Baby Mama Want Daughter To Attend Christian School

[DominionSeraph]

The burning question here is why would an atheist choose a religious fanatic for procreation?

Needs poll.

#1 answer: Tits.

 

[DominionSeraph]

the argument is actually that biological evolution (in the sense of all living organisms evolving from a single cell) can't happen because abiogenesis, a necessary precursor to biological evolution, can't happen

Which is neatly destroyed the fact that evolution is a process of life, which is independent of its origins.

Damn you are really not very good at this.

 

[tynopik]

Which is neatly destroyed the fact that evolution is a process of life, which is independent of its origins.

Damn you are really not very good at this.

i think we're talking at cross-purposes

generic 'evolution' may be independent of origins, but the 'Theory of Evolution' that life arose from a primordial soup most definitely is not

if there wasn't abiogenesis, where did life come from?

 

[DominionSeraph]

i think we're talking at cross-purposes

if there wasn't abiogenesis, where did life come from?

That question is outside the scope of the discussion.

The issue was your lack of support for http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=32156614&postcount=128
So support it. Show how my rebuttal is wrong for that argument. NOT some argument that relies on redefining science. NOT some completely unrelated argument about abiogenesis.

You've spent 11 hours trying to disguise the fact that you overstepped yourself there. But I'm far too good for your silly little trail to confuse me. So give it up. Go back and support your initial assertion.

Oh wait, you can't.
I win.
Good night.

 

[ch33zw1z]

The burning question here is why would an atheist choose a religious fanatic for procreation?

It's possible she wasn't a religious fanatic when they procreated. Kids certainly change you.

 

[amdhunter]

I just want to chime in here.

I have 2 neices, both 7 years of age. One in public school, and one in Catholic school. The one in public school can read and do math perfectly.

The one in Catholic school can't read as well, and has no math skills whatsoever - but it's fun to see her terrified to watch Cartoon Network because her teacher said so.

She goes to the room and prays when the other kids watch Cartoon Network.
This drives me batshit, but what can I do. Not my kid.

 

[moshquerade]

*raises hand*

Thanks again for proving my point. These be-all end-all types think the child is going to be cult-tized and never have a thought of her own every again.
When in reality, as i've said for the THIRD TIME, she will be fine, and actually...grow up a to be a wonderful human being if her father doesn't act like a whack job around her.

 

[moshquerade]

I just want to chime in here.

I have 2 neices, both 7 years of age. One in public school, and one in Catholic school. The one in public school can read and do math perfectly.

The one in Catholic school can't read as well, and has no math skills whatsoever - but it's fun to see her terrified to watch Cartoon Network because her teacher said so.

She goes to the room and prays when the other kids watch Cartoon Network.
This drives me batshit, but what can I do. Not my kid.

one niece must take after you.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

When in reality, as i've said for the THIRD TIME, she will be fine, and actually...grow up a to be a wonderful human being if her father doesn't act like a whack job around her.

But if the mother acts like a whack job, nothing to worry about? 😕

 

[mattpegher]

Although the second law of thermodynamics suggests that over time a system will increase in entropy, chaos theory explains that in any system there will be variability that can account for fluctuating local order. Also the rate of decay in the universe, given empiric measurements of radioactive decay suggests the time frame for decay from order to disorder would occur over the period of millions of millions of years.
So the argument that order cannot exist without an external force is unfounded scientifically.
Metaphysically the idea that a creator god would create a system that did not fulfill his intensions without breaking his own rules is illogical.
Remember the idea is that a creator god created everything, including the rules of physics.

 

[moshquerade]

But if the mother acts like a whack job, nothing to worry about? 😕

i'm not seeing that here. maybe baby daddy should invite her to post here so she can read this thread and share her side of the story.

 

[mattpegher]

i'm not seeing that here. maybe baby daddy should invite her to post here so she can read this thread and share her side of the story.

Not exactly sure she would chose to bother. Unfortunately, AT;OT has never been a haven for respectfull and meaningfull discussion of religion. We usually fall into discord, with neither side willing to listen.
I was also wondering why you are not your usually pleasant, and congenial self. If this is a hot button issue for you, I would like to appoligize for the group since AT;OT rarely is civil on this topic.

 

[preslove]

i think we're talking at cross-purposes

generic 'evolution' may be independent of origins, but the 'Theory of Evolution' that life arose from a primordial soup most definitely is not

if there wasn't abiogenesis, where did life come from?

No, the "Theory of Evolution" doesn't address origins. It addresses the process by which species change over time through genetic mutation. There is a ton of genetic evidence that supports the "Theory of Evolution." You're just too brainwashed/stupid to actually try to learn about it.

 

[preslove]

When in reality, as i've said for the THIRD TIME, she will be fine, and actually...grow up a to be a wonderful human being if her father doesn't act like a whack job around her.

She'll just grow up with a shitty education. How wonderful.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Based on outbursts during a few arguments we had over the 8 years since then, I've assembled a theory on what had happened. The mother and I were never married. I apparently met her during a rebellious point in her life because she was not in the least bit religious during the 2 years we saw each other. She is a year older than myself and was the first girl I dated and by that time she had some sexual experience, whereas I was a virgin.

Timeline from what I can gather:
1. We meet and friendly date for about a year.

2. (From some outburst from her years later, I gather she was sleeping around at this point)

3. She asks when we're gonna start having sex. Me being naive am like we can start whenever I get some condoms.

4. She says don't worry I'm on birth control.

5. We begin a sexual relationship.

6. I'm ready to leave for a different city to attend university so our relationship is in question.

7. She bangs some going nowhere loser, then 2 days later bangs me still telling me she's on birth control. I find out about the other guy, because I asked her how she could be pregnant and how I was the father, in the heat of the moment, she apparently forgot her cover story, and says it couldn't be the other guy because she told him to pull out. I was referring to the birth control, and she says she knew she'd have to lie about some things to get me to stay and not leave for university.

8. I continue my life and go to university, after child is born paternity is determined. Mother goes ultra born again christian.

9. I get 1-3 hours per weekend with my daughter for the first 3 years or her life, even though I had to drive 6 hours to see her each time. I assume because the mother was bitter her plot didn't work. How born again you ask? Reading, "The Sorcerer's Apprentice" with Micky Mouse is heresy because it has the occult she screams at me.

10. I finally play hardball and have the court tell her I get my daughter for the entire weekends.

11. Mother asks if she can attend Prekindergarten at Christian school. I'm ok with this since it's basically day care. We establish that she will attend public school after.

12. Next year, she asks if she can attend Kindergarten, I'm not happy about this but because of some reorganization in the school district it is ok.

13. Next year, she wants her to attend 1st grade at Christian school. I say, "No, we talked about it already and agreed on public school. She says, "Well things change, and I want her to go there." I'm very upset about this.

14.Mother gets married.

15. Present situation.

Sorry man, she sounds like a real biatch.

 

[moshquerade]

She'll just grow up with a shitty education. How wonderful.

how are you sure of this??

 

[zinfamous]

it may give her some decent structure and personal development at an early age, but getting her into a good public school after that wouldn't ruin her.

I think the best compromise, assuming you are regularly involved, is to have her in this school, but to remind her that education only works if you are actively educating yourself. meaning: question the infallibility of teachers and what they teach you. READ.

And do make sure she understands that the earth is 4.6 billion years old, that we descended from apes, and that the world is not ending in October.

 

[zinfamous]

i think we're talking at cross-purposes

generic 'evolution' may be independent of origins, but the 'Theory of Evolution' that life arose from a primordial soup most definitely is not

if there wasn't abiogenesis, where did life come from?

there is nothing in evolutionary theory that discusses or can even address the origin of life.

you have been informed by idiots that know nothing of the subject, and quite possibly are, yourself, a bit of an idiot.

 

[preslove]

how are you sure of this??

Creationist curriculum = shitty education.

 

[tynopik]

The issue was your lack of support for http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=32156614&postcount=128
So support it. Show how my rebuttal is wrong for that argument.

i already have

repeatedly

Morris presumes an open system. So saying the earth is an open system does NOT address his argument.

If someone is familiar with his argument, will telling them it's invalid because the earth is an open system do ANYTHING to undermine their position

no

so there you have it, your initial argument is inadequate

 

[Fox5]

A Christian school is a private school right? Which means it costs more money? Well, heck, that's reason to shoot down using your money to send the girl to a Christian school, grow some balls!

 

[FelixDeCat]

Not really trying to rain on your metaphorical parade, but all you're doing is associating unassociated events and creating delusions of grandeur to provide proof for something you have no proof for. Have you considered that your "feeling God" is no different than a sugar pill providing a placebo healing effect?

I asked a friend once a similar question (that you just answered), and he told me a little story about how a friend that was down on his luck won a motorcycle in a raffle. He said that God did that. :hmm:

As mentioned before I have all the proof I need. I told you how my faith effects me and how I benefit from it. Your boilerplate dismissals notwithstanding, if you chose not to accept it thats up to you.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Also:

Since the publication of Charles Darwin's On the Origin of Species in 1859, the attitude of the Catholic Church on the theory of evolution has slowly been refined. For about 100 years, there was no authoritative pronouncement on the subject. By 1950, Pope Pius XII agreed to the academic freedom to study the scientific implications of evolution, so long as Catholic dogma is not violated.[1] Today[update], the Church's unofficial position is an example of theistic evolution, also known as evolutionary creation,[2] stating that faith and scientific findings regarding human evolution are not in conflict, though humans are regarded as a special creation, and that the existence of God is required to explain both monogenism and the spiritual component of human origins. Moreover, the Church teaches that the process of evolution is a planned and purpose-driven natural process, actively guided by God.

 

[mattpegher]

Also:

Its the actively guided part that is inconsistent with the definition of the judeochristian god.
The judeochristian god is defined as omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, and omnibenevolent. By the definition of omnipotent, god would not have to alter his creation after creating it, ie god would create the universe, including the physical laws such that being omniscient his creation would follow in a way predetermined without intervention.

 

[irishScott]

i'm not seeing that here. maybe baby daddy should invite her to post here so she can read this thread and share her side of the story.

How long have you been a member here?

Taking the OP's word is not a new or unaccepted concept, and from the sound of it the mother sounds batshit crazy, as does the school. If you're arguing that we should all give the mother the benefit of the doubt and assume the OP's word is shit, then no one could reply to this thread with anything meaningful.

Maybe you're being a little defensive? Fact is a secular education never hurt anyone, religious or no, while I can cite specific examples among my peers who were set back either academically or socially (often both) by a religious education. I also know a couple of catholic schooled engineering majors who are perfectly well adjusted and very good at what they do, but that doesn't change the damaged cases.

So why risk it? Especially with a school as radical as the OP described. Unless the public schools and secular private schools in his area collectively suck there is no reason the mother should refuse to consider one.