Baltimore: Thieves carjack rideshare's car + phone, pose as the drivers, picks up riders and robs them

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This isn't an isolated case!
Multiple thieves are involved.
There have been 39 such cases since Nov. 22. :eek:

In many cases, an active rideshare driver’s car and phone are stolen and the carjacker then poses as a driver, using the rideshare app to pick up unsuspecting riders, who are robbed through mobile payment apps or taken to ATMs to withdraw cash.


Now this is scary.
Wonder what Uber/Lyft can do about this?
 
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highland145

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Stay home.
 
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This isn't an isolated case!
Multiple thieves are involved.
There have been 39 such cases since Nov. 22. :eek:

In many cases, an active rideshare driver’s car and phone are stolen and the carjacker then poses as a driver, using the rideshare app to pick up unsuspecting riders, who are robbed through mobile payment apps or taken to ATMs to withdraw cash.


Now this is scary.
Wonder what Uber/Lyft can do about this?
I think it's more on the rider to be aware that their driver is not who they say they are. I would never get in an Uber or Lyft with someone riding in the front passenger seat. I've had people pick me up who definitely do not match the photo of the driver though. Should be more careful about that next time.
 
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MrSquished

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Can't have a shotgun in baltimore....gun control and all. Keeping peeps safe.

Because Baltimore is on an island not connected to hick regressive states like SC by lots of roads and highways that sell guns like candy.

I can't believe the low IQ it takes to continue to make these 'points'

Bigly sad.
 

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Baltimoreans may produce low IQ in studies but they are far from low IQ in terms of legal system intelligence and understanding psychology of others.

These minors may very well know that because they are juveniles, they won't get hit too hard. Even if they were adults, clemency is king in the densely populated counties(i.e Montgomery and PG) and Baltimore City in MD, because that's what the people want.

For adults, results like PBJ(probation before judgment), or STET occurs often. Some can go even lighter and nolle prosequi but with an arrangement to consented community service. If an individual claims indigence, probation costs can be waived.
 

Captante

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I've been to Baltimore many times and aside from the Camden-Yards/waterfront area all I'll say is that it's mostly not a very nice (or safe) place to be.
 
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Can't have a shotgun in baltimore....gun control and all. Keeping peeps safe.
So far, Maryland has yet to touch on restricting the purchase of shotguns or requiring permits for them. That may change in the future given the political bent of the state, but not yet. "Regulated firearms" are handguns and what are defined as "assault weapons".

Gun control is still restricted to "semi-autos" like pistols. If someone wanted to personally murder someone at point blank range with no regard to future consequences, then all one has to do is get an HQL license(a payment of four hours and 70-150 bucks), buy a gun, and settle the score.
Training to actually use a gun competently for the purpose of self-defense and not amateur murder requires substantially more investment in time and money just to get a weapon that fits the hand and learning how to aim. Thus in actuality, gun control is more about preventing the occurrence of amateur gun owners basically self-destructing themselves for whatever reason(suicide, getting disarmed when they try to use it, etc) and not for preventing crime.

Ultimately, preventing damage from crime like carjackings does require vigilante tactics to deal with the perpetrator until the cops come. Option 1 is not to escalate, but rather bail from the situation. Next up is non-lethal force. Lethal force in MD should only be considered if the victim can kill the guy for sure(without witnesses) and the resulting scene allows the victim to raise the defense that it occurred due to imminent danger. Because if the perp lives and lives to testify, the perp can claim damages in a civil suit for assault and battery and the cops can charge the victim with an appropriate attempted murder charge.
Cops don't prevent things, they respond after shit happens and mop things up at their discretion, convenience, and bias.
 

Captante

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The trick in bad areas where you might get messed with is NEVER allow yourself in a position where you can't take off at least for a short distance.

At times this will mean doing "weird" stuff like stopping 75-100 ft short of stopped traffic at a red light or rolling right through another red light next to a sketchy crowd on the corner. (don't worry about hurt feelings)

99% of preventing that kind of crime happens way before anyone actually tries to rob you.... it's all about situational awareness.
 

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Baltimore isn't that bad. You need to know exactly where you are though, and you need to keep your eyes open. Neighborhoods change fast. It doesn't take much of a walk to go from perfectly fine to "You really need to gtfo now".
 
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Baltimore isn't that bad. You need to know exactly where you are though, and you need to keep your eyes open. Neighborhoods change fast. It doesn't take much of a walk to go from perfectly fine to "You really need to gtfo now".

New Haven is the same way .... but the bad areas are smaller! ;)
 
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The trick in bad areas where you might get messed with is NEVER allow yourself in a position where you can't take off at least for a short distance.

At times this will mean doing "weird" stuff like stopping 75-100 ft short of stopped traffic at a red light or rolling right through another red light next to a sketchy crowd on the corner. (don't worry about hurt feelings)

99% of preventing that kind of crime happens before anyone tries to rob you.... it all about situational awareness.
Baltimore is a place where randomly getting shot is a real risk. I even saw a story about a guy murdered when he was putting out trash and googling just now, a different story where a woman was shot doing the same thing.

Situational awareness helps, but in Baltimore the perps are also situationally aware. Lyft/Uber drivers also are stuck doing a job and in Maryland, regulations require driver to show an emblem while online, which makes it easy for a robber to spot a Uber driver and prepare for attack. The regulation is probably well-intentioned and likely due to a murder that occurred to Samantha Jospehson, who mistakenly got in a vehicle thinking it was her Uber when it was not. Josephson got sexually assaulted and murdered by Nathaniel Rowland

The same risk is actually present for other types of delivery drivers working in dangerous areas, like pizza delivery.
 

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I might have a possible solution or suggestion to ride shares and ride share companies like Uber and Lyft.
My suggestion? "Groups!"

Basically how that works, and for those that work for such ride share services, the drivers need to impose a "group" system. That being... when you pick up a fare or ride whom you like and have a pleasant experience, you then add that person to your "group-list". The more ride requests you respond to and the more pleasant experiences you encounter, the more people to add to your group. Those people that you would gladly service again. Eventually, and hopefully, you'd have a long long list of repeat riders with whom you have had positive experiences, then you could dictate your service only to those riders in your group and ignore those requesting rides that are not in your group.
Want to expand you group? You will have to take a risk with driving a stranger, but those positive experiences will turn that stranger into an addition to your list. The goal, to have a group list long enough to keep you busy.

Also, Uber and Lyft riders themselves would be building their own passenger credit history, credit history for past pleasant experiences with the drivers, and with the drivers rating the passenger. A rating system for the riders who treat you respectfully. No drunks, no one vomiting in your back seat, no one yelling at you or messing with property... your car.
I mean.... it's a start. And maybe the solution to the very scary ride share industry.
Let people prove they are worthy to ride. Then, drivers can stick only to those they have serviced before, or stick with riders that have a positive record on file from the other ride-share drivers.

We need this, and why not? Why not give some protection to the drivers? Take some of the risks out of the drive sharing service. Drivers could still make a good living and earn some extra income while protecting themselves to some extent.

Drivers.... you must protect yourself. Those with evil intentions you DO NOT want to deal with regardless of the money. A drunk yelling at you, vomiting in your car, damaging your car, or those people who live to be your worst nightmare. It only takes one bad apple to mess up your entire day or night, and you don't need to put up with that shit.
There are plenty of riders who simply need a ride from point A to point B, with nothing else in mind. Stick to those riders, after they prove themselves as respectable.

Yes, the answer just might be with the group system. People that you would want deal with repeatedly, people you can trust. People that won't murder you in your own car. And as F---ked up as this world is becoming, you have a right to pick and choose and avoid those bad apples.

My system is just a start, a rough cut of an idea. Something that could lead to some sort of safer ride share system. After all.... you can't just walk into bank and get a loan, you must first prove yourself. Prove that you can be trusted as a borrower. AND... have a good credit history. True??? No banks should be giving out money to just anyone, and no ride share driver should be giving rides to strangers. The driver needs to know the person has used ride share before and can be trusted not to MURDER YOU!!!!!
Is THAT too much to ask?
 
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The apps usually have a picture of the driver, so when taking an uber be sure to check that the driver looks like the photo. I prefer my uber driver to be a women or a really old Indian guy as they seem less likely to rob you.
 

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Because Baltimore is on an island not connected to hick regressive states like SC by lots of roads and highways that sell guns like candy.

I can't believe the low IQ it takes to continue to make these 'points'

Bigly sad.

Although straw purchases in other states are an issue, the proliferation of diy gun kits has been a big issue leading to widening crime in the city.


The greatest issue I see is the lax enforcement of the law. The majority of crime is committed by juveniles who are arrested and then released right back to their parent who is unable to control them.
 

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Uber etc goes against everything we were told as kids. Don't get into a stranger's car. :p Seriously though at the end of the day if using those services it's just a risk you have to be willing to take. Same if you want to be a driver, you are inviting random people in your car. Being driver or passenger both have their risks. It's crossed my mind to do Skip the Dishes though, but not with my truck. If ever I get an EV then it would perhaps be worth doing on my days off.