Jaskalas
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And you help ensure we never change our mind. This is war, and no votes pay for future no votes.
And you help ensure we never change our mind. This is war, and no votes pay for future no votes.
Preening & posturing by Repubs. 3/4 of the states need to ratify an amendment, and there are entirely too many red states permanently attached to the federal teat for that to happen.
Did they attempt to balance the budget from 2003-2007 (2004-2008 expenditures) when they controlled the House, the Senate, and the Presidency?
Obviously not.
Watch 'em start squealing when the super committee humjob falls through & defense spending takes a hit. They'll squeal even louder when the Bush tax cuts eventually expire, too.
Did they attempt to balance the budget from 2003-2007 (2004-2008 expenditures) when they controlled the House, the Senate, and the Presidency?
Obviously not.
Watch 'em start squealing when the super committee humjob falls through & defense spending takes a hit. They'll squeal even louder when the Bush tax cuts eventually expire, too.
DominionSeraph
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soundforbjt
Lifer
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Don't forget Paul Ryan didn't vote for it either, so make sure to vote him out as well.
that would be the Senate where Republicans force most bills to get 60 votes to pass because of the filibuster.
Because it's all posturing, 100% bullshit. It's a sop to their Tea Party base and nothing more.
One the one hand, they claim that they need to place this sort of limit on themselves (Help me! I can't stop myself!) and future legislators so as to protect the economy, but they're all about letting bankers run wild, destroy the economy. Go Figure.
What their fanbois don't realize is that Repubs have become the party of the Rich-
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-the-gop-became-the-party-of-the-rich-20111109
At this point it seems as if it's in the best interest of the Democrats to simply let the Super Committee fail rather than accept some bullshit half-assed Republican plan.
Major cuts to defense spending, Bush tax cuts on wealthy expire.
The Democrats hold all the cards here, they know by not making a deal at all they will be better off. The Republicans will be changing their tune very quickly.
Major cuts to defense spending, Bush tax cuts on wealthy expire.
The Democrats hold all the cards here, they know by not making a deal at all they will be better off. The Republicans will be changing their tune very quickly.
shira
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Why doesn't the "one party intent on fixing it" present a 1012 balanced budget? You know, the one that has 0 new taxes and reduces spending by $1.1 trillion, the size of the projected 2012 deficit if nothing were done. Yeah, let's see that $1.1 trillion in 2012 spending cuts.
monovillage
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Don't forget Paul Ryan didn't vote for it either, so make sure to vote him out as well.
I'm not in his State, but in case I move i'll read the rest of his record.
LMAO you are an idiot, Congress just passed a big spending bill to keep the Gubermint running with the help of defecting GOP congressman/woman.
This gives me some hope that the stranglehold that the batshit crazy Republicans had in Congress is finally a thing of the past.
http://nbcpolitics.msnbc.msn.com/_n...gress-ok-of-big-spending-bill-shows-gop-split
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Don't forget Paul Ryan didn't vote for it either, so make sure to vote him out as well.
I can verify that every Dem worth their salt in my state would LOVE that to happen.
cybrsage
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cybrsage
Lifer
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The Dems control the Senate and the Presidency. It is impossible to pass a balanced budget with "We are not invovled in hostilities in Libya, we are just blowing up tanks and killing Libyan soldiers" Obama is in power.
As if expenditures in both Iraq and Afghanistan don't dwarf those wrt Libya. Libya is over, btw. Afghanistan goes on like a looped nightmare, however.
If HOR Repubs really want a balanced budget, they can easily pass one, send it on to the Senate, compromise from there. But they don't, of course, because the reality of a balanced budget at current levels of revenue would put the country up in arms, destroy what's left of the economy if implemented.
What you believe in is bunk, lies layered upon lies, created to facilitate top down class warfare using emotionally satisfying sloganeering.
Throckmorton
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We don't need a balanced budget. We need to fix the damn economy, not fire millions of government workers.
DominionSeraph
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Hmmm... what happened to the "Republican landslide victory" of 2010? Weren't all the conservative outlets spewing about how the midterm elections were an overwhelming mandate for Republican policies, yet with what you are saying, how could it have been? I mean, if it didn't give them the power to do anything it couldn't have been much of a mandate...
Anyway, they're certainly capable of showing that they mean it by passing a bill in the House and getting together 47 Senators who will say that they'd vote for the House bill. Where is even a hint of a bill with $1.3 trillion in spending cuts?
Face it, the Republicans are playing political games. The Balanced Budget Amendment is just a sham -- it allows the Republicans to blame the Amendment if they reduce the size of the government further down the line, and if the citizenry suddenly rebels over it, it allows them to look like heroes in repealing it. The Republicans do not have the balls to stand alone and say, "We are going to do this -- we are going to reduce the size of government." They are too chicken-shit to take the possible fallout of that decision. What the fuck kind of party is that, where they only move forward through trickery?
If you have principles, fucking STAND ON THEM. If the populace is too fucking stupid to see that they are good and they choose an easy way out that is destined to fail, let them fucking fail. Treat them like adults.
Conservative politics is fucking insidious right now. Everything is a total con. It is fucking dangerous to have a culture of "Let's do whatever the hell we want -- we'll just trick the citizenry into thinking it's something else to get away with it." It usurps the People's place in government.
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palehorse
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cybrsage
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Obama refused to follow the War Powers Act because he claimed Libya was not a military confict area...
Afghanistan and Iraq are also both Obama's wars...since he could have ended them shortly after taking office. He promised we would be out of Iraq long ago, too...but that was only if he was elected President...
cybrsage
Lifer
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It was a landslide victory. The republicans took control of the House from a large Dem majority and dropped the Senate to the dems barely having a majority.
Prior to the elections, the dems had so much power they could override everything (almost) the repubs tried to do.
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