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Baby boomers are what's wrong with America's economy

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pmv said:
This is a bit silly - baby boomers didn't all vote the same way. What came out of that era was just the (partly unintended) outcome of an ongoing fight between many different groups, not some collective decision of an entire generation.
Besides, if you are a Millennial, you better start bracing yourself for the blame you are going to get from your as-yet-unborn grandchildren.
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Bingo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Jhhnn said:
It's deeper than that & actually goes back further. The oldest Boomers were 34 in 1980 when Reagan was elected & damned few of us voted for him. The structural changes to the economy & the tax system wrought during his presidency were profound & were the turning point in where we've been since. It also was the beginning of the massive propaganda effort on the part of well financed right wing think tanks & institutes. Too many Boomers have been swept up in it since then but we did not create that paradigm shift.
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Thanks for your thoughtful comment.
 
ivwshane said:
Nope, I was pretty clear that millennials would be blamed as well for their inaction.

I blame boomers because they are the majority and have been and its their policies, either directly or indirectly, that is the cause of where we are today. If you can't see that then I'm afraid there is no hope for you and you'll continue being mad at people who hold up a mirror to your face.
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Well that just makes you wrong about Millennials also. The mirror you can't face is that you are asleep, living in a world where your self hate is projected as blame. If a rock falls in a pond there will be ripples. Your insanity lies in the notion that in that falling and rippling something can be found to blame. The life of all caught in the delusion of duality mechanically think that way. You are a machine programmed to blame yourself for being a machine. It is the sick part of you that you think is you, the sick part that plays doctor to the world and all to avoid seeing who the real patient is. You are trapped in a prison you do not see. And your delusion is compounded by the fact that you have almost universal company. You are full of pain and there isn't a single place in the world you can justifiably put it. That is what Christ can to tell you by his suffering and death, real death, on the cross. It is only on the cross, in one metaphorical sense or another, suffering and announcing forgiveness, that the real self can be reborn. You are not the blame for anything. That also is the metaphorical meaning of the Christian doctrine that confession brings forgiveness. There is no sin but that produced by the illusion of language and emotions associated to words. You live among trees and do not see the forest.

These are only words from another tree hugger.
 
pcgeek11 said:
Oh yes I remember when houses were dirt cheap and only 18% Interest Rate on my massive 6,000 dollars a year earnings. Like I couldn't afford a new car until I was over 30 years old. Man that was the life. I had it made and didn't even suspect.
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Yeah, but I bet you had some faith in yourself that you could make it. It's all doom and gloom now, except for my niece who is a single mother with two kids and is always confident the nest interview will land her a job.
 
You know, most people regardless of generation really want a handful of things.
1) family gets to eat
2) family has roof over head
3) doesn't get shot/stabbed/raped in the street
5) doesn't get stuff taken from them
6) doesn't get told they have to do stuff they don't want to do, within reason (this one's hard)
7) opportunity to at least do as well as the generation before them, ditto for kiddos

I don't really know of anyone that doesn't agree with the above, generally speaking. There's the occasional extenuating circumstance (like common law) that we all have to at least adhere to, if not accept/agree with, but for the most part everyone wants the above. Given that, most people don't choose paths which clearly remove these facets of our lives. People don't willingly vote themselves or their family out of a home, or into a situation where they don't have opportunities. Generally, people vote for, fight for, what they *think* they want, and that's generally something described to them by someone unaffected by the negative consequences. You can see a perfect example of this with the 'fixed' ACA attempts, each of which has a common element: reduce taxes for those who have, increase taxes for those who have not, and remove opportunity (healthcare, associated costs) from those who can't afford it otherwise.

So tell me, why the hell are we arguing about which generation fucked over the other, when really it's those making the decisions and feeding us bullshit that's been fucking over everyone whom aren't themselves?
 
pcgeek11 said:
Oh yes I remember when houses were dirt cheap and only 18% Interest Rate on my massive 6,000 dollars a year earnings. Like I couldn't afford a new car until I was over 30 years old. Man that was the life. I had it made and didn't even suspect.
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I'm not saying *you* had it great or easy, I'm saying your generation had it easier in general. Interest rates were absurd back them, but of course you also earned more interest on your money. You're also more likely to be able to retire. In general you had it better:

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None of this means that the Baby Boomers are a scourge or whatever people are trying to claim. We all need to take ownership of the problems and try to fix them. Make no mistake, I don't hold out a lot of hope for my generation to come around and just magically make everything better.
 
Chaotic42 said:
I'm not saying *you* had it great or easy, I'm saying your generation had it easier in general. Interest rates were absurd back them, but of course you also earned more interest on your money. You're also more likely to be able to retire. In general you had it better:

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None of this means that the Baby Boomers are a scourge or whatever people are trying to claim. We all need to take ownership of the problems and try to fix them. Make no mistake, I don't hold out a lot of hope for my generation to come around and just magically make everything better.
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the point is that the boomers are not taking ownership of the problem. They are just telling everyone after them to fuck off.
 
JSt0rm said:
the point is that the boomers are not taking ownership of the problem. They are just telling everyone after them to fuck off.
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This is something they still don't seem to understand. If boomers were now leading the way trying to fix things and talking about wisdom they had gained from their mistakes it would be one thing but instead they seem hell bent only doubling down. Trump wasn't the result of only boomers voting for him but they sure led the charge.
 
ivwshane said:
This is something they still don't seem to understand. If boomers were now leading the way trying to fix things and talking about wisdom they had gained from their mistakes it would be one thing but instead they seem hell bent only doubling down. Trump wasn't the result of only boomers voting for him but they sure led the charge.
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Who cares about trump in this context. Not one babyboomer in this thread has brought up any inkling of a solution to the problem they are creating. Its hilarious. They are just gonna die fucking everyone after them.
 
JSt0rm said:
Who cares about trump in this context. Not one babyboomer in this thread has brought up any inkling of a solution to the problem they are creating. Its hilarious. They are just gonna die fucking everyone after them.
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"They" are creating? You're the automation engineer, right?
 
ivwshane said:
This is something they still don't seem to understand. If boomers were now leading the way trying to fix things and talking about wisdom they had gained from their mistakes it would be one thing but instead they seem hell bent only doubling down. Trump wasn't the result of only boomers voting for him but they sure led the charge.
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Hillary is a Boomer & she made some concrete proposals. You know, the kind based on reality.
 
JSt0rm said:
Im talking about the ss deficit they are creating by not contributing what they will get. No im a sound designer 😉
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The average SS payout is ~$1368/month. It's all that a lot of people have. It'll pay the rent on a 1 bedroom apartment here in Denver, maybe the utilities & the phone bill too. I know Boomers working past 70 who can't afford to retire.

If Boomers haven't put in enough it's because nobody actually asked them to do more since 1983 when contribution levels were raised to create the $2.7T trust fund of today. There are a lot of ways to cover any shortfall in the future, but they all have to be sacrifice at the top, not beaten out of the hides of the little guys. We could start by eliminating the contributions cap, probably create new higher benefits at the top in the process & turn SS back into the cash cow it was from 1983 until 2010.
 
Yes. Now we need to cut defense to pay ss. We need to start now. Maybe kick the boomers up 1 year and drop payments 5%
 
ivwshane said:
Nope, I was pretty clear that millennials would be blamed as well for their inaction.

I blame boomers because they are the majority and have been and its their policies, either directly or indirectly, that is the cause of where we are today. If you can't see that then I'm afraid there is no hope for you and you'll continue being mad at people who hold up a mirror to your face.
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weird, my parents sure as shit didn't vote for Reagan--hated the cvnt--and so did my Grandad. Man, dude had 4 heart attacks, just from seeing that diseased motherfucker on the television.
 
zinfamous said:
weird, my parents sure as shit didn't vote for Reagan--hated the cvnt--and so did my Grandad. Man, dude had 4 heart attacks, just from seeing that diseased motherfucker on the television.
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You and many others are taking this way too personal. We are talking about a generation as a whole. The generation has similar voting habits and supports similar policies. Its no different than talking about the white vote or minorities. They all have voting patterns and habits.
 
This blaming the next generation has been going on since antiquity:

Socrates was quoted as saying:
"The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise."
 
JSt0rm said:
Who cares about trump in this context. Not one babyboomer in this thread has brought up any inkling of a solution to the problem they are creating. Its hilarious. They are just gonna die fucking everyone after them.
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How many solutions have you brought up?

I don't have a solution to your miserable life. Even though I think most of the millenial misery is overstated due to the entitled attitude held by the majority.
 
pcgeek11 said:
How many solutions have you brought up?

I don't have a solution to your miserable life. Even though I think most of the millenial misery is overstated due to the entitled attitude held by the majority.
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Entitled to what? Should they not expect the same opportunities that you had?
 
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