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Baghdad shooting victims sue Blackwater

techs

Lifer
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/200...raq_blackwater_suit_dc

An injured survivor and relatives of three Iraqis killed in Baghdad on September 16 when employees of private security company Blackwater USA opened fire on civilians sued the firm in U.S. court on Thursday.

The Center for Constitutional Rights, a legal advocacy group, said it filed the suit charging that Blackwater and its affiliates violated U.S. law in committing "extrajudicial killings and war crimes."

The killing of 17 Iraqis in the Baghdad incident created tensions between the Iraqi government and Washington and sparked calls for tighter controls on private contractors, who are immune from prosecution in Iraq.

The suit charges that Blackwater "created and fostered a culture of lawlessness amongst its employees, encouraging them to act in the company's financial interests at the expense of innocent human life."

The suit was filed in the names of Talib Mutlaq Deewan, injured in the incident, and the estates of Himoud Saed Atban, Usama Fadhil Abbass and Oday Ismail Ibraheem. It seeks unspecified compensatory damages for death, physical, mental and economic injuries, and punitive damages.

Those bringing the suit also want to compel the testimony of Blackwater founder and ex-Navy SEAL Erik Prince, who told Congress last week that his staff had acted appropriately in the incident and had returned fire at threatening targets.

"We look forward to forcing Blackwater and Mr. Prince to tell the world under oath why this attack happened," said Susan Burke, an attorney representing the suing Iraqis.

The Iraqi government has accused Blackwater of deliberately killing the 17. A government source has said Baghdad wants Blackwater to pay $8 million in compensation to each victim's family.





Interesting strategy. Blackwater is not the U.S. government so they should be liable for any damages they cause.
 
Heh, glad to see the Iraqis embracing the benefits of a free society 🙂

But this shouldn't just be a civil matter, if they are guilty, they are guilty of a crime...and since it happened in Iraq, I think it's only fair that they get tried there. Having special immunity from Iraqi law makes a mockery of the democracy we're trying to create there. At the very least, try them in a criminal court in the US.
 
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Heh, glad to see the Iraqis embracing the benefits of a free society 🙂

But this shouldn't just be a civil matter, if they are guilty, they are guilty of a crime...and since it happened in Iraq, I think it's only fair that they get tried there. Having special immunity from Iraqi law makes a mockery of the democracy we're trying to create there. At the very least, try them in a criminal court in the US.


Who'd have thought that OJ was still relevant?
 
Yes, but this is the US where Blackwater has lots of high-power lawyers. The mothers of the 4 that died in Fallujah has still not seen their day in court yet. I do not think this will have the outcome you are hoping.
 
Originally posted by: maddogchen
Yes, but this is the US where Blackwater has lots of high-power lawyers. The mothers of the 4 that died in Fallujah has still not seen their day in court yet. I do not think this will have the outcome you are hoping.

Actually, at the least, I am hoping for a public trial where Americans can hear the evidence.

 
Originally posted by: Nebor
It didn't happen in America. No American court has jurisdiction over this matter.
I wish I could find the thread supporting Dog the Bounty Hunter going to Mexico and bring back that sicko. Seems no one had any problem with that.
I wonder what people would say if some Iraqi court charged some Blackwater guys, and some bounty hunters came to America from Iraq.......

 
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: Nebor
It didn't happen in America. No American court has jurisdiction over this matter.
I wish I could find the thread supporting Dog the Bounty Hunter going to Mexico and bring back that sicko. Seems no one had any problem with that.
I wonder what people would say if some Iraqi court charged some Blackwater guys, and some bounty hunters came to America from Iraq.......

Do you not understand that America is righteous? We have the power to do things the way we want. If Iraqi bounty hunters came here, they'd get their asses shot off.

We can do things that other nations can't. I find no hypocrisy in "Do as I say, not as I do." We know better.
 
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: Nebor
It didn't happen in America. No American court has jurisdiction over this matter.
I wish I could find the thread supporting Dog the Bounty Hunter going to Mexico and bring back that sicko. Seems no one had any problem with that.
I wonder what people would say if some Iraqi court charged some Blackwater guys, and some bounty hunters came to America from Iraq.......

Do you not understand that America is righteous? We have the power to do things the way we want. If Iraqi bounty hunters came here, they'd get their asses shot off.

We can do things that other nations can't. I find no hypocrisy in "Do as I say, not as I do." We know better.

Do you have any friends? Human friends?
 
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: Nebor
It didn't happen in America. No American court has jurisdiction over this matter.
I wish I could find the thread supporting Dog the Bounty Hunter going to Mexico and bring back that sicko. Seems no one had any problem with that.
I wonder what people would say if some Iraqi court charged some Blackwater guys, and some bounty hunters came to America from Iraq.......

Do you not understand that America is righteous? We have the power to do things the way we want. If Iraqi bounty hunters came here, they'd get their asses shot off.

We can do things that other nations can't. I find no hypocrisy in "Do as I say, not as I do." We know better.

wait... we're righteous because we have the power to do things the way we want? hahaha what an idiot statement.

you don't find hypocrisy in any of this? we go there and kill people and they shoot at us and THEY'RE the bad guys. however, if they had the power to do whatever they wanted to and they wanted the way they wanted and decided to come to america and kill people, we'd shoot them and they'd STILL be the bad guys?

i honestly think you're either dumb as shit or just a really horrible person.
 
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: Nebor
It didn't happen in America. No American court has jurisdiction over this matter.
I wish I could find the thread supporting Dog the Bounty Hunter going to Mexico and bring back that sicko. Seems no one had any problem with that.
I wonder what people would say if some Iraqi court charged some Blackwater guys, and some bounty hunters came to America from Iraq.......

Do you not understand that America is righteous? We have the power to do things the way we want. If Iraqi bounty hunters came here, they'd get their asses shot off.

We can do things that other nations can't. I find no hypocrisy in "Do as I say, not as I do." We know better.

Haha holy shit that's idiotic.

No, just no Nebor. We are not righteous. We do not know better.

Keep up the trolling, it's great entertainment.
 
Originally posted by: Sinsear
How exactly do Iraqi citizen have rights to sue in our court system?

If our citizens murdered them then why not?

Unless you want them hanged like Saddam?
 
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: Nebor
I find no hypocrisy in "Do as I say, not as I do."

Sigworthy.

Do you not realize that Nebor is the biggest troll in these forums?

He would have easily signed for anything Hitler proposed if he were a blonde haired blue-eyed German during the war
 
Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: Nebor
It didn't happen in America. No American court has jurisdiction over this matter.
I wish I could find the thread supporting Dog the Bounty Hunter going to Mexico and bring back that sicko. Seems no one had any problem with that.
I wonder what people would say if some Iraqi court charged some Blackwater guys, and some bounty hunters came to America from Iraq.......

Do you not understand that America is righteous? We have the power to do things the way we want. If Iraqi bounty hunters came here, they'd get their asses shot off.

We can do things that other nations can't. I find no hypocrisy in "Do as I say, not as I do." We know better.

wait... we're righteous because we have the power to do things the way we want? hahaha what an idiot statement.

you don't find hypocrisy in any of this? we go there and kill people and they shoot at us and THEY'RE the bad guys. however, if they had the power to do whatever they wanted to and they wanted the way they wanted and decided to come to america and kill people, we'd shoot them and they'd STILL be the bad guys?

i honestly think you're either dumb as shit or just a really horrible person.

It seems almost like you understand the concept of perspective. We (America) will always be the good guys, because we are Americans. Those that seek to destroy us will always be the bad guys.
 
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: Nebor
It didn't happen in America. No American court has jurisdiction over this matter.
I wish I could find the thread supporting Dog the Bounty Hunter going to Mexico and bring back that sicko. Seems no one had any problem with that.
I wonder what people would say if some Iraqi court charged some Blackwater guys, and some bounty hunters came to America from Iraq.......

Do you not understand that America is righteous? We have the power to do things the way we want. If Iraqi bounty hunters came here, they'd get their asses shot off.

We can do things that other nations can't. I find no hypocrisy in "Do as I say, not as I do." We know better.

wait... we're righteous because we have the power to do things the way we want? hahaha what an idiot statement.

you don't find hypocrisy in any of this? we go there and kill people and they shoot at us and THEY'RE the bad guys. however, if they had the power to do whatever they wanted to and they wanted the way they wanted and decided to come to america and kill people, we'd shoot them and they'd STILL be the bad guys?

i honestly think you're either dumb as shit or just a really horrible person.

It seems almost like you understand the concept of perspective. We (America) will always be the good guys, because we are Americans. Those that seek to destroy us will always be the bad guys.

ok, now i know that you're just full of shens. you're obviously trying to act like a stephen colbert character to mock the neocons 🙂
 
Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: Nebor
It didn't happen in America. No American court has jurisdiction over this matter.
I wish I could find the thread supporting Dog the Bounty Hunter going to Mexico and bring back that sicko. Seems no one had any problem with that.
I wonder what people would say if some Iraqi court charged some Blackwater guys, and some bounty hunters came to America from Iraq.......

Do you not understand that America is righteous? We have the power to do things the way we want. If Iraqi bounty hunters came here, they'd get their asses shot off.

We can do things that other nations can't. I find no hypocrisy in "Do as I say, not as I do." We know better.

wait... we're righteous because we have the power to do things the way we want? hahaha what an idiot statement.

you don't find hypocrisy in any of this? we go there and kill people and they shoot at us and THEY'RE the bad guys. however, if they had the power to do whatever they wanted to and they wanted the way they wanted and decided to come to america and kill people, we'd shoot them and they'd STILL be the bad guys?

i honestly think you're either dumb as shit or just a really horrible person.

It seems almost like you understand the concept of perspective. We (America) will always be the good guys, because we are Americans. Those that seek to destroy us will always be the bad guys.

ok, now i know that you're just full of shens. you're obviously trying to act like a stephen colbert character to mock the neocons 🙂

I just understand the war mentality. They are the bad guys. I don't shed any tears when they die. And I certainly wouldn't lock up Americans for killing them.
 
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: Nebor
It didn't happen in America. No American court has jurisdiction over this matter.
I wish I could find the thread supporting Dog the Bounty Hunter going to Mexico and bring back that sicko. Seems no one had any problem with that.
I wonder what people would say if some Iraqi court charged some Blackwater guys, and some bounty hunters came to America from Iraq.......

Do you not understand that America is righteous? We have the power to do things the way we want. If Iraqi bounty hunters came here, they'd get their asses shot off.

We can do things that other nations can't. I find no hypocrisy in "Do as I say, not as I do." We know better.

Come on who are you really? I'm starting to think you're a plant to point out the worst qualities of the neocons.

You wouldn't know righteous if it bit you in the face. 😛
 
Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: Stoneburner
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21163806/site/newsweek/

What the goddamn fuck? These mercs disarmed american soldiers?

ok now this pisses me off, not only more so at BW but at the soldiers who surrendered.

No kidding. Those are our troops, they're the military authority, not blackwater.

And unless I read this wrong, it seems like the blackwater SUV crashed into the Humvee.
 
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: Nebor
It didn't happen in America. No American court has jurisdiction over this matter.
I wish I could find the thread supporting Dog the Bounty Hunter going to Mexico and bring back that sicko. Seems no one had any problem with that.
I wonder what people would say if some Iraqi court charged some Blackwater guys, and some bounty hunters came to America from Iraq.......

WTH are you talking about?

The guy Dog was after committed his crimes INSIDE the USA. I think he had also been tried in a US court etc. Your analogy makes no sense whatsoever.

If BW can be sued in US courts for things done over there, well that's the end IMO. The risk of liability will too great to pursue that business any more.

Fern
 
Due to the way GWB&co. set up the Iraqi occupation with Bremer being the main empowered idiot, mercenaries operate entirely without any supervising laws. And sadly its unconstitutional to have retroactive laws. Maybe the US taxpayer should be liable morally, but I doubt these murdered Iraqis will get a proper day in court.

But my position is and remains, private mercenaries hired by US taxpayer supported funds is a bad idea. I don't think we should reform the system by making news laws making them accountable for future outrages, and I do advocate kicking all private mercenaries out ASAP, and making it illegal for them to be tax payer subsidized in future.

Its a bad idea that has predictably gone wrong. Learn lesson, move on. And yes, the US government should pay the victims, easily repaid by the savings in canceled contracts.
 
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