Back to the basics: nvidia paper launches.......

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Rampage

Not on shelves on launch day= paper launch.

The X1800XT was on shelves the day of launch. In a real retail brick and mortar store, CompUSA. It was even available a few days before launch, online. The GTX however, was not available on store shelves the same day of launch. The X1800XL was on shelves two days after launch, thats pretty close.

Originally posted by: Rampage
And btw, if companies ship to the USA first and Asia later.. thats not a paper launch by your definition then?
All it needs to be is available in the world for anyone to order. I'm sure you could import a 7300 if you wanted.

Same was the case for the X1600, launched over seas first. Yet some NV fans claimed it was a paper launch. Lets apply the same standards across the board, not pick and choose.

Originally posted by: Rampage
Same couldnt be said for a lot of ATI products. ATI showed us what a paper launch is.
Nvidia showed us what a hard launch is. :thumbsup:

Paper launches happened well before ATi or NV came onto the 3D sceen. NV has paper launched many a card, just as ATi has. You must be new if you think it just started. Both have stepped up a lot recently. You claim a hard launch is cards on retail shelves. The 512MB GTX has never been on a store retail shelf, and is next to impossible to get even in a online store. Again, apply the same standards across the board, not when it fits your agenda.

The bottom line is, both NV and ATi for the last year or so, have had cards available at least online, the day of, or a few days after the release. Trying to play the "ATi paper launch" card is like saying ATi's drivers are still buggy and far behind NV's. Which is also incorrect, and silly.

But I guess looking at you sig tells me that you are hardly impartial.

I think their is a miss understanding of ATIs launches, the fact is outside the X1900 (which I am sure it will be hard luanched and good for them) they still have not hard luanched a damn thing. They Luanched the whole X1K lineup in one day. then said next week for the only card available for the whole sieres the X1800XL, a month before you see the XT 2 months till X1600 and X1300. The fact that they got the availability dates mostly correct doesn't make their Paper luanch not a paper launch.

While I commend Nvidia for Hard Luanching the GTX 512, I do condem them for the future lack of availability.

But not of that is what is happening right now. They are hard luanching the card where the biggest market is for them. It is a hard launch even if you can't get your hands on it. You are not the most important person in the world. The fact is I am pretty sure they think most of the US will be looking towards the 6150 chipset for low end video anyways (atleast the OEMs are).

Paper Launch Announce Card without Product available to anybody but reviewers.

Hard Launch Announce Card with availability to prospective buyers same day.

I do have a question. If a company releases a product in the US. With availability there but with no availability in the UK. Then wouldn't by some of you guys this being seen as a paper launch anyways. by this reason the only product ever Hard Launched would be the Xbox360. Keep in mind as well this product was shipped in number exceeding a million and was still considered unavailable.

Nobody not even microsoft cn make everybody happy. For those getting worked up over this I will say this and only this. Take a chill pill bro.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: linkgoron

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: linkgoron

Originally posted by: apoppin


Can ANYone find a PL'd 7800gtx 512 . . . at MSRP and 'in stock'

Stop looking for reasons to hate nVidia. This is not a paper-launch, just as the ATi X1K launch wasn't paper (I don't think giving cards for benchmarks before release date is a bad thing).
So the cards weren't released in the US big deal. It has to be a world-wide release to get the "Hard Launch" title? So no launch will ever be a hard launch. Or maybe a launch is only a hard launch if the card is released in the center of the world, the only place with PCs, the US?
nVidia set a launch date for Early Feb in the US, and launched the card NOW in the East. What's wrong with that? They made no secret of it. It's not like they said "We're releasing it now in the US, and some nVidia insiders said that nVidia is lying to the world.
BTW, Some Games get launched first in japan, does that mean they're Paper launched in the US?

no reason to hate nVidia - whatsoever , , , , otoh, the nVdiots are pretty "special" and easy to dislike.

no . . . nVidia did NOT set the US/UK launch date for February . . . or there would be NOTHING to complain about.

. . . and it is "nitpicking" . . . something the nVidia fans have mastered. . . .
don't like it? . . . too bad

now what about availibility of that Ultra GTX?

LOL. I'm no nVidia fanboy. I think that what they did with the 7800GTX 512 is a disgrace.
If you would've read my post you would've seen that I also said some good things about ATi.
You can ask some people here, if they've seen my posts I don't post much, they can tell you that I'm not an nVidia fanboy.

EDIT:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20060120085028.html

According to Nvidia, the Asia Pacific region will see immediate availability of GeForce 7300 GS-based add-in cards in time for Chinese New Year. Availability in Europe and North America will follow in early February. GeForce 7300 GS-based PCs will also be available from the world?s leading system builders starting in early February.

i tried to clean up the quotes

i did not accuse you of anything

the link you provide is after the fact . . . nVidia "launched" the 7300 but forgot to tell 'us' that they wouldn't be available till Feb . . .

that's all



edit :
it's 'true' gamers could care less

LOL you didn't accuse me of anything, and I don't have a problem with being called a fanboy, because we all like some company more than another. I try to stay in the middle. (although I am sometimes an AMD fanboy). Just please, give some solid evidaence and I'll listen. I just think that you're wrong this time.
Anyway, is this better?
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=319

Brandon Hill - January 18, 2006 11:25 AM
GeForce 7300 GS based graphics cards are shipping now in the Asia-Pacific region. The United States will see availability in early Februrary with an estimated street price of around $99

when someone starts with "I'm no nVidia fanboy" in REPLY to my post, i get a little defensive



much better!
:thumbsup:

ANYway, the title of that article is "NVIDIA Hard Launches the GeForce 7300 GS"

in small print
[in Asia]



kinda like "ATi Hard Launches the x850xtPE"
[somewhere]

or "Who says the 512MB GTXs aren't available?"
[to reviewers]

 

[linkgoron]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: linkgoron

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: linkgoron

Originally posted by: apoppin


Can ANYone find a PL'd 7800gtx 512 . . . at MSRP and 'in stock'

Stop looking for reasons to hate nVidia. This is not a paper-launch, just as the ATi X1K launch wasn't paper (I don't think giving cards for benchmarks before release date is a bad thing).
So the cards weren't released in the US big deal. It has to be a world-wide release to get the "Hard Launch" title? So no launch will ever be a hard launch. Or maybe a launch is only a hard launch if the card is released in the center of the world, the only place with PCs, the US?
nVidia set a launch date for Early Feb in the US, and launched the card NOW in the East. What's wrong with that? They made no secret of it. It's not like they said "We're releasing it now in the US, and some nVidia insiders said that nVidia is lying to the world.
BTW, Some Games get launched first in japan, does that mean they're Paper launched in the US?

no reason to hate nVidia - whatsoever , , , , otoh, the nVdiots are pretty "special" and easy to dislike.

no . . . nVidia did NOT set the US/UK launch date for February . . . or there would be NOTHING to complain about.

. . . and it is "nitpicking" . . . something the nVidia fans have mastered. . . .
don't like it? . . . too bad

now what about availibility of that Ultra GTX?

LOL. I'm no nVidia fanboy. I think that what they did with the 7800GTX 512 is a disgrace.
If you would've read my post you would've seen that I also said some good things about ATi.
You can ask some people here, if they've seen my posts I don't post much, they can tell you that I'm not an nVidia fanboy.

EDIT:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20060120085028.html

According to Nvidia, the Asia Pacific region will see immediate availability of GeForce 7300 GS-based add-in cards in time for Chinese New Year. Availability in Europe and North America will follow in early February. GeForce 7300 GS-based PCs will also be available from the world?s leading system builders starting in early February.

i tried to clean up the quotes

i did not accuse you of anything

the link you provide is after the fact . . . nVidia "launched" the 7300 but forgot to tell 'us' that they wouldn't be available till Feb . . .

that's all



edit :
it's 'true' gamers could care less

LOL you didn't accuse me of anything, and I don't have a problem with being called a fanboy, because we all like some company more than another. I try to stay in the middle. (although I am sometimes an AMD fanboy). Just please, give some solid evidaence and I'll listen. I just think that you're wrong this time.
Anyway, is this better?
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=319

Brandon Hill - January 18, 2006 11:25 AM
GeForce 7300 GS based graphics cards are shipping now in the Asia-Pacific region. The United States will see availability in early Februrary with an estimated street price of around $99

when someone starts with "I'm no nVidia fanboy" in REPLY to my post, i get a little defensive



much better!
:thumbsup:

ANYway, the title of that article is "NVIDIA Hard Launches the GeForce 7300 GS"

in small print
[in Asia]

Oh and don't worry I won't call the mods even if you say I'm a fanboy or if you say I work for AEG or anything
and yes that"hard launch(in asia)" is funny. But still, proves that nVidia said from the start that Asia first, Feb-> rest of the world.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: linkgoron

Originally posted by: apoppin
when someone starts with "I'm no nVidia fanboy" in REPLY to my post, i get a little defensive

much better!
:thumbsup:

ANYway, the title of that article is "NVIDIA Hard Launches the GeForce 7300 GS"

in small print
[in Asia]

Oh and don't worry I won't call the mods even if you say I'm a fanboy or if you say I work for AEG or anything
and yes that"hard launch(in asia)" is funny. But still, proves that nVidia said from the start that Asia first, Feb-> rest of the world.

Yes they did . . . and the 'fault' evidently lies with the people who said "NVIDIA Hard Launches the GeForce 7300 GS" . . . not nVidia

i stand corrected





the Mods rarely visit Video [and usually in groups for their occasional forays here] . . . so tattling is no 'threat'

:laugh:

 

[schtuga]

there were a lot of threads building up to this card,leaked benches,hype etc,so no wonder people are disappointed it's not on shelves.sarcasm

But in reality,

Yes I feel it is paper launched the same as the x1800's that you could only get in the US and couldn't get here in Canada or in the UK for a FEW weeks after.

No difference,they were both paper launched,and if Nvidia is reverting back to their old ways,then shame on them .

You can say this is a low end card,but still ,the fact is it is officially released but not avilable for me to buy in the country I live in ,the same with the x1800's when they launched.

ATI appears to be stepping up to the plate now with this launch so we can only hope Nvidia continues to do the same.

 

[hemmy]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Rampage

Not on shelves on launch day= paper launch.

The X1800XT was on shelves the day of launch. In a real retail brick and mortar store, CompUSA. It was even available a few days before launch, online. The GTX however, was not available on store shelves the same day of launch. The X1800XL was on shelves two days after launch, thats pretty close.

Originally posted by: Rampage
And btw, if companies ship to the USA first and Asia later.. thats not a paper launch by your definition then?
All it needs to be is available in the world for anyone to order. I'm sure you could import a 7300 if you wanted.

Same was the case for the X1600, launched over seas first. Yet some NV fans claimed it was a paper launch. Lets apply the same standards across the board, not pick and choose.

Originally posted by: Rampage
Same couldnt be said for a lot of ATI products. ATI showed us what a paper launch is.
Nvidia showed us what a hard launch is. :thumbsup:

Paper launches happened well before ATi or NV came onto the 3D sceen. NV has paper launched many a card, just as ATi has. You must be new if you think it just started. Both have stepped up a lot recently. You claim a hard launch is cards on retail shelves. The 512MB GTX has never been on a store retail shelf, and is next to impossible to get even in a online store. Again, apply the same standards across the board, not when it fits your agenda.

The bottom line is, both NV and ATi for the last year or so, have had cards available at least online, the day of, or a few days after the release. Trying to play the "ATi paper launch" card is like saying ATi's drivers are still buggy and far behind NV's. Which is also incorrect, and silly.

But I guess looking at you sig tells me that you are hardly impartial.

You seem to defend ATI a lot, so what about you...

Also, the X1800XTs were not available in October, when they were launched, the X1800XL showed up soon after in a few stores like you said

The X1600 and X1300s were not available the same day of launch, even over seas, within the week they seen X1600s though

 

[hemmy]

Anyway, Here is one vote to close this thread

 

[Gamingphreek]

This is ridiculous:

Ati paper launched the X series after many delays. Ok they are out now end of story, i dont understand why people wont forgive them. Yes we dont want it to happen again, but it isn't like they stole your family fortune or something, they merely delayed a product.

Nvidia did NOT paper launch the 7300GS. They launched it in Asia first and then they explicitly stated that they were launching it in early February here in the states. Stop trying to cause problems and make it into more than it is.

As for the 7800GTX, it was indeed on the shelves the day Nvidia promised us. The GTX 512 was also on shelves, but was not, intentionally, widely available. It was set to have a very short life span and be in just enough supply for Nvidia to have the performance crown. Yeah, i dont agree with that methodology, but i can only imagine how expensive it was to produce those things.

-Kevin

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Topweasel
I think their is a miss understanding of ATIs launches, the fact is outside the X1900 (which I am sure it will be hard luanched and good for them) they still have not hard luanched a damn thing. They Luanched the whole X1K lineup in one day. then said next week for the only card available for the whole sieres the X1800XL, a month before you see the XT 2 months till X1600 and X1300. The fact that they got the availability dates mostly correct doesn't make their Paper luanch not a paper launch.

Nice double standard you have there. ATi has hard launched several cards lately. They didnt launch the whole X1K lineup in one day.

Originally posted by: Topweasel
While I commend Nvidia for Hard Luanching the GTX 512, I do condem them for the future lack of availability.

How you can call the 512MB a hard launch, and not the X1800XT one as well, is beyond me. They said the XT would be available a month after the XL launch, and it was. The XL was 2 days late, the XT a few days early. With cards always available after that. You could get either card easily, supply never ran out. You saying that NV hard launched the 512MB GTX, but not the X1800XT is just pure silliness. The "launches" were the same, both available to the public a few days early. Except that the XT supply never ran out, and the 512MB GTX supply did, and still has a few days after launch.

Originally posted by: Topweasel
But not of that is what is happening right now. They are hard luanching the card where the biggest market is for them. It is a hard launch even if you can't get your hands on it. You are not the most important person in the world. The fact is I am pretty sure they think most of the US will be looking towards the 6150 chipset for low end video anyways (atleast the OEMs are).

I never said I was the most important person in the world. Of course low end cards sell more, I didnt say otherwise.

Originally posted by: Topweasel
Paper Launch Announce Card without Product available to anybody but reviewers.

Hard Launch Announce Card with availability to prospective buyers same day.

We all know this? ATi has done this with the past few cards. With the exception of the X1800XL, which was available 2 days after launch, in actual retail stores, unlike NV's launches.

Originally posted by: Topweasel
I do have a question. If a company releases a product in the US. With availability there but with no availability in the UK. Then wouldn't by some of you guys this being seen as a paper launch anyways. by this reason the only product ever Hard Launched would be the Xbox360. Keep in mind as well this product was shipped in number exceeding a million and was still considered unavailable.

When did I say that launching overseas, but not here wasnt a hard launch?

Originally posted by: Topweasel
Nobody not even microsoft cn make everybody happy. For those getting worked up over this I will say this and only this. Take a chill pill bro.

Who said I was getting worked up? Im not, and dont need a chill pill, "bro".

Originally posted by: hemmy

You seem to defend ATI a lot, so what about you...

Also, the X1800XTs were not available in October, when they were launched, the X1800XL showed up soon after in a few stores like you said

The X1600 and X1300s were not available the same day of launch, even over seas, within the week they seen X1600s though

I "defend" both ATi and NV from misinformation. So what about me? What is that supposed to mean?

On October 5, 2005, the Radeon X1800 XL, X1300 Pro, and X1300 will be available.

On November 15, 2005, ATI claims that their top end Radeon X1800 XT will be available.

On November 30, 2005, the midrange cards -- the Radeon X1600 XT and X1600 Pro -- will be available.

Link They hit every one of these days, except the XL, it was 2 days late. ATi didnt say the XT would be available in Oct, they said Nov. 15th, and it was. In force, in retail shelves, unlike the GTX. The 1300 and 1600's were available in the UK, on, or before the launch.

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
As for the 7800GTX, it was indeed on the shelves the day Nvidia promised us. The GTX 512 was also on shelves, but was not, intentionally, widely available. It was set to have a very short life span and be in just enough supply for Nvidia to have the performance crown. Yeah, i dont agree with that methodology, but i can only imagine how expensive it was to produce those things.

-Kevin

Really, where is the proof that NV didnt have many cards available on purpose. I seriously doubt they held back cards.

Its sad when people have a double standard on things like this. Im done talking about it however, if some people want to continue thinking ATi paper launches everything, and NV never does, more power to them. Ignorance is bliss.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Really, where is the proof that NV didnt have many cards available on purpose. I seriously doubt they held back cards.

You misunderstand me. They had the cards available but after most of them sold that was it. The 7800GTX 512 was meant to have a very short lifetime before it ceased from what i understand.

Its sad when people have a double standard on things like this. Im done talking about it however, if some people want to continue thinking ATi paper launches everything, and NV never does, more power to them. Ignorance is bliss.

Ackmed you are fighting something you know full well is wrong. ATI was in relation to Nvidia months late on the arival of the new chips. Not only that they were indead paper launched at first.

Will we add October 5 to the list of memorable dates of 2005 - at least with regard to products launching and shipping on the same day? All vendors we've interviewed tell us that there will be no new ATI SKUs on their warehouse floors on the morning of October 5. Some report that they expect shipments within a few days, and others don't really expect shipments for at least a week; and all report that their initial SKUs will be "built by ATI" branded cards. This is not reminiscent of the GeForce 7xxx nor the Intel 6xx launch earlier this year, where the product was literally waiting to be shipped a week before the launch date. On the other hand, those waiting to buy some of ATI's new SKUs won't have to wait long, according to these vendors. Several vendors will happily accept pre orders, although vendors also tell us that the initial shipments of ATI's SKUs are of relatively low volume; at least when compared to the GeForce 7xxx launches of earlier this year.

So not only was that generation of cards from ATI launched late:

After months of delays, ATI finally provided us with their first 90nm GPUs to test.

but they were also paper launched afterwards as the statement i quoted above shows.
**

Keep in mind though, dont let these stupid launches affect your buying decisions. Yes, it is good to have them hard launched, on time, but it isn't the end of the world if they aren't.

-Kevin

 

[Kalessian]

Wow. Just... wow.

So I guess ATi has been the better hard-launcher this whole time?

 

[Kalessian]

You're really funny, Apo.

I guess by your definition the NES, SNES, PSX, PS2, the Genesis, Gameboys, etc etc etc + all of their games were paper-launched, then?

I love how Mike, our poster from Singapore, who claims he can go to the store RIGHT NOW and buy the damned card, is totally ignored.

 

[Michael]

I almost feel like going back to Sim Lim Square and buying one just to take a picture of me holding it to show that it is available. Like I said, Singapore is a fairly small market, so it isn't uncommon for items to be 1 - 2 weeks delayed compared to larger places in Asia like Taiwan.

It isn't in every shop, that'll be next week sometime.

I'm pretty sure the 7300GS is meant to capture the low-end of computer sales where the chipset doesn't have integrated graphics and the low-end of home PCs where the intent is to game only occassionally. I doubt that applied to most of the people here. I only care as it'll be cheap and I may need to buy a card to use for a few months until the next set of graphic cards are firmly out in the marketplace. I'm most interested in performance in Doom 3 and Half Life 2 compared to the 6600GT AGP that I'm currently running.

I wish that I was going to China or Korea next week so I could report back if I could find it there, but my next trip is likely to be to the USA.

Michael

 

[M0RPH]

So one person saw it in one store in Singapore. Wow, that's one hell of a launch.

Mike, the point here is that Nvidia has been trying to raise the bar with their hard launching strategy. With their GT and GTX launches, they had WIDESPREAD availability on launch day (read WIDESPREAD as WORLDWIDE) and they (and their fanboys) have been gloating about this ever since, critcizing ATI when they fall short of this standard in any way. If Nvidia really wanted to keep their high horse on this issue, they should have waited to launch the 7300 GS until it was available worldwide. At the very least in the major markets like North America and Europe.

 

[xtknight]

We as Americans don't call it a paper launch if it's available in the US and not China immediately. Why the double standards?

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: M0RPH
So one person saw it in one store in Singapore. Wow, that's one hell of a launch.

Mike, the point here is that Nvidia has been trying to raise the bar with their hard launching strategy. With their GT and GTX launches, they had WIDESPREAD availability on launch day (read WIDESPREAD as WORLDWIDE) and they (and their fanboys) have been gloating about this ever since, critcizing ATI when they fall short of this standard in any way. If Nvidia really wanted to keep their high horse on this issue, they should have waited to launch the 7300 GS until it was available worldwide. At the very least in the major markets like North America and Europe.

You fail to realise that NV will make more money in the asia market during this time of the year hence there decision to hard launch there. Asia as in China, Korea, Japan, India, Singapore etc. This market... is ALOT bigger than the American market. Plus china/india is worlds biggest ICT leaders.

Hard launched in Asia, LOTS of card (100,000+) and stated to be released in USA in early feb. What is there more to say?

ATi was 6 months late plus 1 month (and more for us New Zealanders and like). Contrasted by the release of 7800GTX/GT which was available here at the same moment in was launched. The 7800GTX 512 was also available at the day of its release here in New Zealand unlike the XTs/XLs. If you want to talk "worldwide" that make sure you know what your on about.

 

[Michael]

M0RPH,

First, I sign my name Michael and my user name is Michael. I don't go by Mike. I agree it is the usual nickname for Michael, but I honestly skip over posts where I see Mike being refered to because I figure it isn't me. Just a polite request.

Second, A pure paper launch is where there is just a press release and no cards at all. Slightly different is press release and only review cards. Then there are various degrees of actually launching cards into the distribution chain. For me, I prefer to see companies stick to what they say. So if a company says the card is ready and released, it should be released. From what I saw in the press release, NVIDIA said that they're releasing it in Asia and then the USA. I confirmed that, at least in my small corner, it is in regular retail shops in Asia.

Since I'm not involved in internet videocard wars these days (the last time I participated at all was when 3DFX was around and that was mainly for investing reasons), I don't really care about the point/counter point that ATi/NVIDIA fans feel they need to make. As far as I'm concerned, the card is available for me to buy should I wish one. End of story for me.

Michael

 

[GOREGRINDER]

ill tell ya somethin that is hardlaunched daily,....

crybabies that like to b!tch about anything,..anything they can find or twist around to suit,.. or thier day isnt complete,grow up,. the world doesnt revolve around anyone here,.. i dont care where you live

oh i guess nvidia should cater to only the US,... and other countries dont matter,.. so if its not in the USA it doesnt matter and not worth a cr@p,...i live in the USA,and thats the most immature,pathetic,narrow minded,a$$inine line of thinking

"oh the gpu isnt where "i" am, and "i" cant get one,..."i" dont plan on buying one,..but "i" dont like it cause,..its not here for me,me me!,..i hate nvidia whaaa whaaa",...yeah cry some more

and the fact this is all about a 7300 ?,...LOL

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: GOREGRINDER
ill tell ya somethin that is hardlaunched daily,....

crybabies that like to b!tch about anything,..anything they can find or twist around to suit,.. or thier day isnt complete,grow up,. the world doesnt revolve around anyone here,.. i dont care where you live

oh i guess nvidia should cater to only the US,... and other countries dont matter,.. so if its not in the USA it doesnt matter and not worth a cr@p,...i live in the USA,and thats the most immature,pathetic,narrow minded,a$$inine line of thinking

"oh the gpu isnt where "i" am, and "i" cant get one,..."i" dont plan on buying one,..but "i" dont like it cause,..its not here for me,me me!,..i hate nvidia whaaa whaaa",...yeah cry some more

and the fact this is all about a 7300 ?,...LOL

No doubt.

Sometime I think the authors are toddlers sitting in their own wastes. Posting here isn't what it used to be.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: GOREGRINDER
ill tell ya somethin that is hardlaunched daily,....

crybabies that like to b!tch about anything,..anything they can find or twist around to suit,.. or thier day isnt complete,grow up,. the world doesnt revolve around anyone here,.. i dont care where you live

oh i guess nvidia should cater to only the US,... and other countries dont matter,.. so if its not in the USA it doesnt matter and not worth a cr@p,...i live in the USA,and thats the most immature,pathetic,narrow minded,a$$inine line of thinking

"oh the gpu isnt where "i" am, and "i" cant get one,..."i" dont plan on buying one,..but "i" dont like it cause,..its not here for me,me me!,..i hate nvidia whaaa whaaa",...yeah cry some more

and the fact this is all about a 7300 ?,...LOL

No doubt.

Sometime I think the authors are toddlers sitting in their own wastes. Posting here isn't what it used to be.

you're right . . . there used to only be pro-nVidia FUD against ATI with very few ATi supporters posting:

crybabies that liked to b!tch about anything,..anything they could find or twist around to suit,.. or thier day isnt complete,grow up,. the world doesnt revolve around anyone here,.. i dont care where you live

oh i guess ATi should cater to only the US,... and other countries dont matter,.. so if its not in the USA it doesnt matter and not worth a cr@p,...i live in the USA,and thats the most immature,pathetic,narrow minded,a$$inine line of thinking

"oh the gpu isnt where "i" am, and "i" cant get one,..."i" dont plan on buying one,..but "i" dont like it cause,..its not here for me,me me!,..i hate ATi whaaa whaaa",...yeah cry some more

now . . . thanks in part to the ridiculous FUD you pro-nVidia guys posted over the last few years, the AT Video Forum has indeed become more "Fair and Balanced." :thumbsup:



'fixed' your quote

it goes both ways

 

[DeathReborn]

Originally posted by: GOREGRINDER
ill tell ya somethin that is hardlaunched daily,....

crybabies that like to b!tch about anything,..anything they can find or twist around to suit,.. or thier day isnt complete,grow up,. the world doesnt revolve around anyone here,.. i dont care where you live

oh i guess nvidia should cater to only the US,... and other countries dont matter,.. so if its not in the USA it doesnt matter and not worth a cr@p,...i live in the USA,and thats the most immature,pathetic,narrow minded,a$$inine line of thinking

"oh the gpu isnt where "i" am, and "i" cant get one,..."i" dont plan on buying one,..but "i" dont like it cause,..its not here for me,me me!,..i hate nvidia whaaa whaaa",...yeah cry some more

and the fact this is all about a 7300 ?,...LOL

QFT

Over here in backwater UK everything is last to arrive and overpriced (damned taxes) but we get by just like everyone else. Xbox 360 was NOT launched worldwide at the same time, the PS2 was not launched worldwide at the same time either. There is always one place that gets the stuff before we do (it's not Steve Ballmer, that's for sure).

To be perfectly honest, i'll never buy a Graphics Card or CPU or any other major PC Component without seeing some paper, some benchmarks, some analysis. It's how the game works, you announce something sometimes years in advance and it's release date slips and slides every which way you care to mention. nVidia are out to make money, that's all. They saw Asia as a prime market right now and decided to launch there first. Just be thankful they even bother with the low end, otherwise every tom, dick & harry that types an email will use a mid/high end card to do so, thereby straining supply.

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Topweasel
I think their is a miss understanding of ATIs launches, the fact is outside the X1900 (which I am sure it will be hard luanched and good for them) they still have not hard luanched a damn thing. They Luanched the whole X1K lineup in one day. then said next week for the only card available for the whole sieres the X1800XL, a month before you see the XT 2 months till X1600 and X1300. The fact that they got the availability dates mostly correct doesn't make their Paper luanch not a paper launch.

Nice double standard you have there. ATi has hard launched several cards lately. They didnt launch the whole X1K lineup in one day.

Originally posted by: Topweasel
While I commend Nvidia for Hard Luanching the GTX 512, I do condem them for the future lack of availability.

How you can call the 512MB a hard launch, and not the X1800XT one as well, is beyond me. They said the XT would be available a month after the XL launch, and it was. The XL was 2 days late, the XT a few days early. With cards always available after that. You could get either card easily, supply never ran out. You saying that NV hard launched the 512MB GTX, but not the X1800XT is just pure silliness. The "launches" were the same, both available to the public a few days early. Except that the XT supply never ran out, and the 512MB GTX supply did, and still has a few days after launch.

Originally posted by: Topweasel
But not of that is what is happening right now. They are hard luanching the card where the biggest market is for them. It is a hard launch even if you can't get your hands on it. You are not the most important person in the world. The fact is I am pretty sure they think most of the US will be looking towards the 6150 chipset for low end video anyways (atleast the OEMs are).

I never said I was the most important person in the world. Of course low end cards sell more, I didnt say otherwise.

Originally posted by: Topweasel
Paper Launch Announce Card without Product available to anybody but reviewers.

Hard Launch Announce Card with availability to prospective buyers same day.

We all know this? ATi has done this with the past few cards. With the exception of the X1800XL, which was available 2 days after launch, in actual retail stores, unlike NV's launches.

Originally posted by: Topweasel
I do have a question. If a company releases a product in the US. With availability there but with no availability in the UK. Then wouldn't by some of you guys this being seen as a paper launch anyways. by this reason the only product ever Hard Launched would be the Xbox360. Keep in mind as well this product was shipped in number exceeding a million and was still considered unavailable.

When did I say that launching overseas, but not here wasnt a hard launch?

Originally posted by: Topweasel
Nobody not even microsoft cn make everybody happy. For those getting worked up over this I will say this and only this. Take a chill pill bro.

Who said I was getting worked up? Im not, and dont need a chill pill, "bro".

Originally posted by: hemmy

You seem to defend ATI a lot, so what about you...

Also, the X1800XTs were not available in October, when they were launched, the X1800XL showed up soon after in a few stores like you said

The X1600 and X1300s were not available the same day of launch, even over seas, within the week they seen X1600s though

I "defend" both ATi and NV from misinformation. So what about me? What is that supposed to mean?

On October 5, 2005, the Radeon X1800 XL, X1300 Pro, and X1300 will be available.

On November 15, 2005, ATI claims that their top end Radeon X1800 XT will be available.

On November 30, 2005, the midrange cards -- the Radeon X1600 XT and X1600 Pro -- will be available.

Link They hit every one of these days, except the XL, it was 2 days late. ATi didnt say the XT would be available in Oct, they said Nov. 15th, and it was. In force, in retail shelves, unlike the GTX. The 1300 and 1600's were available in the UK, on, or before the launch.

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
As for the 7800GTX, it was indeed on the shelves the day Nvidia promised us. The GTX 512 was also on shelves, but was not, intentionally, widely available. It was set to have a very short life span and be in just enough supply for Nvidia to have the performance crown. Yeah, i dont agree with that methodology, but i can only imagine how expensive it was to produce those things.

-Kevin

Really, where is the proof that NV didnt have many cards available on purpose. I seriously doubt they held back cards.

Its sad when people have a double standard on things like this. Im done talking about it however, if some people want to continue thinking ATi paper launches everything, and NV never does, more power to them. Ignorance is bliss.

No You have it all wrong Ackmed.

The whole X1K series was Paper Luanched. They Launched the the whole line One day in early October. They then informed us about their availability which they missed by 2 days on the X1800XL and were 2-3 early on the X1800XT. the other cards are of little consiquence but none of them were available on launch date. I think this is where we differ You think that those availability dates are the Launch dates when relly They Original October 5th date was the intial launch.

Read this from HardOCP

What this means is that ATI is announcing their entire product lineup at once. This is unprecedented. Usually, we see ATI or NVIDIA launching their high-end GPUs first, followed by the midrange, and then the value segments on separate dates. However, ATI is going ahead and announcing their entire product lineup from top to bottom based on this new technology. Announcing an entire lineup is a interesting strategy, but product availability is another story. So much of what we see about the X1000 family of Radeon video cards today will once again be very much a "paper launch."



On October 5, 2005, the Radeon X1800 XL, X1300 Pro, and X1300 will be available. (Editor's Note: We will be searching throughout the day/week/month to see whether or not there is actual retail availability or if this is just another empty promise.) Didn't happen and the date the next day were pushed back a week, the X1800XT was still two day lae at that point.

On November 15, 2005, ATI claims that their top end Radeon X1800 XT will be available.
First online sightings were on the 12th I believe, which was nice but over a month after it was intially launched

On November 30, 2005, the midrange cards -- the Radeon X1600 XT and X1600 Pro -- will be available. This I don't remember if they hit it and in the end I really don't care. these cards hold almost no interest for me.

While everything is being announced today, you cannot buy everything today. There is no mention of CrossFire Master Cards either; it?s possible that these master cards won?t see the light of day for at least another month if not longer.




What it also doesn't mention is the Master cards have never shown up. I would be really pissed right now If I purchased a X1800XT with the dream of adding another one later. and now almost 4 months after the Launch of the card their is still no Master card.

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
This is ridiculous:

Ati paper launched the X series after many delays. Ok they are out now end of story, i dont understand why people wont forgive them. Yes we dont want it to happen again, but it isn't like they stole your family fortune or something, they merely delayed a product.

Nvidia did NOT paper launch the 7300GS. They launched it in Asia first and then they explicitly stated that they were launching it in early February here in the states. Stop trying to cause problems and make it into more than it is.

As for the 7800GTX, it was indeed on the shelves the day Nvidia promised us. The GTX 512 was also on shelves, but was not, intentionally, widely available. It was set to have a very short life span and be in just enough supply for Nvidia to have the performance crown. Yeah, i dont agree with that methodology, but i can only imagine how expensive it was to produce those things.

-Kevin

I think you miss understand right now my only beef with ATI is the Lack of Master Cards for the XT. Without it ATIs best solution is easily toppled with the purchase of 2 7800GTs which only happen to cost an extra $100. The reason I won't let the Paper launh thing go is due to people trying to refer to it has a hard launch. The quality in which they met the announced availability date is commendable but it was still no hard launch. Its those same people that are saying that no availability in the US mean Paper launch.

But None of those mater we are weeks from the X1900XT just over a month away from the 7900. Let the battle continue and the benchmarks fly. But I will insitute a temporary (probably till the r600) Ban on even thinking of an ATI product if the don't the master cards for the X1900XT available at or near launch. Sometimes even if the other solution is worse (not say Nvidia is I love their products) Its worth it to take a stand against continual screwups. This Crossfire/Master card scandal has gone on long enough.