Originally posted by: Ackmed
Originally posted by: Rampage
Not on shelves on launch day= paper launch.
The X1800XT was on shelves the day of launch. In a real retail brick and mortar store, CompUSA. It was even available a few days before launch, online. The GTX however, was not available on store shelves the same day of launch. The X1800XL was on shelves two days after launch, thats pretty close.
Originally posted by: Rampage
And btw, if companies ship to the USA first and Asia later.. thats not a paper launch by your definition then?
All it needs to be is available in the world for anyone to order. I'm sure you could import a 7300 if you wanted.
Same was the case for the X1600, launched over seas first. Yet some NV fans claimed it was a paper launch. Lets apply the same standards across the board, not pick and choose.
Originally posted by: Rampage
Same couldnt be said for a lot of ATI products. ATI showed us what a paper launch is.
Nvidia showed us what a hard launch is. :thumbsup:
Paper launches happened well before ATi or NV came onto the 3D sceen. NV has paper launched many a card, just as ATi has. You must be new if you think it just started. Both have stepped up a lot recently. You claim a hard launch is cards on retail shelves. The 512MB GTX has never been on a store retail shelf, and is next to impossible to get even in a online store. Again, apply the same standards across the board, not when it fits your agenda.
The bottom line is, both NV and ATi for the last year or so, have had cards available at least online, the day of, or a few days after the release. Trying to play the "ATi paper launch" card is like saying ATi's drivers are still buggy and far behind NV's. Which is also incorrect, and silly.
But I guess looking at you sig tells me that you are hardly impartial.
I think their is a miss understanding of ATIs launches, the fact is outside the X1900 (which I am sure it will be hard luanched and good for them) they still have not hard luanched a damn thing. They Luanched the whole X1K lineup in one day. then said next week for the only card available for the whole sieres the X1800XL, a month before you see the XT 2 months till X1600 and X1300. The fact that they got the availability dates mostly correct doesn't make their Paper luanch not a paper launch.
While I commend Nvidia for Hard Luanching the GTX 512, I do condem them for the future lack of availability.
But not of that is what is happening right now. They are hard luanching the card where the biggest market is for them. It is a hard launch even if you can't get your hands on it. You are not the most important person in the world. The fact is I am pretty sure they think most of the US will be looking towards the 6150 chipset for low end video anyways (atleast the OEMs are).
Paper Launch Announce Card without Product available to anybody but reviewers.
Hard Launch Announce Card with availability to prospective buyers same day.
I do have a question. If a company releases a product in the US. With availability there but with no availability in the UK. Then wouldn't by some of you guys this being seen as a paper launch anyways. by this reason the only product ever Hard Launched would be the Xbox360. Keep in mind as well this product was shipped in number exceeding a million and was still considered unavailable.
Nobody not even microsoft cn make everybody happy. For those getting worked up over this I will say this and only this. Take a chill pill bro.