Back to the basics: nvidia paper launches.......

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Rampage

Not on shelves on launch day= paper launch.

The X1800XT was on shelves the day of launch. In a real retail brick and mortar store, CompUSA. It was even available a few days before launch, online. The GTX however, was not available on store shelves the same day of launch. The X1800XL was on shelves two days after launch, thats pretty close.

Originally posted by: Rampage
And btw, if companies ship to the USA first and Asia later.. thats not a paper launch by your definition then?
All it needs to be is available in the world for anyone to order. I'm sure you could import a 7300 if you wanted.

Same was the case for the X1600, launched over seas first. Yet some NV fans claimed it was a paper launch. Lets apply the same standards across the board, not pick and choose.

Originally posted by: Rampage
Same couldnt be said for a lot of ATI products. ATI showed us what a paper launch is.
Nvidia showed us what a hard launch is. :thumbsup:

Paper launches happened well before ATi or NV came onto the 3D sceen. NV has paper launched many a card, just as ATi has. You must be new if you think it just started. Both have stepped up a lot recently. You claim a hard launch is cards on retail shelves. The 512MB GTX has never been on a store retail shelf, and is next to impossible to get even in a online store. Again, apply the same standards across the board, not when it fits your agenda.

The bottom line is, both NV and ATi for the last year or so, have had cards available at least online, the day of, or a few days after the release. Trying to play the "ATi paper launch" card is like saying ATi's drivers are still buggy and far behind NV's. Which is also incorrect, and silly.

But I guess looking at you sig tells me that you are hardly impartial.

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: Michael

This is the new low end card, what's all the jaw flapping about?

It's irrelevant what class of card it is. People here were criticizing ATI for availability of X1K series cards across the board, including the low end ones. The point is that Nvidia is the company that has been so adamant about how products should be launched. They are the ones who have so heavily pushed the concept of "hard launch' and been so eager to criticize the competition for any failings in their availibility. If they're going to set the bar so high, they damn well better meet it themselves. First we have the availability of the GTX 512 which has been MIA for many weeks now and now we have this questionable 'hard launch.' Is it really a hard launch if you can only manage to ship to some small region of the world? Suddenly the standards start to become lower when its convenient for Nvidia.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Rampage

Originally posted by: ElFenix
it was there when they said it would be. that's release day. now, it would be a problem if it wasn't there on release day. but if it is there, who gives a rat's ass? only fanboys.

A rats ass? Why not a donkey or our ancestoral ape asses?
*boggle*

while i have heard donkey's ass, i haven't heard ape's ass.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: Michael

This is the new low end card, what's all the jaw flapping about?

It's irrelevant what class of card it is. People here were criticizing ATI for availability of X1K series cards across the board, including the low end ones. The point is that Nvidia is the company that has been so adamant about how products should be launched. They are the ones who have so heavily pushed the concept of "hard launch' and been so eager to criticize the competition for any failings in their availibility. If they're going to set the bar so high, they damn well better meet it themselves. First we have the availability of the GTX 512 which has been MIA for many weeks now and now we have this questionable 'hard launch.' Is it really a hard launch if you can only manage to ship to some small region of the world? Suddenly the standards start to become lower when its convenient for Nvidia.

there is a double-standard for most nVidia supporters [here] that is . . . [wait for it]
. . .

hypocritical

'hypercritical' when ATi "misses" something

'forgiving' if nVidia stumbles . . .

:roll:

nVidia "stumbled" again . . . 7300 IS a paperlaunch . . . much like the 7800GTX . . . which may arrive long after anyone cares
even nVidia admits ithe 7300 is a PL - if their diehard fans do not
:thumbsdown:

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Paratus
Mainly we care because of the great faith that was put into NV and their Hard Launches. ATI was thourghly ridiculed for previewing the X1000 series and setting later launch dates that they mostly met.

I for one don't care for NVs "Mushroom" style of press releases and launches, (you know keep us in the dark, feed us on S... until they hard launch)

So I for one don't mind if NV wants to show us what this card can do and then release it later as long as they hit the date they set.

What I heard from my buddy at nV was they were launching in Asia first to score on Chinese New Years sales, as this is a big time for them to buy new cards according to past trends.

I don't personally care if the 7300GS is launched in China as I'm not a potential buyer, but it is hard launched on the planet, so it's technically not a "paper launch".

And Morph, the largest country (population) on the planet is not some "small corner or the world"? :roll:

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: M0RPH
So now all you need to do to avoid being called a paper launch is ship a few cards to some small area of the world? Sorry, that's not good enough. The US is the largest market in the world by far. This is where the big boy's play. If you cannot have cards available for purchase in the US on your launch date, then it's as good as a paper launch as far as I'm concerned.

You, I, and everybody on this board knows you would feel differently if this was say, an X1700 being shipped to China first before the US. Not a paper launch when at least 100,000 units were shipped initially. You can try to argue that you wouldn't say anything different if it were an ATI card we were talking about here, but we all know better. If you're trying to appear non-biased, you're doing a bang up job :roll: . At least try and make it more believable.

The only thing Nvidia screwed up in their last 4 desktop card launches was the GTX512. And I'm not even 100% certain it was completely their fault. Other factors certainly would apply, like memory availability. There was something about an integrated chipset, I think it was the 6100 or 6150 that needed some tweaking, so it was delayed for a few weeks. Pales in comparison to ATI's track record pre-R580. Looks like ATI will definately hard launch the R580. Glad about that.

 

[DeathReborn]

Originally posted by: touchmyichi
i agree with a lot of the posters here. Who gives a crap if its just a value card? It isn't like people putting everything on hold for one of these. As long as they nail the midrange/high end cards on time enthusiasts could care less. Huge nerds like us don't anticipate putting the lowest card in a lineup in our comp anyways .

The average joe will get one of these in his Dell or eMachines or whatever crap they buy and be fine with it. The low end is just as much of merit as the high end is. Us enthusiasts just don't see the need for it, except in specialised cases like HTPC.

Now if only it would come out in AGP, i'd be able to use my XP-M 2600+ for a HTPC then, lol.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Paratus
Mainly we care because of the great faith that was put into NV and their Hard Launches. ATI was thourghly ridiculed for previewing the X1000 series and setting later launch dates that they mostly met.

I for one don't care for NVs "Mushroom" style of press releases and launches, (you know keep us in the dark, feed us on S... until they hard launch)

So I for one don't mind if NV wants to show us what this card can do and then release it later as long as they hit the date they set.

What I heard from my buddy at nV was they were launching in Asia first to score on Chinese New Years sales, as this is a big time for them to buy new cards according to past trends.

I don't personally care if the 7300GS is launched in China as I'm not a potential buyer, but it is hard launched on the planet, so it's technically not a "paper launch".

And Morph, the largest country (population) on the planet is not some "small corner or the world"? :roll:

Taiwan is not one of the largest countries on the planet - population or area.

You think nVidia launched in 'red' China?
:Q
[how many cards are they gonna sell there?]

edit: i know they have a regional office in Bejing . . . really curious about their sales there?


2nd edit . . . more than i thought:
Additionally, the video game market in China is experiencing rapid growth, particularly in the online games segment. According to a recent report, online games revenue is forecast to reach $2.0 billion by 2009. China had 28.8 million gamers in 2004, a number that is projected to grow to 55.5 million by 2009 (Source: Niko Partners, 2005).

3rd edit: it's still a PL here

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Paratus
Mainly we care because of the great faith that was put into NV and their Hard Launches. ATI was thourghly ridiculed for previewing the X1000 series and setting later launch dates that they mostly met.

I for one don't care for NVs "Mushroom" style of press releases and launches, (you know keep us in the dark, feed us on S... until they hard launch)

So I for one don't mind if NV wants to show us what this card can do and then release it later as long as they hit the date they set.

What I heard from my buddy at nV was they were launching in Asia first to score on Chinese New Years sales, as this is a big time for them to buy new cards according to past trends.

I don't personally care if the 7300GS is launched in China as I'm not a potential buyer, but it is hard launched on the planet, so it's technically not a "paper launch".

And Morph, the largest country (population) on the planet is not some "small corner or the world"? :roll:

Taiwan is not one of the largest countries on the planet - population or area.

You think nVidia launched in 'red' China?
:Q
[how many cards are they gonna sell there?]

Taiwan is part of red China? Because that is where I would ship my cards to if I had a product in this market. They will eat them up there. You think we are technology junkies here in the US? LOL, Taiwan probably would make us look like cavemen in comparison. I think this was one of the reasons NV sought to purchase ULi. To get a nice foothold over there. IMHO. Population in Taiwan is 21.5 million.

A little Taiwan history. And before you thank me for the history lesson just to be clever, you are welcome.

Taiwan:
In 1895, military defeat forced China to cede Taiwan to Japan. Taiwan reverted to Chinese control after World War II. Following the Communist victory on the mainland in 1949, 2 million Nationalists fled to Taiwan and established a government using the 1946 constitution drawn up for all of China. Over the next five decades, the ruling authorities gradually democratized and incorporated the native population within the governing structure. In 2000, Taiwan underwent its first peaceful transfer of power from the Nationalist to the Democratic Progressive Party. Throughout this period, the island prospered and became one of East Asia's economic "Tigers." The dominant political issues continue to be the relationship between Taiwan and China - specifically the question of eventual unification - as well as domestic political and economic reform.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: apoppin
[

Taiwan is not one of the largest countries on the planet - population or area.

You think nVidia launched in 'red' China?
:Q
[how many cards are they gonna sell there?]

Taiwan is part of red China? Because that is where I would ship my cards to if I had a product in this market. They will eat them up there. You think we are technology junkies here in the US? LOL, Taiwan probably would make us look like cavemen in comparison. I think this was one of the reasons NV sought to purchase ULi. To get a nice foothold over there. IMHO. Population in Taiwan is 21.5 million.

i already covered that in my edit . . . nVidia has an office in Beijing

it's still a PL . . . here

 

[otispunkmeyer]

you can buy this card in ASIA

inquirer suck, they didnt even quote the whole bit-tech quote, where he said that the card was hard launched in asia on the 18th becuase of some holiday they have there that is usually a good time for trading.

the principle is theyve paper launched

but in the grand scheme of things, its a low end card, not very sought after, doesnt have alot of hype building it up, and once production gets them to the US/Uk they'll never go out of stock.

its not like theyve continually PL'd a bunch of cards like ati did. they paper launched their entire X1K range didnt they?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: apoppin
[

Taiwan is not one of the largest countries on the planet - population or area.

You think nVidia launched in 'red' China?
:Q
[how many cards are they gonna sell there?]

Taiwan is part of red China? Because that is where I would ship my cards to if I had a product in this market. They will eat them up there. You think we are technology junkies here in the US? LOL, Taiwan probably would make us look like cavemen in comparison. I think this was one of the reasons NV sought to purchase ULi. To get a nice foothold over there. IMHO. Population in Taiwan is 21.5 million.

i already covered that in my edit . . . nVidia has an office in Beijing

it's still a PL . . . here

So Nvidia has to officially launch with a date for each country then? I think not. There is no paper launch. Just deal with it.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
you can buy this card in ASIA

inquirer suck, they didnt even quote the whole bit-tech quote, where he said that the card was hard launched in asia on the 18th becuase of some holiday they have there that is usually a good time for trading.

no, "i" cant.and here is what theInq left out:

BT: What is the US / UK street date for these cards?
AF: Early February.


BT: This is, ostensibly, a paper launch. Having launched GeForce 7800 GTX with immediate availability, NVIDIA raised expectations for graphics card launches.
AF: Yes, we have. And we will always do what we can to make this happen. However, Chinese New Year is a big selling season in China, similar to the Holiday rush in other regions. GeForce 7300 falls in to a segment that is very popular with Chinese consumers, so we want to create some excitement in the region with a new product offering in time for the holiday. The card is available today in Asia.


BT: How do you explain the fact that most partners do not even list the 7300 GS on their website 48 hours after launch, and there is no retail or online availability in Western markets this week?
AF: As I said before, we managed to get these cards first into Asia, the US and Europe will follow soon after.

The did announce it "Here" . . . without any "qualifications' . . .

and now we see them.

so it makes it a PL "here"
[nVidia fans can "deal with it]

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
you can buy this card in ASIA

inquirer suck, they didnt even quote the whole bit-tech quote, where he said that the card was hard launched in asia on the 18th becuase of some holiday they have there that is usually a good time for trading.

no, "i" cant.and here is what theInq left out:

BT: What is the US / UK street date for these cards?
AF: Early February.


BT: This is, ostensibly, a paper launch. Having launched GeForce 7800 GTX with immediate availability, NVIDIA raised expectations for graphics card launches.
AF: Yes, we have. And we will always do what we can to make this happen. However, Chinese New Year is a big selling season in China, similar to the Holiday rush in other regions. GeForce 7300 falls in to a segment that is very popular with Chinese consumers, so we want to create some excitement in the region with a new product offering in time for the holiday. The card is available today in Asia.


BT: How do you explain the fact that most partners do not even list the 7300 GS on their website 48 hours after launch, and there is no retail or online availability in Western markets this week?
AF: As I said before, we managed to get these cards first into Asia, the US and Europe will follow soon after.

The did announce it "Here" . . . without any "qualifications' . . .

and now we see them.

so it makes it a PL "here"
[nVidia fans can "deal with it]

As you can plainly see, only ATI fans, incuding yourself, has a problem with it.
Nvidia is happily shipping in very large quantity (at least 100,000 initially) first to where the cha-ching is. Smart business move. Chinese New Year to them, is like Christmas is to Americans. Spend spend spend. So, I think nvidia fans can deal with this just nicely. Especially if they own stock.

 

[nRollo]

Don't feed the Apoppin Keys, you'll only encourage it.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
you can buy this card in ASIA

inquirer suck, they didnt even quote the whole bit-tech quote, where he said that the card was hard launched in asia on the 18th becuase of some holiday they have there that is usually a good time for trading.

no, "i" cant.and here is what theInq left out:

BT: What is the US / UK street date for these cards?
AF: Early February.


BT: This is, ostensibly, a paper launch. Having launched GeForce 7800 GTX with immediate availability, NVIDIA raised expectations for graphics card launches.
AF: Yes, we have. And we will always do what we can to make this happen. However, Chinese New Year is a big selling season in China, similar to the Holiday rush in other regions. GeForce 7300 falls in to a segment that is very popular with Chinese consumers, so we want to create some excitement in the region with a new product offering in time for the holiday. The card is available today in Asia.


BT: How do you explain the fact that most partners do not even list the 7300 GS on their website 48 hours after launch, and there is no retail or online availability in Western markets this week?
AF: As I said before, we managed to get these cards first into Asia, the US and Europe will follow soon after.

The did announce it "Here" . . . without any "qualifications' . . .

and now we see them.

so it makes it a PL "here"
[nVidia fans can "deal with it]

As you can plainly see, only ATI fans, incuding yourself, has a problem with it.
Nvidia is happily shipping in very large quantity (at least 100,000 initially) first to where the cha-ching is. Smart business move. Chinese New Year to them, is like Christmas is to Americans. Spend spend spend. So, I think nvidia fans can deal with this just nicely. Especially if they own stock.

of course nVidia fans like yourself ignore their company's shortcomings . . . it's calld a 'double standard' [i.e. hypocricy]

===========

Originally posted by: Rollo
Don't feed the Apoppin Keys, you'll only encourage it.

and nobody stopped feeding the Rollo yet.
'feed' or not, that hasn't stopped it from posting FUD



Can ANYone find a PL'd 7800gtx 512 . . . at MSRP and 'in stock'

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Rollo
Don't feed the Apoppin Keys, you'll only encourage it.

Yeah, you're right.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Hkepc's 7300GS review

At 10x7, this card performs pretty well considering it has a 64bit bus. I like the passively cooled gigabyte model.

 

[linkgoron]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
you can buy this card in ASIA

inquirer suck, they didnt even quote the whole bit-tech quote, where he said that the card was hard launched in asia on the 18th becuase of some holiday they have there that is usually a good time for trading.

no, "i" cant.and here is what theInq left out:

BT: What is the US / UK street date for these cards?
AF: Early February.


BT: This is, ostensibly, a paper launch. Having launched GeForce 7800 GTX with immediate availability, NVIDIA raised expectations for graphics card launches.
AF: Yes, we have. And we will always do what we can to make this happen. However, Chinese New Year is a big selling season in China, similar to the Holiday rush in other regions. GeForce 7300 falls in to a segment that is very popular with Chinese consumers, so we want to create some excitement in the region with a new product offering in time for the holiday. The card is available today in Asia.


BT: How do you explain the fact that most partners do not even list the 7300 GS on their website 48 hours after launch, and there is no retail or online availability in Western markets this week?
AF: As I said before, we managed to get these cards first into Asia, the US and Europe will follow soon after.

The did announce it "Here" . . . without any "qualifications' . . .

and now we see them.

so it makes it a PL "here"
[nVidia fans can "deal with it]

As you can plainly see, only ATI fans, incuding yourself, has a problem with it.
Nvidia is happily shipping in very large quantity (at least 100,000 initially) first to where the cha-ching is. Smart business move. Chinese New Year to them, is like Christmas is to Americans. Spend spend spend. So, I think nvidia fans can deal with this just nicely. Especially if they own stock.

of course nVidia fans like yourself ignore their company's shortcomings . . . it's calld a 'double standard' [i.e. hypocricy]

===========

Originally posted by: Rollo
Don't feed the Apoppin Keys, you'll only encourage it.

and nobody stopped feeding the Rollo yet.
'feed' or not, that hasn't stopped it from posting FUD



Can ANYone find a PL'd 7800gtx 512 . . . at MSRP and 'in stock'

Stop looking for reasons to hate nVidia. This is not a paper-launch, just as the ATi X1K launch wasn't paper (I don't think giving cards for benchmarks before release date is a bad thing).
So the cards weren't released in the US big deal. It has to be a world-wide release to get the "Hard Launch" title? So no launch will ever be a hard launch. Or maybe a launch is only a hard launch if the card is released in the center of the world, the only place with PCs, the US?
nVidia set a launch date for Early Feb in the US, and launched the card NOW in the East. What's wrong with that? They made no secret of it. It's not like they said "We're releasing it now in the US, and some nVidia insiders said that nVidia is lying to the world.
BTW, Some Games get launched first in japan, does that mean they're Paper launched in the US?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: linkgoron

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
you can buy this card in ASIA

inquirer suck, they didnt even quote the whole bit-tech quote, where he said that the card was hard launched in asia on the 18th becuase of some holiday they have there that is usually a good time for trading.

no, "i" cant.and here is what theInq left out:

BT: What is the US / UK street date for these cards?
AF: Early February.


BT: This is, ostensibly, a paper launch. Having launched GeForce 7800 GTX with immediate availability, NVIDIA raised expectations for graphics card launches.
AF: Yes, we have. And we will always do what we can to make this happen. However, Chinese New Year is a big selling season in China, similar to the Holiday rush in other regions. GeForce 7300 falls in to a segment that is very popular with Chinese consumers, so we want to create some excitement in the region with a new product offering in time for the holiday. The card is available today in Asia.


BT: How do you explain the fact that most partners do not even list the 7300 GS on their website 48 hours after launch, and there is no retail or online availability in Western markets this week?
AF: As I said before, we managed to get these cards first into Asia, the US and Europe will follow soon after.

The did announce it "Here" . . . without any "qualifications' . . .

and now we see them.

so it makes it a PL "here"
[nVidia fans can "deal with it]

As you can plainly see, only ATI fans, incuding yourself, has a problem with it.
Nvidia is happily shipping in very large quantity (at least 100,000 initially) first to where the cha-ching is. Smart business move. Chinese New Year to them, is like Christmas is to Americans. Spend spend spend. So, I think nvidia fans can deal with this just nicely. Especially if they own stock.

of course nVidia fans like yourself ignore their company's shortcomings . . . it's calld a 'double standard' [i.e. hypocricy]

===========

Originally posted by: Rollo
Don't feed the Apoppin Keys, you'll only encourage it.

and nobody stopped feeding the Rollo yet.
'feed' or not, that hasn't stopped it from posting FUD



Can ANYone find a PL'd 7800gtx 512 . . . at MSRP and 'in stock'

Stop looking for reasons to hate nVidia. This is not a paper-launch, just as the ATi X1K launch wasn't paper (I don't think giving cards for benchmarks before release date is a bad thing).
So the cards weren't released in the US big deal. It has to be a world-wide release to get the "Hard Launch" title? So no launch will ever be a hard launch. Or maybe a launch is only a hard launch if the card is released in the center of the world, the only place with PCs, the US?
nVidia set a launch date for Early Feb in the US, and launched the card NOW in the East. What's wrong with that? They made no secret of it. It's not like they said "We're releasing it now in the US, and some nVidia insiders said that nVidia is lying to the world.
BTW, Some Games get launched first in japan, does that mean they're Paper launched in the US?

no reason to hate nVidia - whatsoever , , , , otoh, the nVdiots are pretty "special" and easy to dislike.

no . . . nVidia did NOT set the US/UK launch date for February . . . or there would be NOTHING to complain about.

. . . and it is "nitpicking" . . . something the nVidia fans have mastered. . . .
don't like it? . . . too bad

now what about availibility of that Ultra GTX?

 

[v8envy]

Hmm. Performance is on par with a 9600/X600/1300LE. So, um. Why does anyone care that it was only released in Asia? Or do we expect the street prices to be about $60 for this thing, given a $99 MSRP?

At $60, pretty good fizzle for the buck. Otherwise, what's the point?

As to the OP: def. not a paper launch. Huge quantity available, and you can buy em from retailers in Asia. You couldn't say that about the X1K series even.

 

[linkgoron]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: linkgoron

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
you can buy this card in ASIA

inquirer suck, they didnt even quote the whole bit-tech quote, where he said that the card was hard launched in asia on the 18th becuase of some holiday they have there that is usually a good time for trading.

no, "i" cant.and here is what theInq left out:

BT: What is the US / UK street date for these cards?
AF: Early February.


BT: This is, ostensibly, a paper launch. Having launched GeForce 7800 GTX with immediate availability, NVIDIA raised expectations for graphics card launches.
AF: Yes, we have. And we will always do what we can to make this happen. However, Chinese New Year is a big selling season in China, similar to the Holiday rush in other regions. GeForce 7300 falls in to a segment that is very popular with Chinese consumers, so we want to create some excitement in the region with a new product offering in time for the holiday. The card is available today in Asia.


BT: How do you explain the fact that most partners do not even list the 7300 GS on their website 48 hours after launch, and there is no retail or online availability in Western markets this week?
AF: As I said before, we managed to get these cards first into Asia, the US and Europe will follow soon after.

The did announce it "Here" . . . without any "qualifications' . . .

and now we see them.

so it makes it a PL "here"
[nVidia fans can "deal with it]

As you can plainly see, only ATI fans, incuding yourself, has a problem with it.
Nvidia is happily shipping in very large quantity (at least 100,000 initially) first to where the cha-ching is. Smart business move. Chinese New Year to them, is like Christmas is to Americans. Spend spend spend. So, I think nvidia fans can deal with this just nicely. Especially if they own stock.

of course nVidia fans like yourself ignore their company's shortcomings . . . it's calld a 'double standard' [i.e. hypocricy]

===========

Originally posted by: Rollo
Don't feed the Apoppin Keys, you'll only encourage it.

and nobody stopped feeding the Rollo yet.
'feed' or not, that hasn't stopped it from posting FUD



Can ANYone find a PL'd 7800gtx 512 . . . at MSRP and 'in stock'

Stop looking for reasons to hate nVidia. This is not a paper-launch, just as the ATi X1K launch wasn't paper (I don't think giving cards for benchmarks before release date is a bad thing).
So the cards weren't released in the US big deal. It has to be a world-wide release to get the "Hard Launch" title? So no launch will ever be a hard launch. Or maybe a launch is only a hard launch if the card is released in the center of the world, the only place with PCs, the US?
nVidia set a launch date for Early Feb in the US, and launched the card NOW in the East. What's wrong with that? They made no secret of it. It's not like they said "We're releasing it now in the US, and some nVidia insiders said that nVidia is lying to the world.
BTW, Some Games get launched first in japan, does that mean they're Paper launched in the US?

no reason to hate nVidia - whatsoever , , , , otoh, the nVdiots are pretty "special" and easy to dislike.

no . . . nVidia did NOT set the US/UK launch date for February . . . or there would be NOTHING to complain about.

. . . and it is "nitpicking" . . . something the nVidia fans have mastered. . . .
don't like it? . . . too bad

now what about availibility of that Ultra GTX?

LOL. I'm no nVidia fanboy. I think that what they did with the 7800GTX 512 is a disgrace.
If you would've read my post you would've seen that I also said some good things about ATi.
You can ask some people here, if they've seen my posts I don't post much, they can tell you that I'm not an nVidia fanboy.

EDIT:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20060120085028.html

According to Nvidia, the Asia Pacific region will see immediate availability of GeForce 7300 GS-based add-in cards in time for Chinese New Year. Availability in Europe and North America will follow in early February. GeForce 7300 GS-based PCs will also be available from the world?s leading system builders starting in early February.

 

[Michael]

Again, the 7300GS seemed to be much more than a "paper" launch for me. I guess the cardboard box it was in is made of "paper". The box was much smaller than the average retial GPU box, btw. Obvious that this is meant to be a "budget" card. The box also said made in China, so at least the card was assembled in China. From memory, I think XFX is HQed in Hong Kong.

Most launches are paper here in Singapore for the first week or so. There are many places in the world that don't get new computer equipment the same day it is available most other places in the world.

The discussion here shows what the problem can be with the topic of video cards. When fans of the two main companies are slinging mud/defending on the topic of availability of a low-end card, you know it has gone to emotion instead of facts.

In my mind, this is a launch with two release dates. If the cards are not available in the USA and Europe when they said they would be, then complain. Heck, NVIDIA didn't even send out review cards to the main USA sites, so it isn't like they're launching/hyping big time in the USA.

I'm hoping that one or two of the larger tech sites based in Asia will do a full review so I can see where this card fits into the grand scheme of things for benchmarks.

Michael

ps - if you think that China is not a big market for computer parts, you've been ignoring the huge changes over the last decade. Plus Japan and South Korea as well which are also big markets.

pps - The XFX box made it look like there was a 256 meg card in there with 512 of memory available due to "Turbo Cache". That's what the guy behind the counter told me was there. All the cards in the review above are for 128 meg cards. Its possible that is was a 128 meg card and there's only one box that lists the max specs. When that happens, there's usually a sticker or check box on the box that shows what exact model is in there. I didn't open the box or search it that closely.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: linkgoron

Originally posted by: apoppin


Can ANYone find a PL'd 7800gtx 512 . . . at MSRP and 'in stock'

Stop looking for reasons to hate nVidia. This is not a paper-launch, just as the ATi X1K launch wasn't paper (I don't think giving cards for benchmarks before release date is a bad thing).
So the cards weren't released in the US big deal. It has to be a world-wide release to get the "Hard Launch" title? So no launch will ever be a hard launch. Or maybe a launch is only a hard launch if the card is released in the center of the world, the only place with PCs, the US?
nVidia set a launch date for Early Feb in the US, and launched the card NOW in the East. What's wrong with that? They made no secret of it. It's not like they said "We're releasing it now in the US, and some nVidia insiders said that nVidia is lying to the world.
BTW, Some Games get launched first in japan, does that mean they're Paper launched in the US?

no reason to hate nVidia - whatsoever , , , , otoh, the nVdiots are pretty "special" and easy to dislike.

no . . . nVidia did NOT set the US/UK launch date for February . . . or there would be NOTHING to complain about.

. . . and it is "nitpicking" . . . something the nVidia fans have mastered. . . .
don't like it? . . . too bad

now what about availibility of that Ultra GTX?
[/quote]

LOL. I'm no nVidia fanboy. I think that what they did with the 7800GTX 512 is a disgrace.
If you would've read my post you would've seen that I also said some good things about ATi.
You can ask some people here, if they've seen my posts I don't post much, they can tell you that I'm not an nVidia fanboy.

EDIT:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20060120085028.html

According to Nvidia, the Asia Pacific region will see immediate availability of GeForce 7300 GS-based add-in cards in time for Chinese New Year. Availability in Europe and North America will follow in early February. GeForce 7300 GS-based PCs will also be available from the world?s leading system builders starting in early February.

[/quote]

i tried to clean up the quotes

i did not accuse you of anything

the link you provide is after the fact . . . nVidia "launched" the 7300 but forgot to tell 'us' that they wouldn't be available till Feb . . .

that's all



edit :
it's 'true' gamers could care less

 

[linkgoron]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: linkgoron

Originally posted by: apoppin


Can ANYone find a PL'd 7800gtx 512 . . . at MSRP and 'in stock'

Stop looking for reasons to hate nVidia. This is not a paper-launch, just as the ATi X1K launch wasn't paper (I don't think giving cards for benchmarks before release date is a bad thing).
So the cards weren't released in the US big deal. It has to be a world-wide release to get the "Hard Launch" title? So no launch will ever be a hard launch. Or maybe a launch is only a hard launch if the card is released in the center of the world, the only place with PCs, the US?
nVidia set a launch date for Early Feb in the US, and launched the card NOW in the East. What's wrong with that? They made no secret of it. It's not like they said "We're releasing it now in the US, and some nVidia insiders said that nVidia is lying to the world.
BTW, Some Games get launched first in japan, does that mean they're Paper launched in the US?

no reason to hate nVidia - whatsoever , , , , otoh, the nVdiots are pretty "special" and easy to dislike.

no . . . nVidia did NOT set the US/UK launch date for February . . . or there would be NOTHING to complain about.

. . . and it is "nitpicking" . . . something the nVidia fans have mastered. . . .
don't like it? . . . too bad

now what about availibility of that Ultra GTX?

LOL. I'm no nVidia fanboy. I think that what they did with the 7800GTX 512 is a disgrace.
If you would've read my post you would've seen that I also said some good things about ATi.
You can ask some people here, if they've seen my posts I don't post much, they can tell you that I'm not an nVidia fanboy.

EDIT:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20060120085028.html

According to Nvidia, the Asia Pacific region will see immediate availability of GeForce 7300 GS-based add-in cards in time for Chinese New Year. Availability in Europe and North America will follow in early February. GeForce 7300 GS-based PCs will also be available from the world?s leading system builders starting in early February.

i tried to clean up the quotes

i did not accuse you of anything

the link you provide is after the fact . . . nVidia "launched" the 7300 but forgot to tell 'us' that they wouldn't be available till Feb . . .

that's all



edit :
it's 'true' gamers could care less

LOL you didn't accuse me of anything, and I don't have a problem with being called a fanboy, because we all like some company more than another. I try to stay in the middle. (although I am sometimes an AMD fanboy). Just please, give some solid evidaence and I'll listen. I just think that you're wrong this time.
Anyway, is this better?
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=319

Brandon Hill - January 18, 2006 11:25 AM
GeForce 7300 GS based graphics cards are shipping now in the Asia-Pacific region. The United States will see availability in early Februrary with an estimated street price of around $99