Bank loans

BoberFett

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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I see it claimed repeatedly in this forum that nobody can borrow right now because no banks are lending, regardless of credit rating.

So let's see who has actually tried to get a loan and who is just repeating talking points.

This is hardly scientific, but let's see it.
 

OCGuy

Lifer
Jul 12, 2000
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There are plenty of people getting loans. The only difference now is that you have to have good credit, and a good DTI ratio.
 

Fern

Elite Member
Sep 30, 2003
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Well, I haven't tried to borrow but whenever any of my (unused as of yet) Lines of Credit expire the banks automatically send someone over to renew them (they need my signature).

So in a way, I'm getting 'new' loans now (last one was about 2 weeks ago).

My FICO score is above 700.

Fern
 

alchemize

Lifer
Mar 24, 2000
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It was last year (mortgage), and I had to jump through quite a few hoops, even with great DTI and great credit score.

I have about 225K in revolving lines, none of those have been drawn back (yet).
 

sactoking

Diamond Member
Sep 24, 2007
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My wife and I applied for and got a mortgage. My FICO is ~720 and hers is 690. We were approved for the loan even though the lender uses an average of the 3 credit scores and my average was 698 and hers was 601.

Not sure why the non-FICO scores were so low. I'm waiting for her annual credit report to come available so I can see if the agencies have erroneous information.
 

OCGuy

Lifer
Jul 12, 2000
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Originally posted by: sactoking
My wife and I applied for and got a mortgage. My FICO is ~720 and hers is 690. We were approved for the loan even though the lender uses an average of the 3 credit scores and my average was 698 and hers was 601.

Not sure why the non-FICO scores were so low. I'm waiting for her annual credit report to come available so I can see if the agencies have erroneous information.

Odd, they usually use the lowest-middle score from both borrowers.

Anyway, they should have given you a copy of the reports if you asked.
 

Aimster

Lifer
Jan 5, 2003
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Im about to apply for a mortgage and I have 55k in student loan debt. Let's see how it goes :p
 

sactoking

Diamond Member
Sep 24, 2007
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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Odd, they usually use the lowest-middle score from both borrowers.

Anyway, they should have given you a copy of the reports if you asked.

The approval cam through without word on what the scores were. We found out after the fact that she had two reporting so low. At that point I didn't press for copies, I had other things on my mind, like moving.

The only thing I can think of is a medical collection she allegedly had about a year ago. She was sick and went to an "Urgent Care" location. They told her they took her insurance and, even if the claim was rejected, their cash patient cost was $80. A month later we got a notice that they didn't contract with her insurance and got a bill for $300. Enclosed was a notice that she signed stating we were responsible for charges even if insurance rejects them (which I knew she would be).

Being more..... confident than she is, I called the medical office. I told the office manager that we were quoted a price and billed something different. She told me rather rudely that she could not discuss my wife's medical care or billing with me. That was a BS copout, since I'm on her HIPAA waiver.

So, I took the liberty of drafting a letter to the office manager. In the letter I clearly laid out that they lied. I also noted that the CPT code they used, 99243, was excessive to the treatment rendered. A 99241 was much more appropriate for the care given.

The office manager responded with another letter stating that the bill was ours to pay and that the 99243 was correct. She alleged that seeing a nurse practitioner was enough to code the -3 even though the main components were not met.

I took the time to respond and noted that Nevada state law recognizes nurse practitioners as nurses, not doctors. I was kind enough to provide the specific statute for her use. I also let her know that I had reported her to the AMA for CPT inflation. I enclosed a check for $30 (which was the amount left due on the quoted price after $50 was paid the day of the visit). I also wrote in the letter that cashing the check was express agreement to settle the dispute for $30 and constituted a waiver of all further claim against my wife, myself, our heirs, executors, estates, etc. The check was cashed 3 weeks later.

A month later we heard from a collections company. I sent the collections company a nice letter saying "Please see the enclosed correspondence with 'Urgent Care' and cleared check. As you can see, not only did 'Urgent Care' commit billing fraud, but they have settled for $30. If you purchased this alleged debt from them, they may have perpetrated another fraud against you too." I never heard from them again.

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OCGuy

Lifer
Jul 12, 2000
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Originally posted by: sactoking
SNIP

That would have been something that I tackled right away, because the difference in rate/price for loans in the 6XX and 7XX credit score range is rather large.

Anyway, good luck with that. It seems like you have a rather good case if there is a mixup. :thumbsup:
 

StageLeft

No Lifer
Sep 29, 2000
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Have not tried. Thinking about financing my house but I doubt my non-existent equity will make the proposition attractive enough to me and a lender to really bother.

The only loan I have that could be cut back is my HELOC, but since it's maxed and the interest rate on it is something like 2.5% or something crazy, I am not paying it down and they have no room to bring its limit down anyway.
 

sactoking

Diamond Member
Sep 24, 2007
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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: sactoking
SNIP

That would have been something that I tackled right away, because the difference in rate/price for loans in the 6XX and 7XX credit score range is rather large.

Anyway, good luck with that. It seems like you have a rather good case if there is a mixup. :thumbsup:

It was FHA, so the score didn't matter so long as we qualified.
 

Descartes

Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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In the past two months, I have:

1) Secured additional credit for the business.
2) Bought a car at 1.9%
3) Refinanced my house at 4.675%

FICO > 700
 

Genx87

Lifer
Apr 8, 2002
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Tried to refinance. Not going to happen. No banks want to work with me due to the extreme depreciation on my home.

My score is near 800.

 

OCGuy

Lifer
Jul 12, 2000
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Originally posted by: Genx87
Tried to refinance. Not going to happen. No banks want to work with me due to the extreme depreciation on my home.

My score is near 800.


Are you in a Fannie/FHA/VA loan? Or was it one of those private ALT-A or subprime loans?

If it is Fannie, there is a program coming out for people who owe up to 105% of the home's value with no MI.
 

Genx87

Lifer
Apr 8, 2002
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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: Genx87
Tried to refinance. Not going to happen. No banks want to work with me due to the extreme depreciation on my home.

My score is near 800.


Are you in a Fannie/FHA/VA loan? Or was it one of those private ALT-A or subprime loans?

If it is Fannie, there is a program coming out for people who owe up to 105% of the home's value with no MI.

It is through USBank and Fannie Mae backs it. Not really sure what that means. I awaiting on clarification on what that housing act does for me. Apparently the banks are waiting on guidlines from the govt. It is really my only hope to get out from this Arm and get into a fixed. I cant pay down my loan fast enough. The depreciation is too much.
 

StageLeft

No Lifer
Sep 29, 2000
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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: Genx87
Tried to refinance. Not going to happen. No banks want to work with me due to the extreme depreciation on my home.

My score is near 800.


Are you in a Fannie/FHA/VA loan? Or was it one of those private ALT-A or subprime loans?

If it is Fannie, there is a program coming out for people who owe up to 105% of the home's value with no MI.

It is through USBank and Fannie Mae backs it. Not really sure what that means. I awaiting on clarification on what that housing act does for me. Apparently the banks are waiting on guidlines from the govt. It is really my only hope to get out from this Arm and get into a fixed. I cant pay down my loan fast enough. The depreciation is too much.
Your arm rate must be pretty good right now, though...

 

Genx87

Lifer
Apr 8, 2002
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It hasnt come up for its first change. It is 4 7/8ths and is due in July 2010. I have this feeling with all the money being pumped into the economy inflation will be present by next summer and I may see a rate bump. I want to beat the inflation and get into a fixed at a similar rate. But my timing was terribad by purchasing in July 05. I am paying about 50% higher than required each month on my mortgage in an effort to reduce the loan but simply cant keep up with depreciation.
 

sciwizam

Golden Member
Oct 22, 2004
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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: Genx87
Tried to refinance. Not going to happen. No banks want to work with me due to the extreme depreciation on my home.

My score is near 800.


Are you in a Fannie/FHA/VA loan? Or was it one of those private ALT-A or subprime loans?

If it is Fannie, there is a program coming out for people who owe up to 105% of the home's value with no MI.

It is through USBank and Fannie Mae backs it. Not really sure what that means. I awaiting on clarification on what that housing act does for me. Apparently the banks are waiting on guidlines from the govt. It is really my only hope to get out from this Arm and get into a fixed. I cant pay down my loan fast enough. The depreciation is too much.

WSJ FAQ

The refinance program is only open to borrowers with conforming loans that are owned or guaranteed by Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac
 

OCGuy

Lifer
Jul 12, 2000
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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: Genx87
Tried to refinance. Not going to happen. No banks want to work with me due to the extreme depreciation on my home.

My score is near 800.


Are you in a Fannie/FHA/VA loan? Or was it one of those private ALT-A or subprime loans?

If it is Fannie, there is a program coming out for people who owe up to 105% of the home's value with no MI.

It is through USBank and Fannie Mae backs it. Not really sure what that means. I awaiting on clarification on what that housing act does for me. Apparently the banks are waiting on guidlines from the govt. It is really my only hope to get out from this Arm and get into a fixed. I cant pay down my loan fast enough. The depreciation is too much.


If Fannie Mae backs it, you should have a pretty good shot if you are 5% upside-down or less. We already got our actual guidelines last week. Program starts first week of April.
 

Genx87

Lifer
Apr 8, 2002
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Cool, all I want to do is move this to a fixed rate. Ill recontact USBank tomorrow and see what can be worked out.
 

Wreckem

Diamond Member
Sep 23, 2006
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Originally posted by: BoberFett
I see it claimed repeatedly in this forum that nobody can borrow right now because no banks are lending, regardless of credit rating.

So let's see who has actually tried to get a loan and who is just repeating talking points.

This is hardly scientific, but let's see it.

I got a $18,250 auto loan in Jan. My scores were 598, 645, and 650. I was approved for the MSRP of the car which was $24,000.