this dialog between Obama and a member of the audience;

Q: It's a man's turn. Gabriel from New Orleans, FEMA reimbursements. Delgado largest vocational school had to turn away 1500 students not enough to cover. Without full service hospital for last four years. "I expected as much from the Bush Administration but why are we still being nickle and dimed in our recovery?"

A: Working as hard and quickly as we can. You mentioned Charity Hospital. Committed to working with city and state for world class health in New Orleans. Complication between state, city, feds. I wish I could write a check

Crowd: Why not?

There's this whole thing about the constitution and congress. Everyone will attack you for spending money unless you're spending it on them, you notice that? (laughter). Sprung loose 1.4 billion that had been held up for years. May not sound like a lot to you but it's real money. Talks about his team working, by the time my term is over you guys are going to look back and say this was a responsible administration...

From this, he tried to draw an inane parallel between Obama's statement about what he and his administration can do, unilaterally, and what was done by the Bushwhackos since Katrina happened in 2005.

I posted an article discussing a thorough review and report from 2006 by an 11-member House select committee of Republicans chaired by Rep. Thomas M. Davis III (R-Va.) that assigned fault to many people and agencies, not just the Bush adminstration. Quoting from the article:

The 600-plus-page report lays primary fault with the passive reaction and misjudgments of top Bush aides, singling out Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, the Homeland Security Operations Center and the White House Homeland Security Council

Obama cited Constitutional constraints on what he and his adminstration could do unilaterally and the shared responsiblities for dealing with the matter. The report lays fault in many directions, including the failure by members of the Bush adminstration and others to be prepared for any such emergency BEFORE the fact.

That failure predates the Bush administration so there's plenty of fault to go around for previous administrations, as well, but I'm not going to waste time documenting that entire history. If it means enough to you, do your own homework, and post it on up.

Obama's statement that the Constitution prevents him and his administration from taking decisive action, but it's hardly as complete an answer as he could provide if he were writing the report I cited.

I cited the report as a DIRECT response to Fear No Evil's bogus premise that somehow, Obama was trying to avoid taking personal responsibility for dealing with the problem in ways George W. Bush wasn't.

Don't blame me for your inablity to comprehend those facts or the English language. :roll:
 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: Mani
Originally posted by: bfdd
Originally posted by: Mani
It's pretty revealing when you righties try to attack Obama from the left. Shows that your issues with him have little to do with his politics. Not that it wasn't obvious otherwise.

While that may be the case, I personally see it more of an attack on the people. Why did Bush get slammed for this constantly, but Obama is not? They have the same reasons for inaction and to me they are good enough reasons. I don't really have a problem with the inaction, but those who do pretty much give Obama a pass for it.

Bush's situation is not even remotely comparable to Obama's on this issue. If Obama were in power when the disaster actually happened and completely mishandled the response the way Bush did, he would be subject to legitimate criticism as well. Let's face it - if Obama committed dollars toward Katrina relief at this point, people like the OP would be posting about how Obama is expanding government spending on questionable causes while the economy is hurting, Rush would be saying Obama's helping "his peeps" at the expense of the rest of the country, etc.

OK...so lets get this straight. The fact that NOLA had abysmal relief effort, and little federalk funding, is because Bush fucked it up, but NOW its STILL Bush's fault relief funds and progress have STILL been abysmal because....of the constitution?

Explain please.

I'm sorry but the argument that the Obama administration isn't doing enough for NOLA just rings of hollow partisanship.

Where is the outrage coming from? When bush was in charge all the partisan righties were outraged at NOLA local governments...so now you are all outraged at Obama and the fed admin?

You guys are looking really silly.

The people in the article sure care, dont they? I personally couldnt care less. But you still cant really answer the question though ;)
 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: Harvey

Don't blame me for your inablity to comprehend those facts or the English language. :roll:

Im not :) Im blaming you for failing to see Bush's hands were tied by the constitution. But I expect nothing less from you.
 

OrByte

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Originally posted by: blackangst1

The people in the article sure care, don't they? I personally couldn't care less. But you still cant really answer the question though ;)

answer a question...and feed into the silliness?

no thanks.

continue with the faux outrage. enjoy!
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Harvey

Don't blame me for your inablity to comprehend those facts or the English language. :roll:

Im not :) Im blaming you for failing to see Bush's hands were tied by the constitution. But I expect nothing less from you.

Read the damned report, or at least the article, before you continue to prove your functional illiteracy. At least, you'll understand what you're trying to lie about. :roll:
 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Harvey

Don't blame me for your inablity to comprehend those facts or the English language. :roll:

Im not :) Im blaming you for failing to see Bush's hands were tied by the constitution. But I expect nothing less from you.

Read the damned report, or at least the article, before you continue to prove your functional illiteracy. At least, you'll understand what you're trying to lie about. :roll:

I read it. His hands were tied. And as you mentioned the problem itself goes back to before Bush.

*shrug* no matter. Like I said, I wouldnt care of NOLA slipped into the Gulf. Its just simply one more thing that is A-OK for Obama to do/get away with that was outrageous when Bush did it.
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Harvey

Read the damned report, or at least the article, before you continue to prove your functional illiteracy. At least, you'll understand what you're trying to lie about. :roll:

I read it. His hands were tied. And as you mentioned the problem itself goes back to before Bush.

... who had three years of his adminstration to consider preparing for it or any other severe emergency before the fact and whose administration failed so dismally to use the resources at hand when it hit... as opposed to... say nine months.

*shrug* no matter. Like I said, I wouldnt care of NOLA slipped into the Gulf. Its just simply one more thing that is A-OK for Obama to do/get away with that was outrageous when Bush did it.

Shrug if you wish. The larger point is only that Fear No Evil's OP is just another lame ass attempt to heap shit on Obama when no one was even discussing the Bush administrations' failures before he raised the issue.

Of course, I don't have a subscription to World Net Daily or other sources for wingnut talking points. Maybe that's where he got that particular spur up his ass. :laugh:
 

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New Orleans was allowed to drown so real estate speculators could snatch the land up dirt cheap. It's that simple.
 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Harvey

Read the damned report, or at least the article, before you continue to prove your functional illiteracy. At least, you'll understand what you're trying to lie about. :roll:

I read it. His hands were tied. And as you mentioned the problem itself goes back to before Bush.

... who had three years of his adminstration to consider preparing for it or any other severe emergency before the fact and whose administration failed so dismally to use the resources at hand when it hit... as opposed to... say nine months.

*shrug* no matter. Like I said, I wouldnt care of NOLA slipped into the Gulf. Its just simply one more thing that is A-OK for Obama to do/get away with that was outrageous when Bush did it.

Shrug if you wish. The larger point is only that Fear No Evil's OP is just another lame ass attempt to heap shit on Obama when no one was even discussing the Bush administrations' failures before he raised the issue.

Of course, I don't have a subscription to World Net Daily or other sources for wingnut talking points. Maybe that's where he got that particular spur up his ass. :laugh:

Im not surprised you think that is the larger point. Clueless.

Anyway, thanks for the dialogue. Its like trying to discuss equality with a high ranking member of the Third Reich.
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: blackangst1

Anyway, thanks for the dialogue. Its like trying to discuss equality with a high ranking member of the Third Reich.

That's OK. Thanks for the gratuitous, irrelevant nazi reference.

:lips: my (_!_)
 

umbrella39

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Originally posted by: JKing106
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Originally posted by: Robor
FNE whines about Obama. Again. Shocking.

Here ya go, troll... :cookie:

Maybe I'll get a Nobel Peace Prize?
Or a reach around from Rush


Haha. From the way he whines, I pretty much figured FNE for a bottom.

Yep, if ever there were a catcher...
 

Fear No Evil

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Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: JKing106
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Originally posted by: Robor
FNE whines about Obama. Again. Shocking.

Here ya go, troll... :cookie:

Maybe I'll get a Nobel Peace Prize?
Or a reach around from Rush


Haha. From the way he whines, I pretty much figured FNE for a bottom.

Yep, if ever there were a catcher...

I'm not sure what the left's preoccupation with making gay jokes is. But I guess we've learned bigotry is OK as long as its directed against a conservative. Its not like Obama has does anything but spit in the face of gay people anyway.
 

Patranus

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Why should the federal government pay for the rebuilding of New Orleans. It seems like the funds should come from the state/city or insurance companies if the property owner had the proper insurance.

How is the federal government justifying the rebuilding of New Orleans?
 

Mani

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Originally posted by: blackangst1
Originally posted by: Mani

Bush's situation is not even remotely comparable to Obama's on this issue. If Obama were in power when the disaster actually happened and completely mishandled the response the way Bush did, he would be subject to legitimate criticism as well. Let's face it - if Obama committed dollars toward Katrina relief at this point, people like the OP would be posting about how Obama is expanding government spending on questionable causes while the economy is hurting, Rush would be saying Obama's helping "his peeps" at the expense of the rest of the country, etc.

OK...so lets get this straight. The fact that NOLA had abysmal relief effort, and little federalk funding, is because Bush fucked it up, but NOW its STILL Bush's fault relief funds and progress have STILL been abysmal because....of the constitution?

Explain please.

First, explain to me where I made that argument. My point in this thread was how disingenuous and frankly stupid it is for the right to try to attack Obama on this issue.