Background checks at gun shows?

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: BouZouki

Originally posted by: randalee
I own property. If I want to sell my property to you, it's none of anyone else's business. Private sales are completely legal. To me it's no different than if I wanted to sell you land, an air compressor, a vehicle, a horse, or anything else I want to sell to you. It's my property and it's going to become your property.

Do I need to document that in any way? Nope. Should I need to get approval from someone else to make sure you are 'good'? Silly. Would I want to document it in some way? Perhaps, but that is between me and you, and nobody else.

I hope you sell your guns to a nutjob that comes back and kills your dog for ripping him off.

Who said anything about ripping anybody off? You anti-gun freaks just imagine shit out of thin air. What a bunch of kooks.

 

[daishi5]

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: randalee
I own property. If I want to sell my property to you, it's none of anyone else's business. Private sales are completely legal. To me it's no different than if I wanted to sell you land, an air compressor, a vehicle, a horse, or anything else I want to sell to you. It's my property and it's going to become your property.

Do I need to document that in any way? Nope. Should I need to get approval from someone else to make sure you are 'good'? Silly. Would I want to document it in some way? Perhaps, but that is between me and you, and nobody else.

You're right. Selling someone a gun is no different than selling them a pen or school bus. You shouldn't even bother checking their background. In fact, may I suggest that you start selling more guns to people sans background checks? Like - all the time? Maybe in some sort of mobile capacity - like a van or the trunk of a car?

Do you know anything about the illegal arms trade in America? You seem very gung ho to make changes and laws to fix the problem, but you seem to be horribly ignorant about the problem. Your like a doctor prescribing drugs without even examining the patient.

 

[Jschmuck2]

Originally posted by: daishi5

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2

Originally posted by: randalee
I own property. If I want to sell my property to you, it's none of anyone else's business. Private sales are completely legal. To me it's no different than if I wanted to sell you land, an air compressor, a vehicle, a horse, or anything else I want to sell to you. It's my property and it's going to become your property.

Do I need to document that in any way? Nope. Should I need to get approval from someone else to make sure you are 'good'? Silly. Would I want to document it in some way? Perhaps, but that is between me and you, and nobody else.

You're right. Selling someone a gun is no different than selling them a pen or school bus. You shouldn't even bother checking their background. In fact, may I suggest that you start selling more guns to people sans background checks? Like - all the time? Maybe in some sort of mobile capacity - like a van or the trunk of a car?

Do you know anything about the illegal arms trade in America? You seem very gung ho to make changes and laws to fix the problem, but you seem to be horribly ignorant about the problem. Your like a doctor prescribing drugs without even examining the patient.

I am an expert. That why I'm prescribing a large dose of guns for everyone. I think there aren't enough guns.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: BouZouki

Originally posted by: randalee
I own property. If I want to sell my property to you, it's none of anyone else's business. Private sales are completely legal. To me it's no different than if I wanted to sell you land, an air compressor, a vehicle, a horse, or anything else I want to sell to you. It's my property and it's going to become your property.

Do I need to document that in any way? Nope. Should I need to get approval from someone else to make sure you are 'good'? Silly. Would I want to document it in some way? Perhaps, but that is between me and you, and nobody else.

I hope you sell your guns to a nutjob that comes back and kills your dog for ripping him off.

Who said anything about ripping anybody off? You anti-gun freaks just imagine shit out of thin air. What a bunch of kooks.

It's a sarcastic comment and you bother getting so worked up about it that you're arguing it by calling people anti-gun freaks?

Certain transactions get recorded and certain ones don't. Selling you my pen obviously doesn't require much, but like I said vehicle sales do. The reason we should document transfers like this is because the primary purpose of a gun is to kill, and if we document things like cars, it's probably more important to document a potentially more dangerous item.

 

[Venix]

Originally posted by: DLeRium

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Listen up halfwit, I'm trying to have a rational discussion here but you just keep spewing the same bullshit the NRA feeds you over and over.

pssst, hey Jules... those are called actual facts and figures; which, if I recall correctly, are what one is supposed to use to prove any point. I know that facts can sometimes be pesky little things to argue against, but you're going to have to give it the 'ole college try, m'kay?

good luck.

pssst, hey palehorse... i am merely saying that i think people shouldn't be allowed to sell a highly regulated and lethal item like a handgun privately without the buyer going through a background check which has nothing whatsoever to do with disarming law abiding citizens or making guns illegal.

I think the most pathetic part of this entire argument is the irrational risk assessment. Too many people hear "gun" and stop thinking. Recently, there was a thread about someone babysitting for someone else, and the others refused to send their kids over because the babysitter had a locked gun in the house. What anyone with a reasonable amount of risk assessment should be saying is "I'm not letting Johnny play at your house any more, because you have a swimming pool", not "I"m not letting Johnny play at your house because you have a locked gun." The sensationalism about gun crimes has really clouded people's judgments about relative risks.

And, your crap about "highly regulated and lethal item" - FAR more cars kill people in the United States each year than guns. The bullshit type of language you're using " highly regulated and lethal item" - that's just an emotional response that shows you have an agenda. Should people do a background check before selling their used cars? Which is more likely - selling a gun at nearly retail value to someone who later uses it in a crime? Or selling a car to someone with a drinking problem who later is involved in a DWI accident? There are several hundred million guns in the U.S. right now. What percent of all guns are used in crimes?

These are the same points used over and over again. Except let's look at this. What is the purpose of a car? Of all the things that a CAR is used to do, and what we use it for, where does "running people over" stand? Somewhere near the bottom of the list because there are probably 10,000 other things we use and choose to use our car for. Now what is a GUN used for? Self defense? Self defense by what? Having the ability to kill. We have plenty of regulation on cars, and we track transfers of vehicles, so why can't we track guns and have background checks? This once again has NOTHING to do with taking your firearm away.

Vehicles are regulated for use on public roads. You can own an untitled, unregistered vehicle provided that you only use it on private property.

If you want to regulate firearms in a similar fashion (unregulated in private; licensing required for public use), you are essentially advocating concealed carry permits.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: DLeRium

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: BouZouki

Originally posted by: randalee
I own property. If I want to sell my property to you, it's none of anyone else's business. Private sales are completely legal. To me it's no different than if I wanted to sell you land, an air compressor, a vehicle, a horse, or anything else I want to sell to you. It's my property and it's going to become your property.

Do I need to document that in any way? Nope. Should I need to get approval from someone else to make sure you are 'good'? Silly. Would I want to document it in some way? Perhaps, but that is between me and you, and nobody else.

I hope you sell your guns to a nutjob that comes back and kills your dog for ripping him off.

Who said anything about ripping anybody off? You anti-gun freaks just imagine shit out of thin air. What a bunch of kooks.

It's a sarcastic comment and you bother getting so worked up about it that you're arguing it by calling people anti-gun freaks?

Certain transactions get recorded and certain ones don't. Selling you my pen obviously doesn't require much, but like I said vehicle sales do. The reason we should document transfers like this is because the primary purpose of a gun is to kill, and if we document things like cars, it's probably more important to document a potentially more dangerous item.

Who's worked up? Not me, it's the anti-gun freakshow that starts foaming at the mouth anytime the topic of guns comes up.

 

[QuantumPion]

Originally posted by: Venix

Originally posted by: DLeRium

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Listen up halfwit, I'm trying to have a rational discussion here but you just keep spewing the same bullshit the NRA feeds you over and over.

pssst, hey Jules... those are called actual facts and figures; which, if I recall correctly, are what one is supposed to use to prove any point. I know that facts can sometimes be pesky little things to argue against, but you're going to have to give it the 'ole college try, m'kay?

good luck.

pssst, hey palehorse... i am merely saying that i think people shouldn't be allowed to sell a highly regulated and lethal item like a handgun privately without the buyer going through a background check which has nothing whatsoever to do with disarming law abiding citizens or making guns illegal.

I think the most pathetic part of this entire argument is the irrational risk assessment. Too many people hear "gun" and stop thinking. Recently, there was a thread about someone babysitting for someone else, and the others refused to send their kids over because the babysitter had a locked gun in the house. What anyone with a reasonable amount of risk assessment should be saying is "I'm not letting Johnny play at your house any more, because you have a swimming pool", not "I"m not letting Johnny play at your house because you have a locked gun." The sensationalism about gun crimes has really clouded people's judgments about relative risks.

And, your crap about "highly regulated and lethal item" - FAR more cars kill people in the United States each year than guns. The bullshit type of language you're using " highly regulated and lethal item" - that's just an emotional response that shows you have an agenda. Should people do a background check before selling their used cars? Which is more likely - selling a gun at nearly retail value to someone who later uses it in a crime? Or selling a car to someone with a drinking problem who later is involved in a DWI accident? There are several hundred million guns in the U.S. right now. What percent of all guns are used in crimes?

These are the same points used over and over again. Except let's look at this. What is the purpose of a car? Of all the things that a CAR is used to do, and what we use it for, where does "running people over" stand? Somewhere near the bottom of the list because there are probably 10,000 other things we use and choose to use our car for. Now what is a GUN used for? Self defense? Self defense by what? Having the ability to kill. We have plenty of regulation on cars, and we track transfers of vehicles, so why can't we track guns and have background checks? This once again has NOTHING to do with taking your firearm away.

Vehicles are regulated for use on public roads. You can own an untitled, unregistered vehicle provided that you only use it on private property.

If you want to regulate firearms in a similar fashion (unregulated in private; licensing required for public use), you are essentially advocating concealed carry permits.

Hah, that is an awesome analogy.:thumbsup: