Back to reality....Bin Laden Warns of Retaliation for Iraqi Deaths

conjur

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http://reuters.myway.com/artic...URITY-BINLADEN-DC.html
DUBAI (Reuters) - Osama bin Laden said in a full Internet broadcast of last Friday's video that President Bush had dragged the United States into a quagmire in Iraq and warned of retaliation for Iraqi deaths.

The complete 18-minute tape was posted on Web sites often used by Islamists on Wednesday after Arab television station Al Jazeera aired excerpts last week in which bin Laden warned of possible new Sept. 11-style attacks.

Al Jazeera did not screen bin Laden's remarks on Iraq.


All of that talk from Bush this campaign season has moved us nowhere near closer to winning the war on terror nor correcting things in Iraq.


Let's see if Bush can walk the walk now.
 

jpeyton

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al-Qaeda has no reason to hold back now that the great Crusader is back in office.
 

T2T III

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Back to fear-mongering...

I think it's not fear mongering, but rather: "Survival Skills for Liberal Voters" under the guise of fear mongering. :roll:

 

Pliablemoose

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Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Back to fear-mongering...

I think it's not fear mongering, but rather: "Survival Skills for Liberal Voters" under the guise of fear mongering. :roll:


At least that asshole (OBL) has a lot of red states to try to pick on...
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: PingSpike
I do not see why this guy isn't dead yet.
Didn't you get the memo? Saddam was an imminent threat! He was going to turn Cincinnati into a mushroom cloud.
 

T2T III

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: PingSpike
I do not see why this guy isn't dead yet.
Didn't you get the memo? Saddam was an imminent threat! He was going to turn Cincinnati into a mushroom cloud.

He should have. That way, Ohio wouldn't be the "voting mess capital of 2004."

* In reality, nuclear war is horrible and I would not wish it on anyone , any country or any state.

 

assemblage

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That's nothing new. OBL has a whole list of excuses to murder Americans and any other non muslim.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: assemblage
That's nothing new. OBL has a whole list of excuses to murder Americans and any other non muslim.
It's just that Bush has moved to the top of that list.
 

Codewiz

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: assemblage
That's nothing new. OBL has a whole list of excuses to murder Americans and any other non muslim.
It's just that Bush has moved to the top of that list.


We were at the top of the list long before Bush took office.
 

Corn

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: assemblage
That's nothing new. OBL has a whole list of excuses to murder Americans and any other non muslim.
It's just that Bush has moved to the top of that list.


Seek help.
 

GTaudiophile

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Talk to the hand, Osama, because GUESS WHAT???

Now that Bush doesn't have to worry about getting re-elected, THE GLOVES CAN COME OFF!!!

Sings *Bombs over Baghdad...Bombs over Baghdad*
 

0marTheZealot

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OBL is worse a foe when he's dead than alive. When he dies, there will be 500 more just like him overnight.

As much as we hate Osama, much of the disenfranchised Muslim World adores him. He is their George Washington.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
OBL is worse a foe when he's dead than alive. When he dies, there will be 500 more just like him overnight.

As much as we hate Osama, much of the disenfranchised Muslim World adores him. He is their George Washington.
Sorry, invading Iraq already created that 500 more just like him. A prime example is Zarqawi. That name ring any bells?
 
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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
OBL is worse a foe when he's dead than alive. When he dies, there will be 500 more just like him overnight.

As much as we hate Osama, much of the disenfranchised Muslim World adores him. He is their George Washington.
Sorry, invading Iraq already created that 500 more just like him. A prime example is Zarqawi. That name ring any bells?
Zarqawi was wreaking havoc long before the US invaded Iraq. Bush did not cause him to become a radical. He was already there.

 
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Originally posted by: conjur
http://reuters.myway.com/artic...URITY-BINLADEN-DC.html
DUBAI (Reuters) - Osama bin Laden said in a full Internet broadcast of last Friday's video that President Bush had dragged the United States into a quagmire in Iraq and warned of retaliation for Iraqi deaths.

The complete 18-minute tape was posted on Web sites often used by Islamists on Wednesday after Arab television station Al Jazeera aired excerpts last week in which bin Laden warned of possible new Sept. 11-style attacks.

Al Jazeera did not screen bin Laden's remarks on Iraq.


All of that talk from Bush this campaign season has moved us nowhere near closer to winning the war on terror nor correcting things in Iraq.


Let's see if Bush can walk the walk now.

Yup, not to shocking. This time though, when something like 911 happens in the US, guess what other countries are going to say. Toguh sh!t, especially to George Bush.
 

raildogg

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
al-Qaeda has no reason to hold back now that the great Crusader is back in office.

You libs wish America was attacked, you really do. Deny it all you want.

You guys are furious that Bush is back in power, so all you can do is hope that things go bad for America. Keep hoping.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
OBL is worse a foe when he's dead than alive. When he dies, there will be 500 more just like him overnight.

As much as we hate Osama, much of the disenfranchised Muslim World adores him. He is their George Washington.
Sorry, invading Iraq already created that 500 more just like him. A prime example is Zarqawi. That name ring any bells?
Zarqawi was wreaking havoc long before the US invaded Iraq. Bush did not cause him to become a radical. He was already there.
Protected by the US's no-fly zone...but he wasn't launching attacks on a daily basis.
 

Tylanner

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
OBL is worse a foe when he's dead than alive. When he dies, there will be 500 more just like him overnight.

As much as we hate Osama, much of the disenfranchised Muslim World adores him. He is their George Washington.
Sorry, invading Iraq already created that 500 more just like him. A prime example is Zarqawi. That name ring any bells?


Really?

He spent 7 years in prison for trying to overthrow the Monarchy "establish an Islamic caliphate".

"The next stop on his itinerary was his old stamping ground - Afghanistan.

He is believed to have set up a training camp in the western city of Herat, near the border with Iran.

Students at his camp supposedly became experts in the manufacture and use of poison gases."



First link on google closes the door on your ignorant comment...
 
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Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Back to fear-mongering...

I think it's not fear mongering, but rather: "Survival Skills for Liberal Voters" under the guise of fear mongering. :roll:


At least that asshole (OBL) has a lot of red states to try to pick on...

:thumbsup:
 
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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
OBL is worse a foe when he's dead than alive. When he dies, there will be 500 more just like him overnight.

As much as we hate Osama, much of the disenfranchised Muslim World adores him. He is their George Washington.
Sorry, invading Iraq already created that 500 more just like him. A prime example is Zarqawi. That name ring any bells?
Zarqawi was wreaking havoc long before the US invaded Iraq. Bush did not cause him to become a radical. He was already there.
Protected by the US's no-fly zone...but he wasn't launching attacks on a daily basis.
Wrong. See Tylanner's post above.

 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: jpeyton
al-Qaeda has no reason to hold back now that the great Crusader is back in office.

You libs wish America was attacked, you really do. Deny it all you want.

You guys are furious that Bush is back in power, so all you can do is hope that things go bad for America. Keep hoping.

Thanks for telling me how I think!

Believe it or not (probably not, but it's worth a try), I don't want America to be attacked. I want things to go good, and come June 2005, I plan on working for the government defending this country. You think you're so smart, but you don't have the slightest clue as to what really goes on in anyone else's head...so shut your mouth before you make yourself look even stupider.

And I challenge you to say that to anyone's face. Telling any real American, liberal or conservative, that you think they want America to be attacked just to make the other guy look bad, and you'll probably be eating through a straw for a while. Call me an e-thug or whatever, but I honestly would hurt you if you said that to my face.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Tylanner
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
OBL is worse a foe when he's dead than alive. When he dies, there will be 500 more just like him overnight.

As much as we hate Osama, much of the disenfranchised Muslim World adores him. He is their George Washington.
Sorry, invading Iraq already created that 500 more just like him. A prime example is Zarqawi. That name ring any bells?
Really?

He spent 7 years in prison for trying to overthrow the Monarchy "establish an Islamic caliphate".

"The next stop on his itinerary was his old stamping ground - Afghanistan.

He is believed to have set up a training camp in the western city of Herat, near the border with Iran.

Students at his camp supposedly became experts in the manufacture and use of poison gases."



First link on google closes the door on your ignorant comment...
Really?

Why Bush let Iraq's top terrorist walk.
http://slate.msn.com/id/2108880/
By Daniel Benjamin
Posted Friday, Oct. 29, 2004, at 2:08 PM PT


Why didn't the Bush administration kill Abu Musab al-Zarqawi when it had the chance?

That it had opportunities to take out the Jordanian-born jihadist has been clear since Secretary of State Colin Powell devoted a long section of his February 2003 speech to the United Nations Security Council. In those remarks, which were given to underscore the threat posed by Saddam Hussein, Powell dwelt at length on the terrorist camp in Khurmal, in the pre-invasion Kurdish enclave. It was at that camp that Zarqawi, other jihadists who had fled Afghanistan, and Kurdish radicals were training and producing the poison ricin and cyanide.

Neither the Khurmal camp nor the surrounding area were under Saddam's control, but Powell provided much detail purporting to show Zarqawi's ties to the Baghdad regime. His arguments have since been largely discredited by the intelligence community. Many of us who have worked in counterterrorism wondered at the time about Powell's claims. If we knew where the camp of a leading jihadist was and knew that his followers were working on unconventional weapons, why weren't we bombing it or sending in special operations forces?especially since this was a relatively "permissive" environment?

In recent months, the mystery of the administration's inaction has only grown. News reports?including, most recently, one in the Wall Street Journal this week?make it clear that military leaders and the CIA felt Zarqawi was a threat that could and should be removed. On at least three occasions between mid-2002 and the invasion of Iraq, the Pentagon presented plans to the White House to destroy the Khurmal camp. Each time the White House declined to act or did not respond at all.

It is impossible to see that refusal as anything other than an enormous blunder. This week Zarqawi claimed responsibility for executing 49 Iraqi army recruits. Since shortly after Saddam was toppled, Zarqawi's Tawhid wal Jihad group has been astonishingly effective at undermining the U.S. occupation. These operatives have killed wholesale, with a long string of car and truck bombs to their credit, and they have killed retail, with the videotaped executions of hostages, which have become must-see TV in the Muslim world and are driving contractors and NGOs out of the country. There is no reliable tally of Zarqawi's victims, but it would not be surprising if it was over 1,000. The issue of why no attempt to get him was made has become even more pungent since President Bush began pointing to Zarqawi in response to Sen. John Kerry's contention that Iraq was a diversion from the war on terror.

Despite numerous press inquiries and questions from Capitol Hill, the administration has never given a straight answer about why it held back. Some officials have offered the excuse that there was no certainty that Zarqawi would be present at the camp when an attack took place. This is unpersuasive. Even if there was no guarantee?and recently retired military officials say the terrorist was, in fact, living at the site?there should have been some urgency about destroying a camp where jihadists were producing ricin. This isn't a parlor gamer: In early 2003, British police dismantled a jihadist cell that was linked to Zarqawi and was planning attacks involving ricin.

What seems evident is that the administration viewed Zarqawi as a lower-tier concern, despite his well-known history of running an Afghan terrorist training camp and conducting terrorist operations in Europe. The White House was unwilling to divert any effort from the buildup for war in Iraq to this kind of threat.

The idea that states are the real issue and terrorists and their organizations are of secondary concern has been present throughout the Bush presidency. Although the 9/11 commission wrote its report in a spare, non-judgmental tone to preserve bipartisan unity, its description of the long, aimless road the administration took to the first meeting of its national security Cabinet on the issue of al-Qaida on Sept. 4, 2001, speaks volumes. By contrast, the first "principals" meeting on the issue of regime change in Iraq took place in January 2001, shortly after Bush's inauguration.

After 9/11, senior officials such as Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and his deputy, Paul Wolfowitz, simply refused to believe the assessment of the intelligence community that Iraq had no hand in the attack and that al-Qaida operated independently of state support. In the Pentagon's conduct of operations in Afghanistan, the overwhelming focus was on unseating the Taliban, the effective state power, while less attention was paid to pursuing al-Qaida, which had just killed nearly 3,000 people on American soil. Thus we had the debacle at Tora Bora, where our subcontractors, the militias of Afghan warlords, allowed Osama Bin Laden to escape.

Similarly, the relentless focus on Saddam Hussein has led to the removal from Afghanistan of key intelligence and special operations assets, including much of the elite commando unit Task Force 5. This, like the case of the pulled punch against Zarqawi, suggests that the Bush team continued to believe that states were the key threats in the post-9/11 world; terrorist groups could easily be swept up after the rogue nations had been dispatched. The much vaunted doctrine of pre-emption was employed against Iraq?a state that was effectively deterred from attacking the United States?while undeterrable terrorists were left to their own devices.

It seems never to have occurred to President Bush and his advisers that in a globalized world, where borders are porous and technologies of massive destructiveness are available, hidden networks can be far more dangerous than a state, which can be threatened and contained. Yet that surely has been the lesson of the last three years. It is an added irony that the administration's inability to fully assimilate the threat from "non-state actors" is leading, thanks in part to Zarqawi, to the failure of its effort to reinvent Iraq as a stable democracy in the Middle East.


Daniel Benjamin, a fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, was director for counterterrorism on the National Security Council staff. He is the co-author of The Age of Sacred Terror.