Back to gravel roads?

[bruceb]

Gravel roads are fine, when properly compacted. The issues comes from vehicles using off road / mud type tires. They have wide tread spacing and as such can kick up more gravel.

 

[techs]

I think techs was confused If you count "surplus" as in insane projections of DOW at 28,000,000, yes million, to justify future benefits such as pensions, yes then we had a surplus.

http://www.businessinsider.com/california-pension-dow-25000-2010-6

It's not only been proven time and time again that we had budget surpluses in 2010, even Bush and the Republican party acknowledge it.

 

[Homerboy]

Then don't complain about your taxes being higher, when they're used to pay for something that amounts to nothing more than avoiding an inconvenience. Everybody wants less taxes and less spending, but no one wants to give up ANYTHING.

EXACTLY. It's similar to the "Buy American!" motto... when ever factory worker thinks they deserve $30/hr.

 

[Greenman]

most union is not going to have any illegals though.

Check out the Iron workers union.

 

[techs]

most union is not going to have any illegals though.

Check out the Iron workers union.

I would REALLY like to see your evidence of this, if you have any.

It is almost never in a unions best interests to hire illegals since they are at the mercy of the employer who could have them deported at will.
Virtually all unions only want legal workers.

 

[EagleKeeper]

It's not only been proven time and time again that we had budget surpluses in 2010, even Bush and the Republican party acknowledge it.

There was a PROJECTED surplus in 2000.

But the government always uses rase colored glasses to project income and ignore expenses.

I have no idea how you can even claim with a straight face (even a just a face) that there is a surplus in 2010. If so, you are a bigger partisan FOOL that anyone thought.

 

[child of wonder]

And I'm prooooud to be an American cause at least I know I'm...

*ring*

Hello?

What do you mean our national debt is past due? The check's in the mail. We're good for it! Come on, we only need to borrow another $10 trillion more! Things will turn around eventually! The tax cuts? Uhh.... we needed to stimulate our economy! Yeah! Fine... we'll get you a payment tomorrow.

*click*

Fire up the printing presses boys! Yee haw!!!!!

 

[Numenorean]

Gravel roads are fine if they're maintained.

When they get washboarded and potholed, they suck.

Eh, just decrease your tire pressure. Smooths it out nice.

 

[PingSpike]

So, if you want good roads that won't fuck up your car then vote for the politician who promises higher taxes. It isn't all that difficult.

LOL...so naive. First of all, no politician promises higher taxes. Nobody votes for higher taxes. They'll probably just raise fees, create a convoluted double taxation system (which often costs as much to administer as it takes in, requiring taxes to rise further) or remove difficult to understand but commonly used tax breaks instead because that confuses the population which prevents them from organizing or communicating about how they are getting screwed. They'll scratch their heads in confusion, shrug their shoulders and blame whichever political party they liked least.

And revenue in doesn't mean its going to go somewhere where its needed, certainly not somewhere that is WANTED by one individual. If any of the taxes accidentally go towards stuff you want more of (or the politician feels its politically advantageous to support at this moment) it'll probably be about 2% of the additionally collected amount and be eaten up by inflation. Many things, like roads, have been routinely shortchanged for so long that they're collapsing anyway and are beyond the point where maintenance can save them. Most of the money will probably be spend building a new tennis court near some rich donor's house, or creating pointless high paying redundant administrative positions as favors. The rest will be used to service the ever growing amount of debt, which we apparently just have to keep at bay until it starts raining gold bars any day now.

 

[PingSpike]

I tried to find the link but couldn't. There was a story in the Star Tribune not to long ago that mentioned Minneapolis was considering doing the same thing. If I remember correctly, the story said asphalt costs somewhere around 400 dollars/ton while gravel is in the neighborhood of 200/ton. Even 200 sounds a bit high so I'll try and find the link again when I get home.

I really hope they don't start putting gravel down here. The winters around here would tear them to shreds in weeks!

The plan is this I suspect: After not doing the required repair work to keep the asphalt roads in passable shape, they are basically condemned and need full replacement. They will replace them with a cheaper alternative, and then do even less repairs than before while that roads falls apart even further.

 

[Red Dawn]

You need to look up racist in dictionary. While you're at it look up bitch, pansy, metro, queer, and effeminate you might see someone you know.

I get this

 

[MotF Bane]

Go back to TFNN or whatever the fuck it's called.

I laughed...

Go fuck yourself, you emo pubescent retard. How long have you been working and how much to you pay in taxes? Oh, that's right, you suck at the public tit and brag about it.

My shit smells better than your breath.

...and there's why.

 

[MotF Bane]

Heck, roads are being torn up and resurfaced all the time in Eastern MA.

They'll spend years going by spraying down that black sealant on cracks for some roads; while other roads get ripped up on an almost yearly basis - and those roads usually don't need it (after all, they're freshly done), or they do need it because whoever did it did such a fucking terrible job of it. And the roads that really need the repairs will get passed up frequently - maybe the selectmen, the committee, the mayor, or whoever else makes the decisions don't travel on those roads.

 

[Modelworks]

Gravel is okay for low speed roads but don't think for a minute you can use it for a 60mph highway . A good material for roads is shredded recycled tires. They shred the tires into bits about the size of a dime and lay it down in thick layers. It last for years and tolerates weather well.

As for asphalt has anyone given any thought to what they will make roads out of when all the oil is gone ?

 

[Modelworks]

They'll spend years going by spraying down that black sealant on cracks for some roads; while other roads get ripped up on an almost yearly basis - and those roads usually don't need it (after all, they're freshly done), or they do need it because whoever did it did such a fucking terrible job of it. And the roads that really need the repairs will get passed up frequently - maybe the selectmen, the committee, the mayor, or whoever else makes the decisions don't travel on those roads.

The roads here in NC are so bad that a major road near me has weeds about 2 feet high growing through the cracks where the yellow lines are in the center.

They fixed it though, they sprayed some of the black sealant that lasted a whole month.

Dont worry citizens , the government will fix it. They just gave a couple hundred million to pakistan for roads and other development.

 

[child of wonder]

Wall Street and other businesses get billions in bailout money and we get gravel roads.

Awesome.

 

[rpanic]

Guess it’s only ok for us to build roads for other countries now; we need some warlords to get some of our tax dollars back.

 

[fatpat268]

A good material for roads is shredded recycled tires. They shred the tires into bits about the size of a dime and lay it down in thick layers. It last for years and tolerates weather well.

Never heard of that... but is that similar to the surface they use for running tracks?

 

[PimpJuice]

It sounds like Ford factories should cranking out Model T's again.

Oh, I don't feel a bit bad for you pussies in your clearcoated fart can cars. Suck it up and accept the dings and dents.

You don't feel bad because you're poor. You're probably poor because you're a moron.

 

[shiner]

Every road crew I've seen it's like 10 standing in circle jerk and one dude working. Unsustainable.

 

[BoberFett]

You need to look up racist in dictionary. While you're at it look up bitch, pansy, metro, queer, and effeminate you might see someone you know.

Damn, that made me laugh. Thanks Zebo.

 

[Red Dawn]

Damn, that made me laugh. Thanks Zebo.

You still ride? Wouldn't be so much fun if all the roads were gravel.

 

[BoberFett]

You still ride? Wouldn't be so much fun if all the roads were gravel.

Maybe if the feds would stop stealing so much money, states would be able to keep their roads up. But we wouldn't want that. How could we stay in a perpetual state of war without a massive federal government?

 

[Modelworks]

Never heard of that... but is that similar to the surface they use for running tracks?

It is very similar. They started the idea with tracks just using the shreds, then shredded it finer for use in playgrounds and then moved to home driveways and now are using it on roads. Its shredding the tires into bits then mixing it with just enough asphalt to hold it all together.

http://www.azdot.gov/quietroads/what_is_rubberized_asphalt.asp

Rubberized asphalt consists of regular asphalt paving mixed with “crumb rubber” -- ground, used tires that would otherwise be discarded or take up space in landfills. Used tires are processed by separating the casings, fabric and steel. The extracted rubber then is ground to the consistency of ground coffee. Rubberized asphalt has the benefit of being smoother and quieter. Noise readings have shown the rubberized asphalt generally reduces tire noise by an average of 4 decibels.

Approximately 1,500 tires are used for every lane-mile of rubberized paving.
• It does not reflect cracks from the existing pavement;
• It is more durable and skid-resistant than conventional asphalt; and,
• It reduces traffic noise and provides a smooth, quiet ride.

Noise Tests on Chip seal and Asphalt Rubber pavements on 7th Street by the City of Phoenix showed a decrease of about 10 decibels, or about 90% reduction in noise level. Research shows reduction in noise levels of 50 to 75% is commonly attained.

During the 1990s, the city resurfaced more than 200 miles of streets with 450,000 tons of rubberized asphalt, which used about 1.1 million old tires. The city reported that rubberized asphalt place on Dobbins Road in 1989 has performed without maintenance for 14 years and has an estimated life span of up to 18 years.

 

[tk149]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chipseal

SHITTY. It was recently done to a well traveled road by my house. Noisy as fuck.

I live in a typical subdivision, and the city chipsealed my neighborhood a few weeks ago. I was wondering when the city was going to finish the job until I looked it up on the city's website and found that they actually are done with it.

It's a lot crappier than the asphalt we had before. Driving slowly on the street still kicks up a lot of rocks. You can see tire impressions where people have turned into their driveways.

I just wrote my alderperson asking when the city is going to fix the roads.