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Baby boy 'killed by family dogs'

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takeru

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/7876508.stm

A baby boy has died after what is believed to be an attack by two family dogs.

Neighbours said three-and-a-half-month-old Jaden Mack was staying with his grandmother at the time.

Gwent Police say Jaden was taken in the early hours from the house in Ystrad Mynach, Caerphilly county, to hospital, where he was declared dead.

A Jack Russell and Staffordshire bull terrier are believed to have caused the

injuries, and they have been put down.

A post-mortem examination was held on Saturday afternoon, and police say the exact cause of death has not yet been established.

Chief Insp Jim Baker of Gwent Police describes what happened

Officers were called to a house in Commercial Street at about 0015 GMT and Jaden was taken to Prince Charles Hospital in Merthyr about 12 miles (20 miles) away.

Police said the "adult female family member" who was caring for Jaden at the time was taken to hospital to be treated for shock. Jaden's parents were not at the address at the time.

Officers will speak to her later about the attack, which happened in the downstairs living area. No arrests have been made.

The dogs were taken from the home and police said the decision was taken in conjunction with the family to humanely destroy the animals.

The area was cordoned off and officers have carried out house-to-house inquiries.

Neighbour Gail Jones, 45, said she was walking back from a night out when she heard a distressed woman.

Gwent Police officers in Commercial Street, Ystrad Mynach
It seemed as if somebody was very distressed or being attacked
Heather Organ, neighbour

She added: "You see these stories on the telly and you don't think it is going to happen on your street.

"Your heart goes out to the family. It is just tragic."

'Very distressed'

Another neighbour, Heather Organ, 47, said she was watching television when she heard "screaming".

"It seemed as if somebody was very distressed or being attacked," she said.

"I came out and saw my neighbour and he knocked on the door and asked her to open the door.

"When the door opened, two dogs ran out.

"At the time I didn't realise what had happened so, rather than let the dogs get hurt, I picked up the Jack Russell and ushered the other one (Staffordshire bull terrier) off the road.

"I know people can't prove anything but at this moment in time it does suggest that it was the dog."
Police forensics officer inside the house
A police forensics officer inside the house where the baby died

Ms Organ said she believed the neighbour was minding her grandson for the weekend.

The Welsh Ambulance Service NHS Trust said it received a 999 call from Gwent Police to attend the house at 0021 GMT.

"The call said a young child had been attacked by a dog," said a spokesman.

"We arrived shortly afterwards and conveyed the child to the Prince Charles Hospital in Merthyr."

The spokesman added that a second patient was taken to the University Hospital of Wales in Cardiff for treatment shortly after 0200.

Chief Inspector Jim Baker said: "This is a tragic incident for the family and the community.

"Gwent Police family liaison officers are currently supporting and assisting the family through this difficult time.

"The family wish to be left alone to grieve.

"Although the exact circumstances of the baby's death are yet to be established, we would like to reiterate the advice given to dog owners that dogs should never be left unsupervised with young children at any time."
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where the hell was the person watching the baby?! :|
 
Terriers actually are more dangerous around babies than you would think. They're breed to attack rodents and other small animals. What do you think happens when you put it next to a small baby that's flinging its hands around?

I'm not saying that terriers are out to get your baby, but it is a very good idea to keep the dog and baby seperate until the baby is large enough that the dog realizes it's not a rodent. 😉
 
Wow the dogs should not of been put down, whoever was babysitting should be charged for neglect. That's horrible that this could be let happen. Considering they were family dogs it's not like it was a situation that could not be stopped. It probably started off as the dogs playing then it got too rough. Animals do not realize that they can hurt us that easily. We are actually very weak compared to them. A mother lion carries the babies in her mouth, if a lion did that to us we'd be harmed or even break bones. The dogs were probably just playing.
 
Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
Wow the dogs should not of been put down, whoever was babysitting should be charged for neglect. That's horrible that this could be let happen. Considering they were family dogs it's not like it was a situation that could not be stopped. It probably started off as the dogs playing then it got too rough. Animals do not realize that they can hurt us that easily. We are actually very weak compared to them. A mother lion carries the babies in her mouth, if a lion did that to us we'd be harmed or even break bones. The dogs were probably just playing.
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uhuh.
 
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Ah, a pit bull terrier, what a surprise :roll:
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Staffordshire's are NOT pit bulls

nor are pit bulls dangerous. fucking retarded humans who have no idea how to train are dog are dangerous.

Any member of the Bull Terrier family is simply extremely protective of owners and property.


And regardless, I actually expect it was the Jack Russel that started this whole fiasco. I fucking hate Jack Russel Terriers.

Bull Terriers are usually excellent around children.
 
Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
Wow the dogs should not of been put down, whoever was babysitting should be charged for neglect. That's horrible that this could be let happen. Considering they were family dogs it's not like it was a situation that could not be stopped. It probably started off as the dogs playing then it got too rough. Animals do not realize that they can hurt us that easily. We are actually very weak compared to them. A mother lion carries the babies in her mouth, if a lion did that to us we'd be harmed or even break bones. The dogs were probably just playing.
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uhuh.
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Yeah I'd say I agree with this, although not knowing what actually happened, the dog's really don't have the right to live anymore. I couldn't stand living with a dog that I knew had some part in the death of a loved one.

But yeah, I love bigger dogs, and you can trust them around children, but when it comes to little tykes, someone needs to be around whenever the dog is around. Dogs like to play, either the dogs were playing with each other, or they were trying to play and jump around the baby. Regardless, an adult could have commanded the dogs and taught them to not play around the baby.
 
Originally posted by: destrekor
And regardless, I actually expect it was the Jack Russel that started this whole fiasco. I fucking hate Jack Russel Terriers.

Bull Terriers are usually excellent around children.
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I agree it was probably the jack russel that started it (they're ridiculously excitable) but honestly I wouldn't trust most dogs around a 3 month old infant. A toddler crawling around is a different story for most dogs and most dog breeds are fine with that. Infants don't necessarily look like a person though and the dog may not treat it like one. No matter how sweet the family dog is you shouldn't be leaving it unattended with the baby.
 
Originally posted by: Bignate603
Originally posted by: destrekor
And regardless, I actually expect it was the Jack Russel that started this whole fiasco. I fucking hate Jack Russel Terriers.

Bull Terriers are usually excellent around children.
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I agree it was probably the jack russel that started it (they're ridiculously excitable) but honestly I wouldn't trust most dogs around a 3 month old infant. A toddler crawling around is a different story for most dogs and most dog breeds are fine with that. Infants don't necessarily look like a person though and the dog may not treat it like one. No matter how sweet the family dog is you shouldn't be leaving it unattended with the baby.
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I wholly agree. Babies and dogs don't mix until the babies are a little bit older and can handle being knocked down by the dog during play.

Dogs are and will always be animals, no matter how domesticated. I will trust them to be loyal to my family, will show them a lot of affection, and will expect them to protect my family and property. But I think I'll never trust any dog around a baby. Accidents happen, and dogs just don't quite realize how much harm they can cause to a human of that size. Hell, most animals don't realize how much power they can have over us. We're extremely frail, especially when little.
 
Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
Wow the dogs should not of been put down, whoever was babysitting should be charged for neglect. That's horrible that this could be let happen. Considering they were family dogs it's not like it was a situation that could not be stopped. It probably started off as the dogs playing then it got too rough. Animals do not realize that they can hurt us that easily. We are actually very weak compared to them. A mother lion carries the babies in her mouth, if a lion did that to us we'd be harmed or even break bones. The dogs were probably just playing.
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I agree that the babysitter should be charged but any dog implicated in the death of a human being should be put down, period.



I own a Jack Russell.
The 2 years old grand daughter is visiting this weekend.
The grand daughter is NEVER alone even for one second, not because of the dog. Because she is a baby.

 
Originally posted by: Bignate603
Terriers actually are more dangerous around babies than you would think. They're breed to attack rodents and other small animals. What do you think happens when you put it next to a small baby that's flinging its hands around?

I'm not saying that terriers are out to get your baby, but it is a very good idea to keep the dog and baby seperate until the baby is large enough that the dog realizes it's not a rodent. 😉
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A 3 and a half month old baby doesn't really do much other than lie around, eat, and poop.

Good riddance to those two worthless mutts.
 
Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Ah, a pit bull terrier, what a surprise :roll:
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<scans article again>

No pit bulls mentioned.

Fail.
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Pit Bull is a term commonly used to describe several breeds of dog in the Molosser family. The breeds most often placed in this category are the American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, and Staffordshire Bull Terrier.

FTW
 
Originally posted by: NetGuySC
Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Ah, a pit bull terrier, what a surprise :roll:
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<scans article again>

No pit bulls mentioned.

Fail.
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Pit Bull is a term commonly used to describe several breeds of dog in the Molosser family. The breeds most often placed in this category are the American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, and Staffordshire Bull Terrier.

FTW
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pwn3d
 
If the "adult female family member" stepped out of the room for even a moment (you've got to pee eventually, right?), that's all it could take. If she returned to the room while the attack was in progress, it's possible she was so surprised and scared that she could do nothing -- frozen in horror. Tragic and beyond sad. They just lost a child and two loved pets.
 
Originally posted by: Redfraggle
If the "adult female family member" stepped out of the room for even a moment (you've got to pee eventually, right?), that's all it could take. If she returned to the room while the attack was in progress, it's possible she was so surprised and scared that she could do nothing -- frozen in horror. Tragic and beyond sad. They just lost a child and two loved pets.
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even if its for only a moment, i still wouldn't trust a baby alone with a pair of dogs... regardless even what dogs they are.
 
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Bignate603
Terriers actually are more dangerous around babies than you would think. They're breed to attack rodents and other small animals. What do you think happens when you put it next to a small baby that's flinging its hands around?

I'm not saying that terriers are out to get your baby, but it is a very good idea to keep the dog and baby seperate until the baby is large enough that the dog realizes it's not a rodent. 😉
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A 3 and a half month old baby doesn't really do much other than lie around, eat, and poop.

Good riddance to those two worthless mutts.
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Obviously you've never been around a baby and a dog.

Babies will often bother a dog, such as poking at them, grabbing an ear, or a host of other things.
A well-mannered and properly raised dog will ignore this, as it is important because as the toddler ages, I've seen 1, 2 year olds, and even older, really annoy dogs. The grabbing, poking, holding, all increases with age until the toddlers reach an old enough age to where they don't smother the dog.

I love dogs, and hate the idea of putting dogs down, but in this case... the dogs definitely needed to be put down. I'm extremely fond of dogs as a family pet, and all the dogs my family and extended family have ever owned, I play with and love them as if they were family members. But a dog has a purpose beyond being comic relief and entertainment. And that is, household protection and loyalty.

I will disown any dog that doesn't show my family any loyalty, and if they aren't protective of my house. Dogs are and will always be an animal of service imho. They are there for their services. And it's excellent that with just a little maintenance, training, and playtime, they will devote themselves to you/your family. Excellent creatures, and when well trained, very smart and obedient.

But the fastest way for a dog I own to be disowned? Disloyalty or injury, or failure of duty.
If that dog doesn't prove loyal to us and the property by protecting the property from an invader, ie just runs away... they are no longer welcome in the house.
If anyone in my home suffers an injury from the dog outside of accident (when playing with a dog and putting my hands/arms near the mouth, I expect a light bite from time to time, maybe even blood. playing rough is fun, and my dog has a riot with that)... if the dog ever bites anyone without it being a playful accident, and/or seriously harms someone... that dog is done. Dead. If I don't snap the neck right there out of anger, it'd being put down.
 
Originally posted by: takeru
Originally posted by: Redfraggle
If the "adult female family member" stepped out of the room for even a moment (you've got to pee eventually, right?), that's all it could take. If she returned to the room while the attack was in progress, it's possible she was so surprised and scared that she could do nothing -- frozen in horror. Tragic and beyond sad. They just lost a child and two loved pets.
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even if its for only a moment, i still wouldn't trust a baby alone with a pair of dogs... regardless even what dogs they are.
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Yep. If the baby is just sitting there on the floor or something... I'd either take the baby upstairs or let the dogs outside until I can be there with them again.

Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: NetGuySC
Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Ah, a pit bull terrier, what a surprise :roll:
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<scans article again>

No pit bulls mentioned.

Fail.
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Pit Bull is a term commonly used to describe several breeds of dog in the Molosser family. The breeds most often placed in this category are the American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, and Staffordshire Bull Terrier.

FTW
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pwn3d
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Owning both found and not found.

One has to be careful with this connotation. Pit Bulls, as most Americans know them, are the Pit Bull Terrier, a very specific breed.
The Bull Terrier is a family of breeds, most somewhat resembling but also quite different from the normal Pit Bull.
Bull Terriers are sometimes grouped into the Pit Bull Terrier family, but they really shouldn't be. No other Bull Terrier is referred to as a Pit Bull Terrier, other than the American Pit Bull Terrier.

American Staffordshire Terriers are about the closest thing to a Pit Bull, considering they are cousin breeds, with the Pit Bull having come up and out of the Staffordshire family through selective breeding.

 
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