Baby boomer retirement effects on the economy

Texashiker

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What is going to happen as the baby boomers cut back on their spending in their retirement years?

The baby boomer generation forged our economy after world war two. They are the ones that built and bought the homes, built and bought the trucks and cars, built our highways,,,,.

Over the past 20+ years the jobs that supported the baby boomers and the middle class have gone overseas.

The manufacturing jobs are gone, and the most financially stable generation in over a hundred years is retiring.

One of the driving factors of our economy is how much money we spend.

When an entire generation cuts back their spending, what long term effects will this have on the economy?
 
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nickbits

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They will makeup discretionary spending with healthcare expenses. Also the cruise and casino industries should do well.
 

Gerle

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Effects, not affects.
I imagine less spending overall will not be a good thing.
 

mshan

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"A helpful metaphor for understanding the social impact of baby boomers, from their birth to their retirement, was laid out in a book by David Cork, The Pig in the Python. The book describes how boomers in different stages of their lives pumped up earnings of certain businesses, in much the same way that the body of a recently consumed pig would expand a python's body as it passed through the snake's digestive tract. For example, when boomers were babies, diaper sales soared. When they reached college age, higher education flourished. And when they hit middle age, they made cholesterol-fighting statins blockbuster drugs.

Boomers gained their greatest financial clout in the early 1980s. It's no coincidence that this was the start of what became known as the Great Bull Market of the Century, which ran from 1982 to 2000. On August 6, 1982, the S&P 500 Index was trading at 103.33. Two decades and a lot of economic growth later, the S&P 500 closed at 1,527.86 on March 24, 2000--a cumulative total return of 1,379%, the strongest stock market in modern times.

But not all demographic trends make for strong stock markets. Japan, the world's fastest aging country, is facing a problematic economic future. The country's current population of 128 million is projected to shrink 33% by 2060, according to Japan's Health and Welfare Ministry. By then seniors will account for 40% of all Japanese citizens.


Elderly can stifle growth

Just as a car won't start without gasoline, if there aren't enough young, productive workers in an economy, that economy is unlikely to go anywhere. That's precisely been the problem in Japan: a disproportionate--and increasing--amount of its economic resources are flowing to an aging population, which in turn has stifled growth there.

Japan's aging problem is nothing new; it began in earnest in the 1990s, and its economic effects have been reflected adversely in the Japanese stock market. The Nikkei Index, after reaching an all-time high of 38,916 at the end of 1989, lost 81% as of February 2009. The Nikkei has never so much as sniffed its former heights and languishes at about 8,000 today.

Italy is trapped in a similar demographic black hole, with a population that's been declining for decades. In 1964 an Italian mother bore an average of 2.7 children, according to the World Bank. By 2009 that average had fallen to 1.4 children. The Italian populace has been sinking below the replacement rate of 1.9 (the rate needed to maintain current population levels) since 1975.

This decline has taken a steady economic toll. During the 1990s, when Italy's economy began to wane notably, its gross domestic product grew on average 1.2% annually, trailing the European Union's 2.3%. Italy's labor productivity only grew 0.1% a year between 2001 and 2005, and it dropped by 0.8% annually between 2006 and 2009, according to The Economist. Not surprisingly, Italy is now flirting with fiscal insolvency, reeling from its fourth recession since 2001 and its nose-bleeding heights of public debt.
Who are millennials?

So, what's the demographic destiny of the United States? More to the point, are the economic prospects of the millennial generation in the U.S. doomed to resemble those of their peers in Japan and Italy? And if those prospects aren't doomed, what distinguishing characteristics offer hope that the millennials and the stock market may enjoy a better fate?"


http://news.morningstar.com/article...ll2market2in2stocks.aspx?t1=1350912772&part=1


The future of manufacturing in the U. S.?: http://www.bcg.com/media/PressReleaseDetails.aspx?id=tcm:12-116389
 
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Texashiker

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They will makeup discretionary spending with healthcare expenses. Also the cruise and casino industries should do well.

Who is going to step in and replace those big ticket purchases?

Baby boomers are not buying homes, cars, trucks,,, like they were doing in the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s.

Generation X is not going to replace those big ticket items, as we are trying to plan for our retirement in 20 years.
 

nehalem256

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Who is going to step in and replace those big ticket purchases?

Baby boomers are not buying homes, cars, trucks,,, like they were doing in the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s.

Generation X is not going to replace those big ticket items, as we are trying to plan for our retirement in 20 years.

I imagine the homes especially will be a problem.

Buying a home requires you to have faith in a stable job situation. Or perhaps sadly anymore to be crazy.
 

Texashiker

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I imagine the homes especially will be a problem.

Buying a home requires you to have faith in a stable job situation. Or perhaps sadly anymore to be crazy.

When I was growing up (1970s and 1980s), mom and dad would buy a new car every 4 - 5 years. They both had a good drive to their job. Instead of dealing with an older car that would start having problems, they would buy a new one.

Multiple those 2 new cars every 4 - 5 years by millions of families all over America. That was a lot of money being spent between the 1970s - 2000s.

With the economy the way it is, people are hanging onto their older cars.

Its little things like that car example.
 

BoberFett

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One thing that could be interesting is asset values. Property, stocks, etc. The boomers hold a lot of that in retirement accounts, homes, etc, and as they sell off to fund their retirement could we see assets lose serious value, prompting even faster sell-offs in a spiraling value crash? I've read opinions both ways.
 

bfdd

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Housing and land prices are still over inflated. Also, this is one of the reasons I want a small self sustaining farm, to have space and ability to feed and shelter my parents.
 

nehalem256

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When I was growing up (1970s and 1980s), mom and dad would buy a new car every 4 - 5 years. They both had a good drive to their job. Instead of dealing with an older car that would start having problems, they would buy a new one.

Multiple those 2 new cars every 4 - 5 years by millions of families all over America. That was a lot of money being spent between the 1970s - 2000s.

With the economy the way it is, people are hanging onto their older cars.

Its little things like that car example.

There may be some impact on cars. But overall I would expect less than for housing. Cars are a much more consumable product than houses. If people hang onto their cars or purchase used instead of new this will drive up used car prices and make new cars more desirable.

You also do not buy cars with a 30 year loan and they are portable, whereas a house is not.
 

JTsyo

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When I was growing up (1970s and 1980s), mom and dad would buy a new car every 4 - 5 years. They both had a good drive to their job. Instead of dealing with an older car that would start having problems, they would buy a new one.

Multiple those 2 new cars every 4 - 5 years by millions of families all over America. That was a lot of money being spent between the 1970s - 2000s.

With the economy the way it is, people are hanging onto their older cars.

Its little things like that car example.

That might also have to do with the quality of the cars. Cars these days do 100K with no issue. You can hang to cars much longer without losing money on repairs than back then.
As for spending I don't think we'll see the same spending since people were not only spending what they made but were spending credit too. Now i think we'll more likely see people saving during good times. I think the growth we saw in the last decade might have been borrowed from this decade.
 

Texashiker

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There may be some impact on cars. But overall I would expect less than for housing. Cars are a much more consumable product than houses. If people hang onto their cars or purchase used instead of new this will drive up used car prices and make new cars more desirable.

You also do not buy cars with a 30 year loan and they are portable, whereas a house is not.

That might also have to do with the quality of the cars. Cars these days do 100K with no issue. You can hang to cars much longer without losing money on repairs than back then.
As for spending I don't think we'll see the same spending since people were not only spending what they made but were spending credit too. Now i think we'll more likely see people saving during good times. I think the growth we saw in the last decade might have been borrowed from this decade.

Guys, the cars is an example of how the baby boomers are not spending money like they used to.

Who is going to replace the flow of money the baby boomers once supplied?

Does generation Z (internet generation) have the buying power that the baby boomers did in the 1970s and 1980s?
 

IGBT

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you won't need any of it. Your obama want's to de industrialize the US..remember?? Down size and do with out.. including jobs will be the new normal.
 

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The baby boomer generation forged our economy after world war two. They are the ones that built and bought the homes, built and bought the trucks and cars, built our highways,,,,.
uh, no, their parents did. boomers didn't start entering the workforce until the mid 1960s and weren't significant until 1970.
 

zsdersw

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Royalties from reruns of Matlock, Murder She Wrote, and advertising revenue and prizes from Wheel of Fortune will keep us afloat.
 

nehalem256

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Guys, the cars is an example of how the baby boomers are not spending money like they used to.

Who is going to replace the flow of money the baby boomers once supplied?

Does generation Z (internet generation) have the buying power that the baby boomers did in the 1970s and 1980s?

I thought it was GenY?

But whatever.

One of the biggest problems is trusting the job situation. Even if you have a good job now will you have one in the same city 10 years from now?

This is pretty much a sane requirement for purchasing a house, but not for purchasing a car.
 

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Who is going to replace the financial contributions of the baby boomer generation?
If your generation will not; then tighten your belt.
Pop out more kids to create a demand in 20 years.
 

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For my part I expect assert values to plummet in what I coin "The Great Selloff". I plan to move assets into cash equivalents or deflation resistant vehicles as fast as reasonably possible.
 

Texashiker

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For my part I expect assert values to plummet in what I coin "The Great Selloff". I plan to move assets into cash equivalents or deflation resistant vehicles as fast as reasonably possible.

In Port Arthur Texas, areas down by the port were thriving communities in the 1960s, 1970s and even into the early 1980s.

Over the course of two generations a funny thing happened. The first generation built the community. The second generation did not want to stay, so they moved away.

When the first generation started dying off, the homes were willed to the children, who did not live in the area.

What happened to the homes? They were sold off, or turned into rental property.

By the time the late 1980s arrived, downtown Port Arthur had been turned into a slum district.

Today, its a drug infested and economically depressed area.

My wifes step dad lives in Liberty Lake Washington. The area started off as a retirement area, then was marketed to younger people wishing to live in a safe place to raise their children.

Some of the areas where older people once lived have since started the same trend as Port Arthur. Parents die, none of the kids want the house so its sold or turned into rental property.

I wonder if a lot of areas that were marketed as ideal retirement areas will turn into slums in the next 10 - 20 years?

If that happens, the housing market will take another crash.

How many of the baby boomers invested into rental property? Once they die the property will be dumped on the market.
 
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Infohawk

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I could see there being short-term problems as the economy adjusts but long-term I don't buy into it being the end of the world. When the boomers start retiring, younger people will have access to higher-paying jobs and will start spending more.

The bigger concerns are the creative destruction associated with ongoing globalization and even the prospect that boomers will hang on to their jobs and positions of power for too long.
 

Sonikku

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WHY are we spending MY tax dollars to support a bunch of old fogies that aren't spending and aren't working? I guess that's why they call them entitlements, as they all feel entitled to free money from our pockets. Just imagine the number of problems that would be solved if we just turned off the life support and allowed natural selection to take it's rightful course.