Bagged Lettuce E Coli warning:10-8-06 New Warning - This time it is lettuce

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Originally posted by: conjur
Does this cover frozen spinach or the fresh kind in the vegetable section?

Nope. Just the bagged stuff. And even then it was limited to a specific brand. (don't remember off the top of my head)
 

catnap1972

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Were the terrorists behind this somehow? (It had to be said) :p

And shouldn't we be planning on invading another country to punish them for this grievous wrong that they have (or maybe not, but whocares) committed? ;)
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Were the terrorists behind this somehow? (It had to be said) :p

That would almost be funny...if we didn't all know that Bush was behind this somehow. :shocked:
 

ericlp

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It takes up to 9 days to feel the effects. It doesn't happen over night... So, keep eating your spinach.
 

senseamp

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Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: senseamp
Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: senseamp
Hmm. Do people wash bagged spinach? I just assumed it was prewashed.
Anyhow 94 sick and 1 dead is no reason to throw away perfectly good spinach, IMO.
From ABC News

If you aren't sure YOUR bagged spinach isn't part of the recall from Natural Selection Foods, and you don't think that's a reason to toss it, I'd have to ask if you've ever heard of the Darwin Awards?
We salute the improvement of the human genome by honoring those who remove themselves from it. Of necessity, this honor is generally bestowed posthumously.
Are you volunteering to be a nominee? :shocked:

We are all nominees, whether we volunteer or not.
Maybe someone gets scared of spinach, buys lettuce instead and chokes on it. Then who'll be the Darwin award winner?
There's little most people can do to avoid the odds of encountering some obscure misfortune, but the odds are strongly in against those who volunteer for idiocy by ignoring the big flashing warning signs. Which are you? :p


Yes, I ignore the big flashing warning sign saying "1 in 300,000,000 chance of dying from e-coli" ahead.
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: senseamp
Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: senseamp
There's little most people can do to avoid the odds of encountering some obscure misfortune, but the odds are strongly in against those who volunteer for idiocy by ignoring the big flashing warning signs. Which are you? :p

Yes, I ignore the big flashing warning sign saying "1 in 300,000,000 chance of dying from e-coli" ahead.
When it comes to the possiblity of dying, that one chance is the one that can get you. Unless you've got some strange condition where you'll die without eating some packaged spinach, or some other up side that's worth even a small risk, all you're going to do with further posts like that is convince us you're among the mathmatically challenged and a natural for a Darwin Award. :roll:
 

senseamp

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Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: senseamp
Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: senseamp
There's little most people can do to avoid the odds of encountering some obscure misfortune, but the odds are strongly in against those who volunteer for idiocy by ignoring the big flashing warning signs. Which are you? :p

Yes, I ignore the big flashing warning sign saying "1 in 300,000,000 chance of dying from e-coli" ahead.
When it comes to the possiblity of dying, that one chance is the one that can get you. Unless you've got some strange condition where you'll die without eating some packaged spinach, or some other up side that's worth even a small risk, all you're going to do with further posts like that is convince us you're among the mathmatically challenged and a natural for a Darwin Award. :roll:

It would be interesting to find out how many people were killed in accidents on their way to the store to return their spinach.
 

Aegeon

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Originally posted by: senseamp
Yes, I ignore the big flashing warning sign saying "1 in 300,000,000 chance of dying from e-coli" ahead.
You clearly suck at math. Even your random chances of dying of e-coli without doing anything risky are higher than that over a prolonged period of time.

So far only one person has been killed by this outbreak, but some of the rest of the at least 100 people sickened by e-coli during this may still die. (Its likely to end up being a significantly higher total sickened number since the recall just happened yesterday and it takes nine days for some people to get sick. There are still likely to be plenty of people who get somewhat sick but never get diagnossed formally and included in the numbers for this outbreak.)

Its pretty safe to say only a couple hundred-thousand people at most have eaten the specific infected brands during the period of risk, so anyway you calculate it your odds of dying are much higher than you are thinking they are. Most of us also think that being gravely ill for days is an inconvenience we'd rather avoid even if we don't die.

While the odds may suggest you are more likely not to get sick, they also are clearly high enough that you should take this warning seriously and avoid eating the recalled brands. Its not like your spinach cost you 100,000 dollars to buy. You clearly are asking for a Darwin Award if you continue to eat the spinach after being warning of the danger in this instance.
 

judasmachine

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Just out of curiousity would this affect Subway also? I eat there fairly often, and have replaced the lettuce with the baby spinach.
 

alchemize

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LOL I can't believe they stickied this. Edit - NM - now it looks like it lost it's stickie. Or perhaps I was seeing things...

I demand a West Nile virus stickie! And one for Aspirin!

Where's my botulism thread - it's more prevalent than this!

Incidence (annual) of Botulism food poisoning: 154 annual cases notified in USA 1999 including 23 foodborne, 92 infant, and 39 other (MMWR 1999)
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: alchemize
LOL I can't believe they stickied this. Edit - NM - now it looks like it lost it's stickie. Or perhaps I was seeing things...

I demand a West Nile virus stickie! And one for Aspirin!

Where's my botulism thread - it's more prevalent than this!

Incidence (annual) of Botulism food poisoning: 154 annual cases notified in USA 1999 including 23 foodborne, 92 infant, and 39 other (MMWR 1999)

9-17-2006 Number of E. coli spinach cases hits 109

SAN FRANCISCO - The number of people sickened by an E. coli outbreak traced to tainted spinach rose to 109 on Sunday, as federal officials announced more brands recalling their products.

"This is unquestionably a significant outbreak in terms of E. coli," said Dr. David Acheson, chief medical officer with the Food and Drug Administration's Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition.

In Ohio, state health officials said they were investigating the death of a 23-month-old girl who was sickened by E. coli to determine whether the case was related to the outbreak. The girl's mother said she often buys bagged spinach.
 
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Meh at Chilis last night had spinich eggrolls and spinich and artichoke dip. I figure all the fats, cholesterol, and preservatives in our food will kill me before the e coli will.
 

alchemize

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Cooked spinach is fine.

From what I heard on NPR, they are focused on Dole, not the organic stuff. I just want my spinach back :( Shelves are cleaned out which means the bundled stuff is sold out too fast.
 

Ricochet

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This is the only time that I am legitimately glad that I rarely eat greens. I don't even remember the last time I was in the general vicinity of spinach.

Honestly, if you're healthy you have very little to fear. Ecoli seems to be fatal only to the very young or very old. Of course, it is better to err on the side of caution.
 

DealMonkey

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Oh hey, guess what? Turns out the federal subsidy-sucking farmers were warned in November that this exact thing was going to happen!

Farmers given sharp warning before outbreak
Contaminated irrigation water suspected in series of E. coli episodes


SAN FRANCISCO - Federal health officials told California farmers to improve produce safety in a pointed warning letter last November, nearly a year before the multistate E. coli outbreak linked to spinach.


In fact, the current food-poisoning episode is the 20th since 1995 linked to spinach or lettuce, the Food and Drug Administration said.

Linkage

Perhaps warnings are too easily ignored by the spinach farmers, perhaps those morons will respond to multi-million $ lawsuits against them?

I guess we'll find out shortly . . .
 

alchemize

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"The company said the manufacturing codes turned over to health officials from packages of spinach that had infected patients all were from non-organic spinach."

That's good to hear - I would hate to see organic foods take a step back...

I would guess that the organic farmers have different irrigation methods, probably keeps the human poopie off the spinach.
 

DealMonkey

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Me too. And this is just a reminder that I need to start buying more organic foods. Although to put this in perspective, our standard food system has been remarkably safe over the years if you think about how many incidents like this have occurred.
 

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Originally posted by: judasmachine
Just out of curiousity would this affect Subway also? I eat there fairly often, and have replaced the lettuce with the baby spinach.

The Subway in my area still uses lettuce.
 

dmcowen674

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10-6-2006 3rd E. coli death confirmed in Neb. lady

OMAHA, Neb. - An elderly woman who died in late August was infected with E. coli after eating fresh spinach, bringing to three the number of people who have perished in a nationwide outbreak of the bacteria, health officials said Friday.

The woman, who was in her 80s, ate spinach contaminated with the same strain of E. coli that has sickened at least 190 other people around the country, state health officials said.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention confirmed that the woman's death had been linked to the outbreak.

The news came a day after Idaho health officials confirmed that a 2-year-old boy had died from eating contaminated greens. Tainted spinach also killed an elderly Wisconsin woman.
 

winr

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Originally posted by: alchemize
"The company said the manufacturing codes turned over to health officials from packages of spinach that had infected patients all were from non-organic spinach."

That's good to hear - I would hate to see organic foods take a step back...

I would guess that the organic farmers have different irrigation methods, probably keeps the human poopie off the spinach.


Ooo....tell me they dont use Human poopie on spinach...please....:(

I love spinach but Human poopie ???

 

aidanjm

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I tried to draw your attention to the dangers of lettuce (and other assorted salad vegatables of low nutritional value) on this very forum over a year ago... you all laughed at me :|

now who's laughing? :p