Back to the Future - The return of Vinyl records

dmcowen674

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This deserves it's own thread.

Many people know I said CD's suck since I got my first CD player in 1981. It was a Sony and had a huge power supply that had both negative and positive output power at the time.

I hated the sound and said that vinyl will come back someday.

People miss not just the rich sound but the album covers as well.

My Grandfather and Uncle Lithographed most of the Album cover classics during the day such as the colorful Boston series, Lynrd Skynrd etc.

I have kept my extensive record collection that dates back to old 78's from the turn of last Century.

I have the original Steve Miller record mentioned below for example:

7-12-2008 Labels up volume on vinyl releases to meet demand

NEW YORK (Billboard) - It may have seemed like a fad at first, but the resurgence of vinyl is now turning into a nice niche business for the major labels. With EMI's announcement that it would reissue eight classic albums in the format, all four majors are now onboard the vinyl bandwagon.

EMI will release two Coldplay albums, four Radiohead titles and Steve Miller's "Greatest Hits" on August 19. Universal Music Enterprises will release 20 albums on vinyl this month and an additional 20 at the end of August, while Warner Music Group will issue 24 to 30 albums from its catalog and 10 to 12 new releases from September through the end of the year, according to executives at those companies.

In the independent camp, RED labels will have several hundred vinyl titles by the end of the year, half of which are new releases,

Indie retail started the party, but now some of the chains are carrying vinyl too. In addition to Fred Meyer and Borders, Best Buy has said publicly that it will experiment with carrying LPs.

Music is becoming a social action again," Ventom said. "The kids are now listening to music with their mates instead of on headphones." She added that vinyl allows them to "hear music in its true form."

"People are going back to reliving the way they used to listen to music and they realize that they missed the (album cover) artwork and what a pleasurable listening experience it is," Ventom said.

SOUND MATTERS

One of the most important elements to issuing vinyl is sound quality, especially in the MP3 age. That's why Warner Bros. will relaunch its becausesoundmatters.com Web site, which touts and sells vinyl and may start offering high-resolution MP3s

The increased interest in vinyl is putting a strain on the handful of pressing plants still left from the format's heyday. "Our vinyl is always late because it gets bumped," Redeye co-owner Tor Hansen said.

"I still have eight machines, and I am currently running at about 75 percent capacity," said plant manager Dave Jump of Nashville's United Records.

The limited pressing network often makes it hard to get vinyl out on the same release date as the CD
 

herm0016

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not news, its an ot topic.

great another "i told you so" from our resident future teller. Ask anyone in the business, or anyone who loves music and they will tell you the same thing.

vinyl never left us, most people don't have the brains to realize good music.

i love my old turntable, a B&O 1900, with separate preamp and all analog signal path.
I do agree, vinyl is better than cd, but lots of today's music is so compressed and generally messed with that putting it on vinyl is a sin.

Victrola ftw! now that's analog... no electricity needed.
 

HendrixFan

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Most new music sounds better on vinyl. The harsh compression that appears on modern CDs is done when the masters are sent to the CD mastering plant. That "brickwall" sound and look of today's music does not show up on the vinyl pressings. Also, older albums that are being "remastered" now have that same compression applied to them. Check out the White Stripes Hoffman vinyl (google it if you want) and compare that to the CD.
 

herm0016

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none of that matters when the compression should not be there in the first place though. re-issues and originals sound better then most of the "re-mastered" stuff. my collection is small, but all of them are original pressings or re-issues of original pressings, some of the older ones were still sealed when i got them.

i should have said pop/country/alt, not new music, there is still a lot of great stuff coming out.
 

Dari

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Why vinyl? Why not just come out with a new audio format? Oh, that's right, they did. But people were too consumed in nostalgia to give it a chance and it failed. Now we hear about 12" disks making a comeback? Talk about going backwards.
 

owensdj

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I'm not into music, but I have a hard time believing vinyl records could sound better than digital CDs. It seems what you think of as "better" with vinyl is actually the muffling making it sound less "harsh."
 

Vic

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It's a fad and vinyl never left anyway. What's happening is that the popularity of the CD has faded with advent of mp3 formats, and the youth market is going through a retro craze right now, so a resurgence in vinyl among audiophiles is only natural. That'll change once they figure out about the upkeep hassles and durability issues.

Vinyl has a warmer and brighter sound than CD (due to the absence of any digital compression), but its quality degrades rapidly with each play, so I would not say that vinyl sounds better or that CDs even sound in any way bad (properly mastered) as the OP implies. Get back to me when you can play your vinyl in the car or when it still sounds just as good as new on the 1,000th playing... and I think that shows why CDs were so great in their time, and why vinyl is staging a minor resurgence now that even more convenient digital formats have come out to replace the CD.


edit: I'd also like to point that the OP seems to have based his entire opinion of CDs from a time when the technology was still in its infancy and quality was known to be hit-and-miss.
 
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Much as I hate to interfere with Dave's sense of omniscience, no commercially available compact disc player existed in 1981.
 

abaez

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I still buy the occasional album on vinyl if it's got great art and/or something unique with it. 7"'s are also really cheap to grab some good singles, plus they always come in cool colors.
 

Lemon law

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Naw, Vinyl may have a brief resurgence on a novelty effect, but the problem is and remains, play it once, even with a quality turntable, and there goes all the high frequencies.
Three or four plays and it really degrades.

But on the other hand, analog technology has got some good things, we have gone too digital crazy too even try to advance or update analog technology.
 

frostedflakes

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If producers stopped compressing the shit out of CDs, audiophiles might be a bit more receptive to the format.
 
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This is not new. Vinyl has been 'making a comeback' in the press for a decade now. Generally those articles are written by guys who are expressing wishful thinking more than actual jounalism.

CDs are just fine in an audiophile system, especially if they are recorded properly. Check out a Chesky disc some day. For that matter, even commercially pressed discs have come a long way since '1981' :)roll:) There is something to be said for vinyl but it's not making a comeback. It's a niche thing and it always will be.

And as a side note... what's so great about vinyl if the master is digital anyway? :p
 

ericlp

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Might want to throw in a tube amp and some hand crafted silk dome tweeters. Ya know it's really funny on how your mind can play tricks on you. Just seeing a chunk of vinyl spinning on a platter might bring back memories and your mind might precieve a younger stage in your life or who knows what but it's very weird ... Thinketh and you will kind of crap. I guess the only way to sum this up if you already got your mind made up that Vinyl or CD's or A certain AMP or Speakers are going to sound good, then your half way there to getting good sound.

I swear I've seen some people go out and drop 1000's of dollars on speaker WIRE!!! Lets not even factor in the rest of the setup. They swear that they can hear the difference and in reality? The mind thinks to more you spend the better it should sound... oh well... the power of the mind.
 

Thump553

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Also agree it is not news, and if news, it is pretty darn old at that. "audiophiles" have ben claiming vinyl has superior sound to CDs ever since they came out, and production of LPs (in limited quanities) has never gone away.

Personally I totally disagree. I (still) own over 1000 lbs, carefully stored as my turntable hasn't worked in at least a decade. Perhaps in an ideal listening situation LPs would sound better, but few of us have the equipment, ears or time for that. Frankly despite keeping fanatically good care of my LPs at least half of them have annoying pops and skips on them (the sort of thing vinyl fanatics think adds to the charm). And the albums I played during my drinking days-forget it.

These days I convert my CDs to FLAC files and play them on my sound system via a slimserver, its a fantastic setup. I've been given a few vinyl rips (of LPs I have) from a friend who is a fanatic, but frankly I don't hear much difference, if any.

Keep your Model-Ts, lossless digital (properly produced and properly ripped) is the way to go.
 

Excelsior

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The 'audiophiles' can keep their vinyl. Though I grew up listening to SGT Pepper's on vinyl, the MFSL CD release sounds much better. And as Vic says, it'll sound the same way on the 1000th play as it did on the 1st.
 

Excelsior

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Originally posted by: frostedflakes
If producers stopped compressing the shit out of CDs, audiophiles might be a bit more receptive to the format.

Audiophiles can find CDs, SACDs, and DVD-As that don't have such compression issues.
 

Jaskalas

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This is a non issue, CD is history and the replacement is not Vinyl. There is no excuse to compress digital music anymore.
 

jman19

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Originally posted by: Jaskalas
This is a non issue, CD is history and the replacement is not Vinyl. There is no excuse to compress digital music anymore.

CDs are hardly history, but they are on the decline.
 

fallout man

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I'm very happy that vinyl is "making a come-back," even if it's because of indie kids trying to be hip.

I got into vinyl purely because of mixing music, but (on my amp/speakers) I find that even my jerry-rigged second-hand tech 12's and mixer make the music more lively on the few records I have both the vinyl and CD versions of. Granted, my speakers cost me a student-budget "fortune" when I bought them, also second-hand. It was absolutely worth it.

If anything, vinyl gives you a more solid perception of ownership and appreciation of the music. It's right there, in your hands... heavy, black, and sized at 12". :laugh:
 

herm0016

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vinyl does not degrade nearly that quickly if you have a turntable that is set correctly.
 

nageov3t

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my vinyl collection is actually right next to me :eek:

I don't use it for every day listening music (ipod + stereo dock for that), but we break them out when friends are over and we're just hanging out in the living room.

bob dylan original vinyl > flipping on the tv
 

conehead433

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I don't necessarily consider myself an audiophile, in large part because I don't really own state of the art audio equipment but most CDs compared to their vinyl counterparts sound somewhat tinny. The difference between listening to the album 'Thirty Seconds Over Winterland' by Jefferson Airplane and the CD of the same is like night and day.
 

Thump553

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Originally posted by: conehead433
I don't necessarily consider myself an audiophile, in large part because I don't really own state of the art audio equipment but most CDs compared to their vinyl counterparts sound somewhat tinny. The difference between listening to the album 'Thirty Seconds Over Winterland' by Jefferson Airplane and the CD of the same is like night and day.

Got them both, probably played each version a couple of hundred times (minimum). I hear no difference whatsoever.