Bah, they're turning off CDMA here in Feb 2008 :|

dug777

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On the upside, even tho i'm on prepaid, they're offering free GSM handsets if you exchange it now, and closer to the time they'll be offering free 3G handsets for those who use their phones outside existing GSM coverage (like little me)...a small consolation i suppose, but i'm very happy with my current mobile :p

They've spent years and millions rolling CDMA out, especially in regional areas, and having only completed the roll-out recently, they're going to start converting them to W-CDMA (a 3G) :| I've heard that they can use ~80% of the existing components in the CDMA towers when they convert them, so i guess it must make sense to someone out there...

It's not as if CDMA 1x is useless tho :confused:
 

Aquaman

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Hey Australian Harry Potter.......... why not use your magical powers? :Q :confused: ;)

Cheers,
Aquaman
 

dug777

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Originally posted by: Aquaman
Hey Australian Harry Potter.......... why not use your magical powers? :Q :confused: ;)

Cheers,
Aquaman

Hot Carl for j00, dawg!
 

Aquaman

Lifer
Dec 17, 1999
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Brooklyn Steamer for jOO :p

Followed by an Alabama Hot Pocket ITB :Q :confused: ;)

Cheers,
Aquaman
 

Philippine Mango

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Originally posted by: dug777
On the upside, even tho i'm on prepaid, they're offering free GSM handsets if you exchange it now, and closer to the time they'll be offering free 3G handsets for those who use their phones outside existing GSM coverage (like little me)...a small consolation i suppose, but i'm very happy with my current mobile :p

They've spent years and millions rolling CDMA out, especially in regional areas, and having only completed the roll-out recently, they're going to start converting them to W-CDMA (a 3G) :| I've heard that they can use ~80% of the existing components in the CDMA towers when they convert them, so i guess it must make sense to someone out there...

It's not as if CDMA 1x is useless tho :confused:

Wait, what? So they're converting it to GSM? Well personally I hate CDMA, I'm glad to see GSM becoming more universal as it should be, now if they would only kill of CDMA in the states...
 

intogamer

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Then you can ATOT via mobile internet

Cingular 3G is pretty good... 4.2Mbs in boston... should be 200ms ping

But I'm not so sure about the techie rep....
 

dug777

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Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: dug777
On the upside, even tho i'm on prepaid, they're offering free GSM handsets if you exchange it now, and closer to the time they'll be offering free 3G handsets for those who use their phones outside existing GSM coverage (like little me)...a small consolation i suppose, but i'm very happy with my current mobile :p

They've spent years and millions rolling CDMA out, especially in regional areas, and having only completed the roll-out recently, they're going to start converting them to W-CDMA (a 3G) :| I've heard that they can use ~80% of the existing components in the CDMA towers when they convert them, so i guess it must make sense to someone out there...

It's not as if CDMA 1x is useless tho :confused:

Wait, what? So they're converting it to GSM? Well personally I hate CDMA, I'm glad to see GSM becoming more universal as it should be, now if they would only kill of CDMA in the states...

No.

Like i said, W-CDMA. We already have a GSM network that will continue for a while yet, but it is practically non-existent in regional areas.

 

Philippine Mango

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Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: dug777
On the upside, even tho i'm on prepaid, they're offering free GSM handsets if you exchange it now, and closer to the time they'll be offering free 3G handsets for those who use their phones outside existing GSM coverage (like little me)...a small consolation i suppose, but i'm very happy with my current mobile :p

They've spent years and millions rolling CDMA out, especially in regional areas, and having only completed the roll-out recently, they're going to start converting them to W-CDMA (a 3G) :| I've heard that they can use ~80% of the existing components in the CDMA towers when they convert them, so i guess it must make sense to someone out there...

It's not as if CDMA 1x is useless tho :confused:

Wait, what? So they're converting it to GSM? Well personally I hate CDMA, I'm glad to see GSM becoming more universal as it should be, now if they would only kill of CDMA in the states...

No.

Like i said, W-CDMA. We already have a GSM network that will continue for a while yet, but it is practically non-existent in regional areas.

Look up W-CDMA, it's basically UTMS which IMO=GSM

Too bad considering that they're already rolling out HSDPA, funny that they're already doing HSDPA in the states when most people are on GPRS. :laugh:
 

dug777

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Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: dug777
On the upside, even tho i'm on prepaid, they're offering free GSM handsets if you exchange it now, and closer to the time they'll be offering free 3G handsets for those who use their phones outside existing GSM coverage (like little me)...a small consolation i suppose, but i'm very happy with my current mobile :p

They've spent years and millions rolling CDMA out, especially in regional areas, and having only completed the roll-out recently, they're going to start converting them to W-CDMA (a 3G) :| I've heard that they can use ~80% of the existing components in the CDMA towers when they convert them, so i guess it must make sense to someone out there...

It's not as if CDMA 1x is useless tho :confused:

Wait, what? So they're converting it to GSM? Well personally I hate CDMA, I'm glad to see GSM becoming more universal as it should be, now if they would only kill of CDMA in the states...

No.

Like i said, W-CDMA. We already have a GSM network that will continue for a while yet, but it is practically non-existent in regional areas.

Look up W-CDMA, it's basically UTMS which IMO=GSM

Too bad considering that they're already rolling out HSDPA, funny that they're already doing HSDPA in the states when most people are on GPRS. :laugh:

W-CDMA handsets won't work with GSM, and vice versa. So no, W-CDMA doesn't equal GSM for any practical purpose.

EDIT: wiki: More technically, W-CDMA is a wideband spread-spectrum mobile air interface that utilizes the direct sequence Code Division Multiple Access signalling method (or CDMA) to achieve higher speeds and support more users compared to the older TDMA signalling method of GSM networks.

EDIT2: you have no idea what you're talking about ;)

wiki: In Australia, telecommunication giant Telstra launched their UMTS 3G network named NextG on the 850Mhz band using HSDPA in October 2006
 

alm99

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Coincidentally they are shutting off analog service of CDMA on Feb 18th, 2008.
 

Philippine Mango

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Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: dug777
On the upside, even tho i'm on prepaid, they're offering free GSM handsets if you exchange it now, and closer to the time they'll be offering free 3G handsets for those who use their phones outside existing GSM coverage (like little me)...a small consolation i suppose, but i'm very happy with my current mobile :p

They've spent years and millions rolling CDMA out, especially in regional areas, and having only completed the roll-out recently, they're going to start converting them to W-CDMA (a 3G) :| I've heard that they can use ~80% of the existing components in the CDMA towers when they convert them, so i guess it must make sense to someone out there...

It's not as if CDMA 1x is useless tho :confused:

Wait, what? So they're converting it to GSM? Well personally I hate CDMA, I'm glad to see GSM becoming more universal as it should be, now if they would only kill of CDMA in the states...

No.

Like i said, W-CDMA. We already have a GSM network that will continue for a while yet, but it is practically non-existent in regional areas.

Look up W-CDMA, it's basically UTMS which IMO=GSM

Too bad considering that they're already rolling out HSDPA, funny that they're already doing HSDPA in the states when most people are on GPRS. :laugh:

W-CDMA handsets won't work with GSM, and vice versa. So no, W-CDMA doesn't equal GSM for any practical purpose.

EDIT: wiki: More technically, W-CDMA is a wideband spread-spectrum mobile air interface that utilizes the direct sequence Code Division Multiple Access signalling method (or CDMA) to achieve higher speeds and support more users compared to the older TDMA signalling method of GSM networks.

EDIT2: you have no idea what you're talking about ;)

wiki: In Australia, telecommunication giant Telstra launched their UMTS 3G network named NextG on the 850Mhz band using HSDPA in October 2006


Sorry, you don't know what you're talking about...

W-CDMA was developed by NTT DoCoMo as the air interface for their 3G network FOMA. Later NTT DoCoMo submitted the specification to the International Telecommunication Union (ITU) as a candidate for the international 3G standard known as IMT-2000. The ITU eventually accepted W-CDMA as part of the IMT-2000 family of 3G standards, as an alternative to CDMA2000, EDGE, and the short range DECT system. Later, W-CDMA was selected as the air interface for UMTS, the 3G successor to GSM.
 

dug777

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Oct 13, 2004
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Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: dug777
On the upside, even tho i'm on prepaid, they're offering free GSM handsets if you exchange it now, and closer to the time they'll be offering free 3G handsets for those who use their phones outside existing GSM coverage (like little me)...a small consolation i suppose, but i'm very happy with my current mobile :p

They've spent years and millions rolling CDMA out, especially in regional areas, and having only completed the roll-out recently, they're going to start converting them to W-CDMA (a 3G) :| I've heard that they can use ~80% of the existing components in the CDMA towers when they convert them, so i guess it must make sense to someone out there...

It's not as if CDMA 1x is useless tho :confused:

Wait, what? So they're converting it to GSM? Well personally I hate CDMA, I'm glad to see GSM becoming more universal as it should be, now if they would only kill of CDMA in the states...

No.

Like i said, W-CDMA. We already have a GSM network that will continue for a while yet, but it is practically non-existent in regional areas.

Look up W-CDMA, it's basically UTMS which IMO=GSM

Too bad considering that they're already rolling out HSDPA, funny that they're already doing HSDPA in the states when most people are on GPRS. :laugh:

W-CDMA handsets won't work with GSM, and vice versa. So no, W-CDMA doesn't equal GSM for any practical purpose.

EDIT: wiki: More technically, W-CDMA is a wideband spread-spectrum mobile air interface that utilizes the direct sequence Code Division Multiple Access signalling method (or CDMA) to achieve higher speeds and support more users compared to the older TDMA signalling method of GSM networks.

EDIT2: you have no idea what you're talking about ;)

wiki: In Australia, telecommunication giant Telstra launched their UMTS 3G network named NextG on the 850Mhz band using HSDPA in October 2006


Sorry, you don't know what you're talking about...

W-CDMA was developed by NTT DoCoMo as the air interface for their 3G network FOMA. Later NTT DoCoMo submitted the specification to the International Telecommunication Union (ITU) as a candidate for the international 3G standard known as IMT-2000. The ITU eventually accepted W-CDMA as part of the IMT-2000 family of 3G standards, as an alternative to CDMA2000, EDGE, and the short range DECT system. Later, W-CDMA was selected as the air interface for UMTS, the 3G successor to GSM.

Dude, you said W-CDMA=GSM. It doesn't. Plain & Simple. It's actually CDMA based whereas GSM is TDMA (as i posted, if you bothered to read what i posted at any stage in this thread).

The fact it's the successor of GSM has nothing to do with anything you initially said ;)

You then made some inane comments about HSPDA, that just make no sense at all, however you slice them.
 

Philippine Mango

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Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: dug777
On the upside, even tho i'm on prepaid, they're offering free GSM handsets if you exchange it now, and closer to the time they'll be offering free 3G handsets for those who use their phones outside existing GSM coverage (like little me)...a small consolation i suppose, but i'm very happy with my current mobile :p

They've spent years and millions rolling CDMA out, especially in regional areas, and having only completed the roll-out recently, they're going to start converting them to W-CDMA (a 3G) :| I've heard that they can use ~80% of the existing components in the CDMA towers when they convert them, so i guess it must make sense to someone out there...

It's not as if CDMA 1x is useless tho :confused:

Wait, what? So they're converting it to GSM? Well personally I hate CDMA, I'm glad to see GSM becoming more universal as it should be, now if they would only kill of CDMA in the states...

No.

Like i said, W-CDMA. We already have a GSM network that will continue for a while yet, but it is practically non-existent in regional areas.

Look up W-CDMA, it's basically UTMS which IMO=GSM

Too bad considering that they're already rolling out HSDPA, funny that they're already doing HSDPA in the states when most people are on GPRS. :laugh:

W-CDMA handsets won't work with GSM, and vice versa. So no, W-CDMA doesn't equal GSM for any practical purpose.

EDIT: wiki: More technically, W-CDMA is a wideband spread-spectrum mobile air interface that utilizes the direct sequence Code Division Multiple Access signalling method (or CDMA) to achieve higher speeds and support more users compared to the older TDMA signalling method of GSM networks.

EDIT2: you have no idea what you're talking about ;)

wiki: In Australia, telecommunication giant Telstra launched their UMTS 3G network named NextG on the 850Mhz band using HSDPA in October 2006


Sorry, you don't know what you're talking about...

W-CDMA was developed by NTT DoCoMo as the air interface for their 3G network FOMA. Later NTT DoCoMo submitted the specification to the International Telecommunication Union (ITU) as a candidate for the international 3G standard known as IMT-2000. The ITU eventually accepted W-CDMA as part of the IMT-2000 family of 3G standards, as an alternative to CDMA2000, EDGE, and the short range DECT system. Later, W-CDMA was selected as the air interface for UMTS, the 3G successor to GSM.

Dude, you said W-CDMA=GSM. It doesn't. Plain & Simple. It's actually CDMA based whereas GSM is TDMA (as i posted, if you bothered to read what i posted at any stage in this thread).

The fact it's the successor of GSM has nothing to do with anything you initially said ;)

You then made some inane comments about HSPDA, that just make no sense at all, however you slice them.

In my eyes, it's basically GSM because UMTS headsets are backward compatible with GSM headsets, you don't have the backward compatibility with CDMA networks..


UMTS phones work on GSM and UMTS networks, UMTS phones however don't work on CDMA networks, therefore I'd consider W-CDMA to be GSM because it provides the backward compatibility. If you want to get technical and talk about how they're different technologies, be my guest, but you'll be the only one discussing it.

And my comments aren't inane about HSDPA, it's funny because most phones in the US only support GPRS and they're now effectively skipping two steps, UMTS and EDGE, sure HSDPA is UMTS but the original speeds of UMTS are far slower than HSDPA. The 4G sucessor will be based off of UMTS as well.
 

dug777

Lifer
Oct 13, 2004
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Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: dug777
On the upside, even tho i'm on prepaid, they're offering free GSM handsets if you exchange it now, and closer to the time they'll be offering free 3G handsets for those who use their phones outside existing GSM coverage (like little me)...a small consolation i suppose, but i'm very happy with my current mobile :p

They've spent years and millions rolling CDMA out, especially in regional areas, and having only completed the roll-out recently, they're going to start converting them to W-CDMA (a 3G) :| I've heard that they can use ~80% of the existing components in the CDMA towers when they convert them, so i guess it must make sense to someone out there...

It's not as if CDMA 1x is useless tho :confused:

Wait, what? So they're converting it to GSM? Well personally I hate CDMA, I'm glad to see GSM becoming more universal as it should be, now if they would only kill of CDMA in the states...

No.

Like i said, W-CDMA. We already have a GSM network that will continue for a while yet, but it is practically non-existent in regional areas.

Look up W-CDMA, it's basically UTMS which IMO=GSM

Too bad considering that they're already rolling out HSDPA, funny that they're already doing HSDPA in the states when most people are on GPRS. :laugh:

W-CDMA handsets won't work with GSM, and vice versa. So no, W-CDMA doesn't equal GSM for any practical purpose.

EDIT: wiki: More technically, W-CDMA is a wideband spread-spectrum mobile air interface that utilizes the direct sequence Code Division Multiple Access signalling method (or CDMA) to achieve higher speeds and support more users compared to the older TDMA signalling method of GSM networks.

EDIT2: you have no idea what you're talking about ;)

wiki: In Australia, telecommunication giant Telstra launched their UMTS 3G network named NextG on the 850Mhz band using HSDPA in October 2006


Sorry, you don't know what you're talking about...

W-CDMA was developed by NTT DoCoMo as the air interface for their 3G network FOMA. Later NTT DoCoMo submitted the specification to the International Telecommunication Union (ITU) as a candidate for the international 3G standard known as IMT-2000. The ITU eventually accepted W-CDMA as part of the IMT-2000 family of 3G standards, as an alternative to CDMA2000, EDGE, and the short range DECT system. Later, W-CDMA was selected as the air interface for UMTS, the 3G successor to GSM.

Dude, you said W-CDMA=GSM. It doesn't. Plain & Simple. It's actually CDMA based whereas GSM is TDMA (as i posted, if you bothered to read what i posted at any stage in this thread).

The fact it's the successor of GSM has nothing to do with anything you initially said ;)

You then made some inane comments about HSPDA, that just make no sense at all, however you slice them.

In my eyes, it's basically GSM because UMTS headsets are backward compatible with GSM headsets, you don't have the backward compatibility with CDMA networks..


UMTS phones work on GSM and UMTS networks, UMTS phones however don't work on CDMA networks, therefore I'd consider W-CDMA to be GSM because it provides the backward compatibility. If you want to get technical and talk about how they're different technologies, be my guest, but you'll be the only one discussing it.

And my comments aren't inane about HSDPA, it's funny because most phones in the US only support GPRS and they're now effectively skipping two steps, UMTS and EDGE, sure HSDPA is UMTS but the original speeds of UMTS are far slower than HSDPA. The 4G sucessor will be based off of UMTS as well.

I think we're close to understanding each other now ;)

I assume GSM phones don't work on W-CDMA networks, since old skool GSM is TDMA, right?

EDIT: i have to admit i'm still a little confused about your HSPDA comments :eek:
 

SparkyJJO

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Would the next person who quotes all that please clean it up a little, getting a bit hard to read all that nested stuff ;)
 

Philippine Mango

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Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: dug777
On the upside, even tho i'm on prepaid, they're offering free GSM handsets if you exchange it now, and closer to the time they'll be offering free 3G handsets for those who use their phones outside existing GSM coverage (like little me)...a small consolation i suppose, but i'm very happy with my current mobile :p

They've spent years and millions rolling CDMA out, especially in regional areas, and having only completed the roll-out recently, they're going to start converting them to W-CDMA (a 3G) :| I've heard that they can use ~80% of the existing components in the CDMA towers when they convert them, so i guess it must make sense to someone out there...

It's not as if CDMA 1x is useless tho :confused:

Wait, what? So they're converting it to GSM? Well personally I hate CDMA, I'm glad to see GSM becoming more universal as it should be, now if they would only kill of CDMA in the states...

No.

Like i said, W-CDMA. We already have a GSM network that will continue for a while yet, but it is practically non-existent in regional areas.

Look up W-CDMA, it's basically UTMS which IMO=GSM

Too bad considering that they're already rolling out HSDPA, funny that they're already doing HSDPA in the states when most people are on GPRS. :laugh:

W-CDMA handsets won't work with GSM, and vice versa. So no, W-CDMA doesn't equal GSM for any practical purpose.

EDIT: wiki: More technically, W-CDMA is a wideband spread-spectrum mobile air interface that utilizes the direct sequence Code Division Multiple Access signalling method (or CDMA) to achieve higher speeds and support more users compared to the older TDMA signalling method of GSM networks.

EDIT2: you have no idea what you're talking about ;)

wiki: In Australia, telecommunication giant Telstra launched their UMTS 3G network named NextG on the 850Mhz band using HSDPA in October 2006


Sorry, you don't know what you're talking about...

W-CDMA was developed by NTT DoCoMo as the air interface for their 3G network FOMA. Later NTT DoCoMo submitted the specification to the International Telecommunication Union (ITU) as a candidate for the international 3G standard known as IMT-2000. The ITU eventually accepted W-CDMA as part of the IMT-2000 family of 3G standards, as an alternative to CDMA2000, EDGE, and the short range DECT system. Later, W-CDMA was selected as the air interface for UMTS, the 3G successor to GSM.

Dude, you said W-CDMA=GSM. It doesn't. Plain & Simple. It's actually CDMA based whereas GSM is TDMA (as i posted, if you bothered to read what i posted at any stage in this thread).

The fact it's the successor of GSM has nothing to do with anything you initially said ;)

You then made some inane comments about HSPDA, that just make no sense at all, however you slice them.

In my eyes, it's basically GSM because UMTS headsets are backward compatible with GSM headsets, you don't have the backward compatibility with CDMA networks..


UMTS phones work on GSM and UMTS networks, UMTS phones however don't work on CDMA networks, therefore I'd consider W-CDMA to be GSM because it provides the backward compatibility. If you want to get technical and talk about how they're different technologies, be my guest, but you'll be the only one discussing it.

And my comments aren't inane about HSDPA, it's funny because most phones in the US only support GPRS and they're now effectively skipping two steps, UMTS and EDGE, sure HSDPA is UMTS but the original speeds of UMTS are far slower than HSDPA. The 4G sucessor will be based off of UMTS as well.

I think we're close to understanding each other now ;)

I assume GSM phones don't work on W-CDMA networks, since old skool GSM is TDMA, right?

EDIT: i have to admit i'm still a little confused about your HSPDA comments :eek:

If I recall correctly, W-CDMA networks are backwards compatible with GSM phones.
I find it funny for a network to force people to stick with an old technology such as GPRS (2.5G) (which has pisspoor internet speeds) for so long only to now skip EDGE (2.75G) and UMTS (3G) to go straight to HSDPA (3G but IMO more like 3.5G due to the huge speed increase).

HSDPA is base off of UMTS, you need a UMTS tower first to 'patch on' HSDPA which is a fairly cheap and easy upgrade to do. UMTS has 500KB down, EDGE is more like 100KB down and GPRS in my experience is the equivalent of 28K modem 'cept with the really high latency and sometimes even slower at 14K or 9600...

THATS WHY ITS FUNNY! HA HA

HA

:)

I can't wait to get an HSDPA phone.. Though it's too bad because the next technology suceeding this will have 50Mb/100Mb connections and will work to reduce latency to a reasonable level..

 

dug777

Lifer
Oct 13, 2004
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Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Originally posted by: dug777
On the upside, even tho i'm on prepaid, they're offering free GSM handsets if you exchange it now, and closer to the time they'll be offering free 3G handsets for those who use their phones outside existing GSM coverage (like little me)...a small consolation i suppose, but i'm very happy with my current mobile :p

They've spent years and millions rolling CDMA out, especially in regional areas, and having only completed the roll-out recently, they're going to start converting them to W-CDMA (a 3G) :| I've heard that they can use ~80% of the existing components in the CDMA towers when they convert them, so i guess it must make sense to someone out there...

It's not as if CDMA 1x is useless tho :confused:

Wait, what? So they're converting it to GSM? Well personally I hate CDMA, I'm glad to see GSM becoming more universal as it should be, now if they would only kill of CDMA in the states...

No.

Like i said, W-CDMA. We already have a GSM network that will continue for a while yet, but it is practically non-existent in regional areas.

Look up W-CDMA, it's basically UTMS which IMO=GSM

Too bad considering that they're already rolling out HSDPA, funny that they're already doing HSDPA in the states when most people are on GPRS. :laugh:

W-CDMA handsets won't work with GSM, and vice versa. So no, W-CDMA doesn't equal GSM for any practical purpose.

EDIT: wiki: More technically, W-CDMA is a wideband spread-spectrum mobile air interface that utilizes the direct sequence Code Division Multiple Access signalling method (or CDMA) to achieve higher speeds and support more users compared to the older TDMA signalling method of GSM networks.

EDIT2: you have no idea what you're talking about ;)

wiki: In Australia, telecommunication giant Telstra launched their UMTS 3G network named NextG on the 850Mhz band using HSDPA in October 2006


Sorry, you don't know what you're talking about...

W-CDMA was developed by NTT DoCoMo as the air interface for their 3G network FOMA. Later NTT DoCoMo submitted the specification to the International Telecommunication Union (ITU) as a candidate for the international 3G standard known as IMT-2000. The ITU eventually accepted W-CDMA as part of the IMT-2000 family of 3G standards, as an alternative to CDMA2000, EDGE, and the short range DECT system. Later, W-CDMA was selected as the air interface for UMTS, the 3G successor to GSM.

Dude, you said W-CDMA=GSM. It doesn't. Plain & Simple. It's actually CDMA based whereas GSM is TDMA (as i posted, if you bothered to read what i posted at any stage in this thread).

The fact it's the successor of GSM has nothing to do with anything you initially said ;)

You then made some inane comments about HSPDA, that just make no sense at all, however you slice them.

In my eyes, it's basically GSM because UMTS headsets are backward compatible with GSM headsets, you don't have the backward compatibility with CDMA networks..


UMTS phones work on GSM and UMTS networks, UMTS phones however don't work on CDMA networks, therefore I'd consider W-CDMA to be GSM because it provides the backward compatibility. If you want to get technical and talk about how they're different technologies, be my guest, but you'll be the only one discussing it.

And my comments aren't inane about HSDPA, it's funny because most phones in the US only support GPRS and they're now effectively skipping two steps, UMTS and EDGE, sure HSDPA is UMTS but the original speeds of UMTS are far slower than HSDPA. The 4G sucessor will be based off of UMTS as well.

I think we're close to understanding each other now ;)

I assume GSM phones don't work on W-CDMA networks, since old skool GSM is TDMA, right?

EDIT: i have to admit i'm still a little confused about your HSPDA comments :eek:

If I recall correctly, W-CDMA networks are backwards compatible with GSM phones.
I find it funny for a network to force people to stick with an old technology such as GPRS (2.5G) (which has pisspoor internet speeds) for so long only to now skip EDGE (2.75G) and UMTS (3G) to go straight to HSDPA (3G but IMO more like 3.5G due to the huge speed increase).

HSDPA is base off of UMTS, you need a UMTS tower first to 'patch on' HSDPA which is a fairly cheap and easy upgrade to do. UMTS has 500KB down, EDGE is more like 100KB down and GPRS in my experience is the equivalent of 28K modem 'cept with the really high latency and sometimes even slower at 14K or 9600...

THATS WHY ITS FUNNY! HA HA

HA

:)

I can't wait to get an HSDPA phone.. Though it's too bad because the next technology suceeding this will have 50Mb/100Mb connections and will work to reduce latency to a reasonable level..

I recall reading that CDMA 1x was pretty damn fast for that stuff back when i bought the phone, but i've never used it as a modem or anything like that.

I have to admit i belong to the 'make calls, take calls, send texts, receive texts' phone use group :eek:
 

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Originally posted by: dug777

I recall reading that CDMA 1x was pretty damn fast for that stuff back when i bought the phone, but i've never used it as a modem or anything like that.

I have to admit i belong to the 'make calls, take calls, send texts, receive texts' phone use group :eek:

1xRTT was better than GSM's then-offerings, just like EV-DO is better than EDGE and EVDO rev A is better than whatever other craptacular thing the gsm boys are rolling out. hey gsm, i see you've finally caught up with the civilized world and gone code division!
 

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: dug777

I recall reading that CDMA 1x was pretty damn fast for that stuff back when i bought the phone, but i've never used it as a modem or anything like that.

I have to admit i belong to the 'make calls, take calls, send texts, receive texts' phone use group :eek:

1xRTT was better than GSM's then-offerings, just like EV-DO is better than EDGE and EVDO rev A is better than whatever other craptacular thing the gsm boys are rolling out. hey gsm, i see you've finally caught up with the civilized world and gone code division!

I never owned a GSM or analogue mobile, my first evar was this one :)

It's going to be a sad day when it loses signal forever :(x777