• We’re currently investigating an issue related to the forum theme and styling that is impacting page layout and visual formatting. The problem has been identified, and we are actively working on a resolution. There is no impact to user data or functionality, this is strictly a front-end display issue. We’ll post an update once the fix has been deployed. Thanks for your patience while we get this sorted.

Baltimore bloodshed,as cops pull back as requested.

Page 2 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.
soundforbjt said:
Houston's murder rate is up 50%, gun "friendliness" doesn't seem to be helping there.
Click to expand...
Don't know the background or the crimes but dumbfucks with guns suck every where they happen.

I feel for the people that have to live there but have no way out or a solution.
 
The Baltimore police didn't pull back 'as requested,' their union instigated a work slowdown.
 
Stop the war on drugs and its strongly disproportionate enforcement on certain minority communities and the result will be less people sent to prison to learn to become violent. Less violence-trained people released back into their minority communities means less violence in those communities. It will take years, if not decades for the violence to fully decrease, but that's your solution right there.
 
Pipeline 1010 said:
Stop the war on drugs and its strongly disproportionate enforcement on certain minority communities and the result will be less people sent to prison to learn to become violent. Less violence-trained people released back into their minority communities means less violence in those communities. It will take years, if not decades for the violence to fully decrease, but that's your solution right there.
Click to expand...

That's part of the solution. The other part is giving people a purpose and in American society that usually means a job. So the other part of your solution would be job training and job opportunities.
 
BeeBoop said:
It's mostly gangs vs gangs.
Click to expand...

Filled with people who can't work because of the minimum wage and whose most lucrative activity is to acquire illegal guns and drugs, both of which are profitable because government made them illegal.

Essentially the inner city gangs are like the South American drug cartels. Their owe their existence largely to the U.S government.
 
Yeah whether you wage war on drugs or quit, or win, or lose, it doesnt matter.
What you need to combat crime is halfway decent jobs. And that means education. We keep focusing on the wrong damn things.
 
Increasing media focus on corrupt police officers may be contributing to a more inhibited police force overall, leading to a bolder class of criminal.
Click to expand...

Huh? So the police department relies on people ignoring corrupt officers for its effectiveness?
 
alcoholbob said:
Filled with people who can't work because of the minimum wage and whose most lucrative activity is to acquire illegal guns and drugs, both of which are profitable because government made them illegal.

Essentially the inner city gangs are like the South American drug cartels. Their owe their existence largely to the U.S government.
Click to expand...

If only people could work for 2 dollars an hour, that would solve everything. How stupid are you to believe that?
 
shortylickens said:
Yeah whether you wage war on drugs or quit, or win, or lose, it doesnt matter.
What you need to combat crime is halfway decent jobs. And that means education. We keep focusing on the wrong damn things.
Click to expand...

Even if there are decent jobs, how is that going to help someone who has been to jail for drugs? They have no future and no hope. Any employer providing decent jobs will check the criminal record and will not hire someone who has been to prison, even if it's just for "the drugs".

Maybe by ending the war on drugs, we could use the Billions we have spent on that to cut payroll taxes, perhaps stimulating more decent jobs. As a taxpayer, I'd personally far prefer my money spent on reducing tax-related impediments to hiring people rather into good jobs than spending it on incarcerating people and teaching them violence as a way of life.
 
shortylickens said:
Cops dont prevent crime. They clean up the mess afterwards.

If you wanna get rid of crime you need to improve education. That in turn leads to more and better jobs which directly leads to low crime rates.
Click to expand...

Uhh yes they do. They don't prevent the major crimes usually, but they prevent crimes that normal people may have done otherwise. It's like locks on a house. No one expects a lock on your door to stop a serious criminal. It's to keep "honest" people honest. Same thing will cops. They keep the "honest" people honest. They also do help stop the bigger shit as it is going down but they can't stop it before it starts. And they do clean things up afterwards. Removing a scum bag off the street that has done a crime tends to prevent them from committing new crimes when they aren't on the street anymore.

So saying cops don't prevent crime is not correct.
 
shortylickens said:
Yeah whether you wage war on drugs or quit, or win, or lose, it doesnt matter.
What you need to combat crime is halfway decent jobs. And that means education. We keep focusing on the wrong damn things.
Click to expand...

Education is at best a multi-generational fix. Most of the people that have turned to crime right now are not going to invest (time and effort) in education at this point, and the are not likely to push their kids to invest in education either. Maybe their grandkids can be convinced if we continue to push education for that long. But we don't have the political will to create a working education system and then wait two generations for it to actually have an effect on a society. If in a few years of inception it has not made a major difference we decide it is a failure and decide that we need more direct methods.

And that is all assuming that we are able to convince even the grandkids that education is a way out of poverty, and that is becoming a shaky proposition. I'm not at all convinced that education is going to help those kids all that much and I'm considerably overeducated.

Simply put our society has passed the point of diminishing returns on education.

No, the solution is not that simple. Education will be a part of it, but not the most important part. The most important part will be building a social infrastructure that gives them a reason to be productive members of society instead of predators and victims of it.

But doing that would require us to change as much as them.
 
They're also starving the city of revenue from citations. The city chose war with the police and that's what they got.
 
Hugo Drax said:
The community gets tired of police presence, cops pull back as requested and you get the highest murder rate In 43 years.

I guess black lives don't matter in Baltimore amongst its population.

http://www.ijreview.com/2015/08/382377-baltimore-sees-bloodiest-month-40-years/
Click to expand...

Their right to whatever they want if they feel this is better than the alternative of an oppressive and violent police force. Their version of safety and happiness doesn't have to match my version.

That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.
Click to expand...
 
Darwin333 said:
As I recall they "requested" that cops stop shooting innocent people or people that were not an imminent threat to them or anyone else and to stop fucking with people over petty bullshit.
Click to expand...

No I was here the citizens made it clear to the cops get the hell out and stay out.

Since then the cops patrol the taxpayer neighborhoods and stay out of the ghettos.
 
HumblePie said:
Uhh yes they do. They don't prevent the major crimes usually, but they prevent crimes that normal people may have done otherwise. It's like locks on a house. No one expects a lock on your door to stop a serious criminal. It's to keep "honest" people honest. Same thing will cops. They keep the "honest" people honest. They also do help stop the bigger shit as it is going down but they can't stop it before it starts. And they do clean things up afterwards. Removing a scum bag off the street that has done a crime tends to prevent them from committing new crimes when they aren't on the street anymore.

So saying cops don't prevent crime is not correct.
Click to expand...

I think you might be talking about the broken window theory.

I'm more on the side of cops not preventing crime for the most part. They are really a revenue collection apparatus until a citizen calls for help. In other words basically a reactionary law enforcement response.

Sure there are examples of undercover and other proactive law enforcement but in the grand scheme that amounts to very little of total officer hours I bet.

Is harass and collect or serve and protect more common?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

TRENDING THREADS

Back
Top