Everyone except you. AMD gave us Matisse on 300 and 400-series boards over the opposition of OEMs. I appreciate that much. Do you?
B550 (and A520) should have launched along X570 or close to it.
AMD farmed out production of B550 of ASMedia. ASMedia failed, so all we got was X570. How many times do I have to tell you that?
You want B550 to have the same redundant I/O die as a chipset that requires a fan, drives up power reqs by 7W (or more) and increases BoM? Good luck getting boards below $150 that way. That is the only way AMD could have released that chipset in 2019.
Is not someone else problem. The unusual delay happened, like it not. PERIOD.
What usual delay? ASMedia delivered B350, X370, B450, and X470 "on time".
You are putting too much focus on something that is the least of the problems here.
You're the one who wants multiple SATA ports on motherboards, not me. The number of SATA ports on motherboards in 2020 is the least of our problems.
Im still expecting for you to prove me wrong in anything i said
I JUST PASTED A LINK PROVING THAT NOBODY CARES ABOUT SATA ANYMORE.
@tamz_msc showed you that AMD was NOT the one that stopped OEMs from supporting PCIe 4.0 on older chipsets. AMD was responsible for Matisse working on those chipsets, period! The OEMs wanted to sell us nothing but x570 for Matisse, and since Matisse is required for PCIe 4.0 functionality on AM4, it is the OEMs that did not want to support PCIe 4.0 on older chipsets. How much more proof do you need? And why am I responsible for disproving statements that you make when you provide no credible evidence to support your initial claims?
It is up to you to prove that people care about SATA.
It is up to you to prove that AMD blocked OEMs from supporting PCIe 4.0 on older chipsets.
Unfortunately for you, you can't do either one of those things now, so your opportunity is lost, such as it was.
what did you aside from attacking me?
You really think I'm "attacking" you?
I said there are right now B450 boards with 6 Satas that losses two if a x4 NVME is used due to chipset limitations, thats a problem.
No, it isn't. SATA is mostly dead.
then i pointed out that if you do need them or not thats personal
And I pointed out that the market is trending rapidly away from SATA. It is a dead standard.
Then you come out saying no one needs SATAs because YOU dont need more satas
I pasted a link showing you that SATA is dead. I am following the same trend as most everyone else.
It is not a lie, AMD did force block all non x570 from using PCI-E 4.0 by AGESA, i could accept you the arguments about blocking it on old motherboards because old motherboard are not certified.
AMD pulled support because it didn't work right. They didn't "block" anything. They made the right call. Stop asking them to release half-arsed garbage that would cause trouble for users and for AMD down the road. PCIe on older chipsets never worked correctly. It never supported PCIe 4.0 to the NVMe slots. You want PCIe 4.0 to one PCIe slot and that's it? Why? Video cards can't take advantage of that, at all. The feature, as implemented, was completely worthless. Nobody in their right mind would support that.
Is not true that OEM could not have launched new motherboards versions with PCI-E 4.0 and B450 chipsets, you are just making stuff up here.
@tamz_msc proved that OEMs would refuse to do such a thing. They didn't even want to support Matisse on B450, much less redesign the boards. I'm not making up anything.
it would had been actually good idea to do it considering how long it took to get B550 out.
Why? OEMs got to upsell a lot of x570 this way. It was certainly better for them. It might not have been better for us, but then paying $40-$50 more for B450 boards with rerouted PCIe lanes to support a feature that a lot of us didn't even want anyway could have also sucked. If B450 dried up quickly and all we had was x570 and B550, would you want to pay extra for PCIe 4.0 functionality if you didn't need it? Many people didn't need it, and they wound up with cheaper B450 and X470 boards instead. ASMedia's failure saved people some money.
But as i said, it was blocked by AGESA so, there were never even a chance.
Keep telling yourself that, pal.
@Gideon
I think AMD has given up trying to get OEMs to play ball. If you look at the messy 2-3 month period after the release of Matisse, you'll see that OEMs did a pretty lousy job of extending support for Matisse to their older chipsets. Launch UEFI support for non-x570 boards was spotty, and it stayed that way for awhile. Once it settled out, it was better, but there are still issues getting Matisse to work properly on some boards. Trying to get the same OEMs to support Vermeer on boards as far back as X370 would be even worse. This way, we don't have to worry about mouse support disappearing after a UEFI update, or features vanishing, or anything like that. We don't have to worry about OEMs taking months to fix problems with the UEFI on older boards. Or at least not as much as we did last year. I sort of wonder how well OEMs will support existing X570 boards.
Personally I would like to see Vermeer at least supported on X470. X470 is certainly capable. There are probably some B450 boards that deserve consideration as well. We don't know what communication has gone on between AMD and Asus, ASRock, Gigabyte, MSI, and Biostar. I do agree that we should have been given advanced warning about support for Vermeer, since there were some people planning on dropping one into their AM4 boards that we now know will not support Zen3. I question who it was that ultimately forced that decision. The level of secrecy surrounding Vermeer is problematic.
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