Baldur's Gate, BG2

[Fayd]

thinking of having another shot at it.

this time, i'm thinking of a multiclass swashbuckler/mage. (shadowkeepered....so it'll work!)

anyone think this is a horrible idea? insanely awesome idea?

anyways, i'm thinking of the party i'm gonna put together for it. viconia's in, obviously. but where to get a fighter. korgan? seems like i've already done that

lvl1npc's mod viconia into a fighter/cleric?

 

[miniMUNCH]

Wow... that brought up memories. Yeah i was thinking about dusting off BG2 as well. NWN2 official campaign sucks bad.

 

[miniMUNCH]

What about Minsc or whatever his name his... fighter right?

 

[Fayd]

Originally posted by: miniMUNCH
What about Minsc or whatever his name his... fighter right?

ranger.

though i suppose i could lvl1npc mod him into a strait fighter. personally i never liked rangers...at least for dnd 2nd edition.

i was also thinking of the paladin dude...but i cant remember if he and viconia end up coming to blows. inquisitors are so awesome, but if i have to pick between some asshat paladin and viconia, it's gotta be viconia.

 

[shortylickens]

While Shadowkeeper may let you mix any class outside of the game, in the game I dont know how well that would work at level up. You may not be allowed to have certain special abilities or may miss other benefits. But you should try it and let us know.

Korgan is arguably the best fighter since he has the best stats (in the core game. Sarevok is actually a little tougher, but he's not available until later.) Mazzy could be considered better because she's a pure fighter and therefore able to put 5 points into missile weapons. If fact its been argued that a fighters THAC0 table combined with 5 points in bow is actually a lot better than an Archer kit because the ranger cant go as high in his weapon proficencies. And in the core game those are the only two pure fighters. HOWEVER, I noticed something when I got Anomen up to high levels (around 25-30). He can put 5 points into a single weapon, simply because he has at least one level in Fighter. Thats good because he's even more dangerous with the Flail of Ages or Crom Feyer that way (your choice of point distribution).

Though I agree that Korgan is so damn useful I actually get tired of having him in all my games. But he's also really easy to aquire, whereas Mazzy requires a bit of work before you can get her.

Dont bother making Viconia into a Fighter/Cleric. You already have one of those and she in the only pure Cleric you can get in the game, meaning she gets quickest access to the Super Spells at later levels. She'll also have more spells per level, a little earlier than Anomen and much earlier than Aerie.


Anomen and Keldorn have the potential to end up in serious fights with any of the Evil PC's (Korgan, Edwin, Viconia). I do distinctly recall a time when Keldorn and Viconia did try to kill each other after an argument. That sucked. I had to reload and then dump Viconia.
I also recall another time Edwin left the group in anger, because of the more pious members of the group giving him a hard time.

 

[Bateluer]

Mazzy as a fighter is awesome. I always gave her a short sword with a speed bonus on it. With 5 points into the proficiency, she was instant death to a mage. She was quick enough to interrupt instant cast spells.

 

[shortylickens]

Originally posted by: Bateluer
Mazzy as a fighter is awesome. I always gave her a short sword with a speed bonus on it. With 5 points into the proficiency, she was instant death to a mage. She was quick enough to interrupt instant cast spells.

Yeah I think its Kundane thats the short sword with no speed factor.
She also can get The Sword of Mask on the top level of Watchers Keep if I'm not mistaken. Thats the one which casts Entangle randomly on each hit. I found out that the swords entangle ignores magic resistance and saving throws, but it only has a small percentage chance of happening.
Also, plenty of monsters and powerful mages are simply immune to it.

But its damn good when it works. Just back everyone out and cast fog spells. Let the mage or lich use up his Time Stops and other spells.

 

[Bateluer]

I hope DA lives up to expectations. Getting BG2 to run is only going to get harder. I need to install several gigs worth of mods as it is.

 

[Fenixgoon]

solo monk. you will not regret it

 

[Bateluer]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
solo monk. you will not regret it

Monks are definitely badass at high levels, but you'd miss out on all the party banter. That's half of what made BG2 so good.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: Bateluer

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
solo monk. you will not regret it

Monks are definitely badass at high levels, but you'd miss out on all the party banter. That's half of what made BG2 so good.

absolutely. i solo'd because i've beaten bg2 so many times

 

[Fayd]

if i wanted to solo, i'd either do multiclass FMT or FMC.

probably FMC, though i'd miss thief skills.

 

[Fayd]

Originally posted by: shortylickens

Originally posted by: Bateluer
Mazzy as a fighter is awesome. I always gave her a short sword with a speed bonus on it. With 5 points into the proficiency, she was instant death to a mage. She was quick enough to interrupt instant cast spells.

Yeah I think its Kundane thats the short sword with no speed factor.
She also can get The Sword of Mask on the top level of Watchers Keep if I'm not mistaken. Thats the one which casts Entangle randomly on each hit. I found out that the swords entangle ignores magic resistance and saving throws, but it only has a small percentage chance of happening.
Also, plenty of monsters and powerful mages are simply immune to it.

But its damn good when it works. Just back everyone out and cast fog spells. Let the mage or lich use up his Time Stops and other spells.

yeah, kundane is the short sword.

when i played through last time, i played a dual wielding blade. i went scimitar proficiency, so i had belm in offhand and scarlet ninja-to in main hand. 2 swords, both giving an extra attack per round. gave me 4 attacks per round as a base. offensive spin takes it to 5, and improved haste takes it to 10 attacks per round.

i think regardless of what i end up making, it's gonna be dual wielding those 2 swords. which is why i want to make a swashbuckler/mage, so that i can get UAI and use the scarlet ninja-to. (well, that and jansen adventure wear. static 25% resist to all physical damage..yes please.)

my only real concern with a swashbuckler mage is my thaco is gonna be worse than my blades, which was pretty bad to begin with. but oh well... the price i pay for a decent mage.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Originally posted by: Fayd


anyways, i'm thinking of the party i'm gonna put together for it. viconia's in, obviously. but where to get a fighter. korgan? seems like i've already done that

You must have Minsc. No matter what you do with the rest of the party Minsc has got to be there, it's just not the same game without his commentary.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Don't forget Boo! Miniature giant space hamsters are hard to forget.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Load up on mods, checkout my forgotten realms thread for links to good mods.

 

[Fayd]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Load up on mods, checkout my forgotten realms thread for links to good mods.

last time i tried to stick a lot of mods in, i ended up screwing up the game so bad i had to uninstall.

i'm starting from scratch now. >_<

so.... official patches, fixpack, widescreen mod... actually, i may not take viconia this time, because i want to try out some of the other romance options. i think i've already done jaheria and aerie, so i may try the imoen romance. (cue: "dude, she's your sister!" responses) of course, since i'm a thief/mage, that makes her class somewhat superfluous. so i guess i'll turn her into a multiclass cleric/mage. (aerie really is a powerful char, but sooooooooo annoying. if i could have aerie without having aerie, that is win.)

i've played too much evil recently, so maybe it's time i made a good char. i guess i'll have to go with minsc or mazzy. as much as i love minsc, i've never used mazzy once. maybe it'll be worth it for a go.... or keldorn.

i havent tried ascension yet, so i'll have to give that a go as well.

 

[I Saw OJ]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Don't forget Boo! Miniature giant space hamsters are hard to forget.

Go for the eyes Boo! Go for the eyes!!!

 

[Qbah]

The best banters are between Jan Jansen, Minsc and Viconia. Jan being the "star" With the player going for Jan's stories Actually, he's the only "gnome-like" character in every game I have ever played, that I liked.

As for Keldorn, he tried raising his sword on Viconia. He died by my hand shortly after. Not to mention I don't really like paladins.

If you want to play with ShadowKeeper and have a full party, I'd say skip multi-class chars - if you're changing, go for standard kits. And I highly recommend the BGT megamod. I had no problems installing it (ok, a few minor ones - not reading the readme file wasn't smart ).

As for the composition, you can get anyone basically and still finish the game without major problems Which you probably know anyway.

And finally, soloing I had most fun as a Weimer'd Shapeshifter. Dual'ed at lvl13 to a fighter I killed everything with brute force. No "buts".

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: Qbah
The best banters are between Jan Jansen, Minsc and Viconia. Jan being the "star" With the player going for Jan's stories Actually, he's the only "gnome-like" character in every game I have ever played, that I liked.

As for Keldorn, he tried raising his sword on Viconia. He died by my hand shortly after. Not to mention I don't really like paladins.

If you want to play with ShadowKeeper and have a full party, I'd say skip multi-class chars - if you're changing, go for standard kits. And I highly recommend the BGT megamod. I had no problems installing it (ok, a few minor ones - not reading the readme file wasn't smart ).

As for the composition, you can get anyone basically and still finish the game without major problems Which you probably know anyway.

And finally, soloing I had most fun as a Weimer'd Shapeshifter. Dual'ed at lvl13 to a fighter I killed everything with brute force. No "buts".

turning into the slayer made my solo monk worse

 

[Fayd]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Qbah
The best banters are between Jan Jansen, Minsc and Viconia. Jan being the "star" With the player going for Jan's stories Actually, he's the only "gnome-like" character in every game I have ever played, that I liked.

As for Keldorn, he tried raising his sword on Viconia. He died by my hand shortly after. Not to mention I don't really like paladins.

If you want to play with ShadowKeeper and have a full party, I'd say skip multi-class chars - if you're changing, go for standard kits. And I highly recommend the BGT megamod. I had no problems installing it (ok, a few minor ones - not reading the readme file wasn't smart ).

As for the composition, you can get anyone basically and still finish the game without major problems Which you probably know anyway.

And finally, soloing I had most fun as a Weimer'd Shapeshifter. Dual'ed at lvl13 to a fighter I killed everything with brute force. No "buts".

turning into the slayer made my solo monk worse

turning into slayer makes most power-play characters worse endgame.

my kensai/thief fully buffed out with scrolls as well would rip a slayer in half. same with my kensai/mage. (i've made a lot of kensai/mages for some reason.)

i'm thinking i may try soloing a FMC. imagine the melee powerhouse that is the FMC...with priest spells on mage triggers, contingency, robes of vecna, amulet of power, and a fighter's thac0. slight concern with what weapons i could use, but i could still offhand the club of detonation. or use the other aspects of lvl1npc mod to give me full fighter weapon choices. imagine drizzt's suprise when i'm fully buffed out within 2 rounds, and proceed to rip him and his stupid pet and the rest of his party to shreds.

 

[Qbah]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
turning into the slayer made my solo monk worse

The Slayer is a wuss Low HP and low DMG.

My Shapeshifter/Fighter with good gear had 5 attacks every round, was critting for 50+. Fighter HLAs and Kangaxx's ring = 10 crits in one round (6 seconds). Hell, a standard Weimer Shapeshifter is more powerful than a slayer. And so much more badass

I was even soloing the Tactics mod without much trouble - except for Kangaxx. 7 ranged Imprisonments (no save throws, ignores MR :shocked and 3 Spellstrikes every round sitting in the middle of a Teleport Field was a tad to much to rush Luckily, he summoned a pit lord And didn't have Protection from Evil - the pit lord made short work of him (for some reason he didn't fight the demon ).

I hope Dragon Age: Origins delivers. Though it would probably have to be on a level of a World Wonder to beat BG2

 

[Fayd]

Originally posted by: shortylickens
While Shadowkeeper may let you mix any class outside of the game, in the game I dont know how well that would work at level up. You may not be allowed to have certain special abilities or may miss other benefits. But you should try it and let us know.

Korgan is arguably the best fighter since he has the best stats (in the core game. Sarevok is actually a little tougher, but he's not available until later.) Mazzy could be considered better because she's a pure fighter and therefore able to put 5 points into missile weapons. If fact its been argued that a fighters THAC0 table combined with 5 points in bow is actually a lot better than an Archer kit because the ranger cant go as high in his weapon proficencies. And in the core game those are the only two pure fighters. HOWEVER, I noticed something when I got Anomen up to high levels (around 25-30). He can put 5 points into a single weapon, simply because he has at least one level in Fighter. Thats good because he's even more dangerous with the Flail of Ages or Crom Feyer that way (your choice of point distribution).

Though I agree that Korgan is so damn useful I actually get tired of having him in all my games. But he's also really easy to aquire, whereas Mazzy requires a bit of work before you can get her.

Dont bother making Viconia into a Fighter/Cleric. You already have one of those and she in the only pure Cleric you can get in the game, meaning she gets quickest access to the Super Spells at later levels. She'll also have more spells per level, a little earlier than Anomen and much earlier than Aerie.


Anomen and Keldorn have the potential to end up in serious fights with any of the Evil PC's (Korgan, Edwin, Viconia). I do distinctly recall a time when Keldorn and Viconia did try to kill each other after an argument. That sucked. I had to reload and then dump Viconia.
I also recall another time Edwin left the group in anger, because of the more pious members of the group giving him a hard time.

actually, the multiclass swashbuckler/mage is doing quite well. i found a guide online for how to multiclass properly in shadowkeeper. it's got what i liked about the kensai/mage, and gave me thief skills (gonna cost me a little thac0 and high level mage spells in the end, but it does give me everything awesome about a thief. and my cloak of non-detection will actually work now!). i'm suprised at how capable the swashbuckler is as a fighter.

i decided to make it a good party of 3 people. me, saerileth (modded in cavalier... personally would have preferred undead hunter. wait...shadowkeeper...) and anomen. (i fucking hate anomen, and am being reminded of that now.)

as it stands, i got robes of vecna and the 2 swords that increase #hits per round... (so 4 hits per round base, 8 with imp haste.) saerileth has carsomyr, and anomen's gonna get FoA and crom faeyr.

 

[QuantumPion]

Beware! Your knees are mine!

 

[you2]

What was the all in one patch you were suppose to install before playing this game ?