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I have no problem with people saying both companies have driver issues. Nvidia seems to have a lot of general issues while AMD seems to have a lot specific game issues. what I have problem with is people lying by saying they have never had an issue in 5 or 6 years.

Stop thread crapping. It's one thing to make generalized statements, it's another thing entirely to claim a number of people are liars
-ViRGE
 
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at80eighty

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fwiw toyota - ive had more crashes on nvidia cards. granted ive had more green than red, all of them considered, however, i find the fear campaign pointless
 

dguy6789

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you people claiming to NEVER have issues since the old 9000 series days are flat out liars or do not play many games.

Most driver problems are caused by user error. Some people have known how to set up a computer longer than you, that is all. You don't need to call them liars.
 

toyota

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Most driver problems are caused by user error. Some people have known how to set up a computer longer than you, that is all.
lol, yeah that must be it. I guess hotfixes and driver updates are to fix user errors? :rolleyes:
 
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watek

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there are driver problems

sometimes clocks get stuck in low state mode (400/900 or idle clocks)
missing textures in games/or doesn't render right
low performance (of course this is very YMMV)

I think i've been using AMD gpu's for about 10 or 12 years now and these problems come and go because of upgrades and what not.
 

waffleironhead

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I have no problem with people saying both companies have driver issues. Nvidia seems to have a lot of general issues while AMD seems to have a lot specific game issues. what I have problem with is people lying by saying they have never had an issue in 5 or 6 years.

Its pretty classy of you to call people liars when you have no proof of such. If they have not personally experienced any driver related problems, who are you to claim otherwise? You are free to be skeptical, but its downright rude of you to call them liars.

BTW, do you have any proof of your earlier claim about "more issues with more games", or are you a liar? ;)
 

toyota

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Its pretty classy of you to call people liars when you have no proof of such. If they have not personally experienced any driver related problems, who are you to claim otherwise? You are free to be skeptical, but its downright rude of you to call them liars.

BTW, do you have any proof of your earlier claim about "more issues with more games", or are you a liar? ;)
because it is impossible to not to have at least one issue in a period of 5-6 years. so if someone is claiming to never have issues then they are not playing a lot of games.
 

TakeNoPrisoners

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because it is impossible to not to have at least one issue in a period of 5-6 years. so if someone is claiming to never have issues then they are not playing a lot of games.

It is certainly possible, and you even admit it yourself in this post.
 

thilanliyan

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you people claiming to NEVER have issues since the old 9000 series days are flat out liars or do not play many games. from what I have seen, AMD has more issues with games especially new releases. I am also on many game forums and it is hilarious seeing how many drivers and/or hotfixes AMD users have to go through sometimes just to get one game to work properly only to have to change to another driver for another game. yes that can happen for Nvidia too but it most certainly happens more often for AMD.

Sorry that you have had so many issues, but my first ATI card was a 9600XT, followed by X800GTO2, X1800XL, 4870, and 6950...and I don't recall having issues on any of those cards. I don't play every game out there but I have had no issues that prevented me from playing the games I was playing.

Even with nV, the only noteworthy issues I've had was that Splinter Cell: Double Agent and Gothic 3 wouldn't work properly on my 8800GTS 640, and they were fixed eventually IIRC.
 
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toyota

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Sorry that you have had so many issues, but my first ATI card was a 9600XT, followed by X800GTO2, X1800XL, 4870, and 6950...and I don't recall having issues on any of those cards. I don't play every game out there but I have had no issues that prevented me from playing the games I was playing.

Even with nV, the only noteworthy issues I've had was that Splinter Cell: Double Agent and Gothic 3 wouldn't work properly on my 8800GTS 640.
I have not had many issues but to say I have never had one at all is silly. I think if people think back and analyze all those years then they will remember little problems here and there. saying you never had an issue is just a knee jerk reaction. there are plenty of documented cases that prove issues have happened in many games. if you are an avid gamer it would be impossible to have avoided every one of the situations. not to mention all the other issues not even related to gaming.
 
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toyota

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Hmm. Prove it.
lol okay. Clear Sky RAGE, GTA 4, and other big games had more issues with AMD and you know it. with nvidia you can usually have one driver and never change for a long time. with AMD you will certainly have to go through multiple drivers or hotfixes if you are trying to play all current games. I never have trouble recommending AMD cards but from what I have seen that they do have more game issues.
 

blackened23

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Almost as bad as Dragon Age 2 was at release for nvidia cards (unplayable due to horrible framerates, took a month to fix with better drivers). Oddly enough, DA2 was fine on AMD cards at release. or Just Cause 2 at release - broken, with flickering in SLI configurations.

We could tit for tat all day on driver issues and specific examples of failing. OP was posting that he liked his new 7970. He didn't say anything about driver issues that I've seen. I'm not directing this at you or saying you in particular, but attacking AMD because of "drivers" is the new "thing" with many nvidia fans. Just get the card you like with the software you like! Live and let live etc.
 
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toyota

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Almost as bad as Dragon Age 2 was at release for nvidia cards (unplayable due to horrible framerates, took a month to fix with better drivers). Oddly enough, DA2 was fine on AMD cards at release. or Just Cause 2 at release - broken, with flickering in SLI configurations.

We could tit for tat all day on driver issues and specific examples of failing. IMO, I'm not sure why you're even posting about this stuff in this thread, OP was posting that he liked his new 7970. He didn't say anything about driver issues that I've seen.
yes Dragon Age 2 was a well known problem for Nvidia. again from all the forums I am on and my own experience, AMD certainly has more game issues though. its the reason I personally switched back to Nvidia.

do you think I just randomly brought up drivers? my comments were because some people claim to NEVER have any issue even dating back to 9000 series. that is a load of crap because if you play games then you will have encountered an issue at some point no mater if its AMD or Nvidia.
 

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yes Dragon Age 2 was a well known problem for Nvidia. again from all the forums I am on and my own experience, AMD certainly has more game issues though. its the reason I personally switched back to Nvidia.

do you think I just randomly brought up drivers? my comments were because some people claim to NEVER have any issue even dating back to 9000 series. that is a load of crap because if you play games then you will have encountered an issue at some point no mater if its AMD or Nvidia.

Personally never had any issues with my AMD 4870 card that I used for many years for gaming and beta games testing...I'm using a Nvidia 560Ti 2Gb card now but only because I've upgraded my PC and got a good deal.

End of the day I have no issues with either AMD or Nvidia in general for gaming(I did have a lot of CTD in Skyrim but latest Skyrim patch fixed that so the game was the cause).
You will always get die hard fans on both sides,I normally ignore them because 99% of time they talk crap.

Bottom line I will buy AMD or Nvidia again,no complaints from me.
I do wish Matrox would get back into gaming we need more then a 2 horse race.
 
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because it is impossible to not to have at least one issue in a period of 5-6 years. so if someone is claiming to never have issues then they are not playing a lot of games.

Depends on the games in question and what's the cause of the issue,we all play different games over the years etc...great example of game specific issue was Skyrim,many users on both sides had a lot of CTD on both AMD and Nvidia cards,however the problem was the game not the drivers as latest patch fixed(that lets the game use more then 2GB of ram) the issue for most people.

You can argue some users do have or get issues and that's true of any hardware or brand,however they are also many happy gamers out there as well.

I will say no game over the years has given me as much headaches as Skyrim with the amount of CTD I use to have.....I could of blamed my Nvidia card but no I'm level headed person and made sure my PC was stable under stress test and also stable in other games,end of the day its easy to blame or point the finger rather then do some detective work.
 

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Completely agree. Funny thing is that most of the AMD bashers i've talked to haven't even used an AMD/ATI card in years.

Their drivers are much improved and i personally have had no issues with them.

My current card is an Nvidia but only because i got a better deal at the time. I'm not partial to either, just whoever has the best performance for the price :)

Their drivers are a lot better than they used to be, however I've found that support tends to dwindle somewhat when your card becomes 1 generation old, my 4870 crossfire rig was really good but I started having a lot of issues near the end of the 4xxx gen and soon swapped to a 5970 in the next gen line up, again that was fine for a long time but when the 6xxx gen came out support seemed to be dwindling again, eventually I abandoned that for a 580.

Part of that problem is made worse because of multi-gpu but I can't help but feel it probably spills over to the single GPU cards as well. I'm hesitant to judge based on how products launch these days, how support lasts into the following years is equally as important, if not more so.
 

Obsoleet

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AMD drivers are better than Nvidia. Period. Ever since Vista and since Fermi this is damn near indisputable. The final, definitive iron hammer?
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/warning-nvidia-19675-drivers-can-kill-your-graphics-card/7551

ATI drivers were worse than Nvidia, that's an old wives tale but there was some truth behind the rumor.

Both have issues with games here and there, and while NV NEEDS to release hotfixes and previews- they don't. So games end up without a fix for a very, very long time.
Example would be Kings Bounty, that game would FREEZE on Nvidia cards (this was duplicated by pretty much every NV user at the time, it wasn't an OC issue). While the game artifacted here and there on AMD, it was playable.
AMD cares more about driver support, and releases monthly WHQLs. NV does NOT release 1 'super' driver every 6 months as many would have us believe.

I had issues with my ATI 9800, but have used every single WHQL release with my 5870 and had no issues. AMD has been on top of the game since the 5870s release and they still are today. I love the NV propagandist parade has tried to turn hotfixes and previews into a negative. Those are extra, you want those things available. NV doesn't give you anything.

I also love the trolling about "confusion" over whether to use WHQLs or a hotfix (always from Nvidia users), rattling off theoretical BS like "would I use the WHQLs or hotfix a,b,c,d,e,f,g????!!!".
The obvious answer is to always use WHQLs only, unless you need something in the hotfix.
 

Skurge

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Their drivers are a lot better than they used to be, however I've found that support tends to dwindle somewhat when your card becomes 1 generation old, my 4870 crossfire rig was really good but I started having a lot of issues near the end of the 4xxx gen and soon swapped to a 5970 in the next gen line up, again that was fine for a long time but when the 6xxx gen came out support seemed to be dwindling again, eventually I abandoned that for a 580.

Part of that problem is made worse because of multi-gpu but I can't help but feel it probably spills over to the single GPU cards as well. I'm hesitant to judge based on how products launch these days, how support lasts into the following years is equally as important, if not more so.

Their multi-gpu support does tend to dwindle, the single cards are well taken care of those. The 5870 was getting improvements all the way up to the 7970 release.

Toyota, I've been using ATi cards since the 9000 days. The only issues I can remember are

Indigo prophecy having transparent textures on my 9600XT - Fixed with a driver update (my drivers were probably 6+ months old since I installed the ones on the disc)

Lowish performance in NFS-Shift with my 4870 - that was fixed with a game patch. Not a driver update

Low performance in games when I have youtube open on my 4870/5770. The clocks would be stuck at video clocks, not 3D clocks. Don't have that issue anymore, must have been fixed in a driver somewhere.

My 5770 being stuck at 4870 clocks - that was cause I switched cards without reinstalling drivers.

Those are the only "driver" issues I've had and I play all the latest games and update my drivers every release without even looking at the changelist.

The only real other issue was the youtube thing. The rest was simple user error and game issues.

I've never had any other issues with drivers and I update them every month without fail (never had my card burn up cause of a driver). So in reality I've only had one issue. How many of the issues you've seen are actually driver problems and not problems with the game, PC, overclock or just user error.

Call me a lair if you want, but this is from PERSONAL experience. I don't say much about nV drivers cause the longest I've had and nV card was 2 months. No issues there either. When last did you have an AMD card so you can comment on their drivers with such certainty.

And if you think I don't play many games. I'm playing BF3, Skyrim, SC2, DX: Human revolution and Dirt3 without any issues at all. So in 6-7 years, I've had 1 REAL driver problem with AMD cards.
 

Obsoleet

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Their multi-gpu support does tend to dwindle, the single cards are well taken care of those. The 5870 was getting improvements all the way up to the 7970 release.

Toyota, I've been using ATi cards since the 9000 days. The only issues I can remember are

Indigo prophecy having transparent textures on my 9600XT - Fixed with a driver update (my drivers were probably 6+ months old since I installed the ones on the disc)

Lowish performance in NFS-Shift with my 4870 - that was fixed with a game patch. Not a driver update

While I stand with my previous post 100%, I'm definitely not a liar, I call it as it is- and I do remember having major issues with COD1 on my 9800. At the time, with that driver, my Geforce2MX ended up being faster due to the crippling issue I encountered. IIRC, COD1 was an OpenGL game so it was def due to OGL driver issues.
 
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darckhart

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OP: glad you're happy. i'm thinking of snagging one just for the funsies. who can resist the lure of routinely massive overclocks?

regarding the drivers for red and green, my only complaint is with ati drivers where the hotfix will have fixes for specific games that the official ones released later won't have. it was a headache trying to remember which driver hotfix version i wanted to keep for which game unless i waited 2 versions later to make sure it was included. otoh, my experience with nvidia is that there's always some funkiness with their color settings for my hdtv, but most game related things are ok. regardless, i choose whichever team gives me the best performance at what i'm willing to spend.