Back up of 500Gb data

[iwodo]

I need to archieve 500 Gb of Data. I am wondering is it best to uses 9.4Gb ( double side ) DVD - R or are there any other media that offer slight less/ higher pricefor a higher storage capacity??

I thought that DVD could hold 9.4 Gb single with double layer, are they technogically not poiisble for consumer to have it??

I heard there is a tech called OSD which allow >20Gb storage, something similar to MO drive, does anybody know anything about it??

 

[TheCorm]

How much can you get blank DVD-R's for?

Corm

 

[iwodo]

I know in USA they only cost about <$2 for 4.7 Gb... i don't know about 9.4.
In uK i could get a DVD R ( 4.7 Gb ) for £3, - £4, which is about $5 - $6. And for DVD R 9.4 Gb they are £6 which is about $8, when they add up for 500 Gb they do cost quite a lot.

 

[hamburglar]

Why don't you try tape backups? They offer tens or hundreds of GBs.

 

[iwodo]

Aren't they really slow?? And i thought this OSD thing was suppose to replace them.

Or should i wait for the Blue ray DVD write which offer 27Gb per side and coming out in 2003??

 

[WarCon]

~$330 for the drive, ~$220 for the disks (one use only disks) = $550
5 - Maxtor 120gig drives @ $143 per drive is $715 (and the disk can be used over and over) thats 600 gig before formatting.

Sure would be faster to backup to hard drives than burning all those disks..........

 

[Nefrodite]

good lord 500gb? dvdr really blows. only one layer possible. discs are expensive too. plus the pain and time required. your better off buying 5 or 10 100-120GB harddrives. they are pretty cheap now. you could backup quickly and reuse easily. dvdr or rw would take forever. tape backup is no where near 500gb last time i checked.

 

[iwodo]

but hard drive may not last for very long through...... DVD could last for 30 yaers...... that is why i want something liek tape drive, and they are slow.... looking at MO, something promosiing called OSD... but don't know when it is coming out.

 

[iwodo]

i just read there is a Flash storage that store 16Gb of Data, does any body knwo anything about them??

 

[WarCon]

16 Gig Flash

Don't think its out yet. Not until 2006 if the article is right.

I believe this technology has some promise though.

Nanotech Punch Cards

And this may be out in 2005 (if IBM decides to develop it).

 

[Mavrick007]

If you archived to hard drive and then just stored them in a dust-free box in the back of your closet then you could access them whenever you wanted and they would last many years. Even if you do transfer them to dvd, they are still delicate and will have to be stored somewhere safe. I don't think you have that much data that you want to last for 30years and even if you did, good storage will protect it for a very long time.

 

[thorin]

Do you mean 500GB (GigaByte) or 500Gb (GigaBit)??

And is that 500GB(b) compressed or not?

Thorin

 

[bwass24]

Most of my clients need to back up 100's of gigs of data on a daily basis. The best, most reliable, fastest way to do this is with a DLT IV, or DLT+ tape drive connected to the host via SCSI U160. The tapes will hold 80gb and you can back up, under normal conditions, at about 80-100MBps (about 8*the speed of a 100mbps LAN).

The best DLT tape drives are the ones made by Quantum. Compaq and HP also make good ones. The tapes and the drives are VERY reliable but you absolutely must clean the tape drive heads at the specified interval. If you don't not only will you ruin the drive's heads, but you'll also probably damage any tapes you try to use.

This isn't a cheap solution though. A DLT+ drive is about $1250 and a DLT IV drive costs about $4000. Also, the tapes go for about $70 each.

 

[sparks]

DVDR is also a slow medium taking approximately 30 minutes per disk (if you are using 2X media) or 1 hour if you buy the cheaper 1X media. Our company switched from DLT to LTO tape drives, LTO offers even greater data throughput than DLT or even SuperDLT.

 

[BeefcakeVA]

LTO is one of the best backup solutions out there atm, surpassing even SDLT in terms of speed and performance. Honestly, to back up 500GBs of data you will probably need either a ton of patience or at least DLT. Compressed DLT IV should give @80GB per tape, so 7 tapes should do it. Not the cheapest, I realize but that is probably the best answer.

 

[iwodo]

It is 500Gigabyte, not Bit... sorry for the confusion....

I am archieving CDs with Monkey Audio ( Lossless compression, like winzip for music for those who don't know) Even though i delete all the songs that are dupliacte there are still 140Gb. And there are still 200 Cds to do and many more i am still trying to find. The Cds are not mine they are my firends. ( I used to have 50Gb of Mp3, and now, they are all loss, as the harddrive corrupted. ) So i end up from having no music ( i can't afford to music CD when i was young ) and have over 6000 + ( when the day of napster )
to none now. I was pissed off.

Now i finally i have some money and brought a new Harddrive ( 120 Gb ) with my old HD 40 Gb. I called up all my friend and ask if tey could lend me all of their CD for a week. And i just use EAC ( Exact Audio Copy, for those who don't know, it has been proven to be the best ripper ) to rip music on to my harddrive. Now it is Full and there are still many to come....( 200 + sitting next to me, and more than 300 are still to be collect ).

As i have told you i have a bad experiece with Harddrive. Even though anandtech and tomshardware has always said certain harddrive realiblity are good..... but i know they are from the best of the harddrive that are sent to here for review. So i just don't want to risk it. And of course the tape drive is good, but they are expensive i can't afford it................. >_<

 

[TheCorm]

FYI Iwodo...

Dabs have in their Dabs Value range blank 4.7GB DVD-Rs going for £1.64 each inc VAT. Quicklink = 174KWS

You would need just over 100 and at that kind of price I think it's affordable....you get free delivery on all orders over £88 inc VAT too!

Corm

 

[Windogg]

If you can't afford a tape drive (which is the best solutions). Do what I did and build a cheap IDE RAID5 solutions with a 3Ware Escalade or Adaptec 2400A controller. It can probably be done for arouf $1,500 and is pretty darn quick if you dump in a decent gigabit ethernet card. They can now be had for around $40 - $75. 5 x 120GB will give you about 480GB of available storage and reduces you points of failure. Damage on of those DVD and you could be SOL.

If you are really worried, then do RAID5 with a hotspare. That way two drives will need to fail simultaniously before you lose all your data.

Windogg

 

[Ionizer86]

Four Maxtor 160gb 5400rpm hard drives, maybe?

 

[TheCorm]

There is a bonus to the DVD's.....if one DVD gets messed up....that 4.7GB of data gone....if a DAT tape or a removable hard drive goes belly up.....that's a lot more...yes I know DVD's are more delicate but stored away....in a jewel case.....not really that unsafe.

 

[Nefrodite]

Originally posted by: iwodo
It is 500Gigabyte, not Bit... sorry for the confusion....

I am archieving CDs with Monkey Audio ( Lossless compression, like winzip for music for those who don't know) Even though i delete all the songs that are dupliacte there are still 140Gb. And there are still 200 Cds to do and many more i am still trying to find. The Cds are not mine they are my firends. ( I used to have 50Gb of Mp3, and now, they are all loss, as the harddrive corrupted. ) So i end up from having no music ( i can't afford to music CD when i was young ) and have over 6000 + ( when the day of napster )
to none now. I was pissed off.

Now i finally i have some money and brought a new Harddrive ( 120 Gb ) with my old HD 40 Gb. I called up all my friend and ask if tey could lend me all of their CD for a week. And i just use EAC ( Exact Audio Copy, for those who don't know, it has been proven to be the best ripper ) to rip music on to my harddrive. Now it is Full and there are still many to come....( 200 + sitting next to me, and more than 300 are still to be collect ).

As i have told you i have a bad experiece with Harddrive. Even though anandtech and tomshardware has always said certain harddrive realiblity are good..... but i know they are from the best of the harddrive that are sent to here for review. So i just don't want to risk it. And of course the tape drive is good, but they are expensive i can't afford it................. >_<

theres your problem. youlwould have be better off buying some nice fuji cd-r's and using EAC to do exact rips of the cds/gap settings and then burning at 8x or whatever. then from the wavs encode into lame mp3 using -alt--preset setting instead of monkey audio.



i hope you still buy cds. being pissed is a bad reason for stealing.

 

[krackato]

Seems like quite a few people are doing these insane audio ripping projects. Not that I'm against it, (god knows I love being able to have all my music at my finger tips), but it just seems that if you're going to have these huge 500gb collections and more, you should just do the project a few years from now when 1 harddrive will fit 500gb. And then, store your backup in a "lock box" at a bank that is atleast 100 miles away from your home location incase you get hit with a nuke or your entire State burns down (both of which seem depressingly more likely than they used to). Seriously though, although 100 miles is pretty silly, don't spend huge amounts of time doing this project and then keep your backup 5 feet from the original. God knows that I would never want to do that kind of personal project more than once.

 

[Staver]

For 500GB of Data, you could go Super DLT for $4500 with some 330GB catridges at $150 each or get a small Tape Library (30 slots) that holds DLTs, then the library does all the tape swapping on its own. The hardware costs $4000+ and add your tape costs to that.

 

[Hardware]

I assume your value of the 500G is (music) $0 so get a $0 backup aka nothing

 

[MCS]

And then, store your backup in a "lock box" at a bank that is atleast 100 miles away from your home location incase you get hit with a nuke

If my home got hit by a nuke I doubt I would give much of a damn about my music collection!

Why not just copy the CDs? Blank CD-R is so cheap these days and with the speed of burners you could duplicate in almost the same time it takes to rip them.