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[VirtualLarry]

No need for adapters, my PS has 6 pin connectors. No need for extra wires or power draw when I don't game either. I'll just keep using my old GTX-950.

I guess, I just fail to see the problem, then. *shrug*. Makes me almost wonder if this is a "hit piece" then.

Edit: I estimate the extra power draw of the Asus GTX 1650 "P" model, to be on the order of 10-15W at most.

If that is "too much" power draw for you to handle, why are you still using an "old GTX 950", surely, the power draw of that is EVEN GREATER?

BTW, you mentioned that they were shipping the Asus GTX 1650 models with GDDR6 since (Sept. 2020?)? You do realize, that could be why only the"P" model is left in the channel, a right? Because there was a GDDR5 shortage, and GDDR6 was more available, and the GDDR6 models require the 6pin. You WILL NOT find a GTX 1650 with GDDR6 (AFAIK) without a 6-pin. And again, AFAIK, all of the current GTX 1650 models (Rev 2.0), have the Turing encoder, and GDDR6, and yes, a 6-pin.

I mean, you have every right to complain, if they didn't send you what you wanted, but your response to what they DID send you, seems a little Karen-esque. Or at least, doesn't make sense, given what you've stated here.

 

[WilliamM2]

B&H was trying to do the right thing and send you an equivalent card, mildly better, to fill the order. Wright or wrong, it's not like they are a bad company for doing it.

You basically can either
1. Return it
2. Buy a simple 6 pin extension cable.

They were not trying to do the right thing, they did not even know this card existed. It was a very confusing phone call with lots of hold time. I never said they were a bad company, I asked how reliable are they? I may use them in the future.

They are refunding, I have no issue there.

BTW, for anyone who looks to get this card, there is a very piercing bright white LED where the power plugs in. Very annoying. Another strike against me keeping it.

 

[Captante]

That might be the worst analogy I have ever heard.

Both models were released at the same time. It's not a replacement for the non powered card. They released them both in September , now with GDDR6.

But B&H is taking care of the issue. No need for adapters, my PS has 6 pin connectors. No need for extra wires or power draw when I don't game either. I'll just keep using my old GTX-950. But I like to replace all my parts every 4-5 years, keeps failure rates low. The 950 is 5.5 years old now.

If you don't game at all even a GTX-950 is overkill.

The best bet IMO is just keep using it till it dies. (which should be a good long time if you don't game and never remove/handle it)

BTW, for anyone who looks to get this card, there is a very piercing bright white LED where the power plugs in

Nothing 5 seconds with some black electrical tape and an x-acto knife couldn't take care of!

 

[WilliamM2]

I guess, I just fail to see the problem, then. *shrung*. Makes me almost wonder if this is a "hit piece" then.

I've explained the issue 10 times. If you fail to see it, I can't help.

 

[WilliamM2]

If you don't game at all even a GTX-950 is overkill.

The best bet IMO is just keep using it till it dies. (which should be a good long time if you don't game and never remove/handle it)




Nothing 5 seconds with some black electrical tape and an x-acto knife could take care of!

I agree. But the GTX-950 Mini fan spins at full speed on boot (very loud). With my old Intel system, this lasted less than 2 seconds. With the Ryzen system and the slower post time it last 5-7 seconds. Mildly annoying, so I thought I would replace it. Plus right now you can get up to $100 for them on Ebay, so it wasn't much of a cost.

 

[Captante]

I agree. But the GTX-950 Mini fan spins at full speed on boot (very loud). With my old Intel system, this lasted less than 2 seconds. With the Ryzen system and the slower post time it last 5-7 seconds. Mildly annoying, so I thought I would replace it. Plus right now you can get up to $100 for them on Ebay, so it wasn't much of a cost.

I upgraded my system to Ryzen over the summer and had planned on snagging an RTX-3070/3080 to run in it by now as I do game on my PC.

It's not going well so far ... I feel your pain.


Fortunately my GTX-980 is hanging in there by its finger-nails lol.

 

[WilliamM2]

I upgraded my system to Ryzen over the summer and had planned on snagging an RTX-3070/3080 to run in it by now as I do game on my PC.

It's not going well so far ... I feel your pain.


Fortunately my GTX-980 is hanging in there by its finger-nails lol.

Do you notice a slower post time with Ryzen compared to Intel? I've googled, and 15 to 25 seconds is quite common. Mine takes 15.5. The main reason I upgraded was to go PCIE-4 NVME and get a Samsung 980 Pro.

Disappointed that it takes 15 seconds to post, and then only about 4 seconds to boot windows! About the same overall as my old 6500K.

 

[Captante]

Do you notice a slower post time with Ryzen compared to Intel? I've googled, and 15 to 25 seconds is quite common. Mine takes 15.5. The main reason I upgraded was to go PCIE-4 NVME and get a Samsung 980 Pro.

Disappointed that it takes 15 seconds to post, and then only about 4 seconds to boot windows! About the same overall as my old 6500K.

15.5 seconds from a cold start to desktop sounds pretty good to me!

First-world problem?

I went from an FX-8350 to my current Ryzen 3600 so I can't comment on a new mid-range Intel system restart time unfortunately. Intel however was way ahead of AMD in terms of implementing "fast-boot" in Win 10 so I'm not surprised.

The boot time for me dropped from (approx) 45 seconds to 21 seconds from clicking "restart" back to a fully usable desktop ... slightly faster when set to "super-fast" in the BIOS.

The only thing that had really had a negative effect on Win 10 load time for me was enabling Norton 360's "aggressive" pre-boot scan and that added maybe 2-3 seconds max.


EDIT: Don't waste your money on the 980 Pro NVME ... yes technically it's faster and yes its measurable BUT seat-of-the-pants the only difference is that your wallet will be a lot lighter! *(also its NOT MLC)

 

[LikeLinus]

They were not trying to do the right thing, they did not even know this card existed. It was a very confusing phone call with lots of hold time.

You're the most confusing person.

1. They didn't do the right thing
2. They didn't know the card existed.
3. They don't have the card in stock
4. David Blaine was filling in on inventory one day...MAGIC!
4. They shipped the card to you.

So even though they don't know the card exist or even have it in stock, they somehow sent it to you. Your logic is that something magical happened and it couldn't possibly be that they provided almost the exact same card as a substitute?

Furthermore, you do realize this is a larger retailer and they have multiple departments. Phone sales department may have no idea what purchasing, inventory and shipping have or what they are doing. It may not have been in their system and that's why you were put on hold. They may not have posted the card because of such limited stock and someone along the line decided to ship the card to you as a replacement that happens to be a minor upgrade.

But your theory is.....?

 

[WilliamM2]

15.5 seconds from a cold start to desktop sounds pretty good to me!

First-world problem?

I went from an FX-8350 to my current Ryzen 3600 so I can't comment on a new mid-range Intel system restart time unfortunately. Intel however was way ahead of AMD in terms of implementing "fast-boot" in Win 10 so I'm not surprised.

The boot time for me dropped from (approx) 45 seconds to 21 seconds from clicking "restart" back to a fully usable desktop ... slightly faster when set to "super-fast" in the BIOS.

The only thing that has really had a negative effect on Win 10 load time for me was enabling Norton 360's "aggressive" pre-boot scan and that added maybe 2-3 seconds max.


EDIT: Don't waste your money on the 980 Pro NVME ... yes technically it's faster and yes its measurable BUT seat-of-the-pants the only difference is that your wallet will be a lot lighter! *(also its NOT MLC)

No, 15.5 seconds to POST. Then the 980 Pro boots to Windows inn about 4-5 seconds. 20 seconds total, which isn't bad. But my 6500K would post in about 5 seconds, so it's no faster to login. You can check your post time by running task manager, and looking at the top os the startup tab for "Last Bios Time".

I don't think the 980 was a waste, it is much faster than my old SSD, and the 500G was on sale for $119, not too bad. I know it's not MLC, but at 300TB life expectancy, I have about thirty years left.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

B&H has done alright by me in the past. Pretty much everything is sucky at the moment. When it's in stock, it's delayed in transit.

 

[WilliamM2]

You're the most confusing person.

1. They didn't do the right thing
2. They didn't know the card existed.
3. They don't have the card in stock
4. David Blaine was filling in on inventory one day...MAGIC!
4. They shipped the card to you.

So even though they don't know the card exist or even have it in stock, they somehow sent it to you. Your logic is that something magical happened and it couldn't possibly be that they provided almost the exact same card as a substitute?

Furthermore, you do realize this is a larger retailer and they have multiple departments. Phone sales department may have no idea what purchasing, inventory and shipping have or what they are doing. It may not have been in their system and that's why you were put on hold. They may not have posted the card because of such limited stock and someone along the line decided to ship the card to you as a replacement that happens to be a minor upgrade.

But your theory is.....?

Your reading comprehension needs some help. They don't have it in stock NOW. It was not in stock when I ordered like they claimed. They did not know there were TWO versions of the card. They don't carry the card they sent me (according to THEM).

They did not ship the card I ordered, they have never had it in stock. No David Blaine magic required to ship a DIFFERENT product than the one I ordered...7 weeks ago.

My theory was already posted, their supplier sent them the wrong cards, that's what she thought as well when I called.

The return reason states "Wrong item shipped". Not too confusing.

 

[BarkingGhostar]

Anyone successfully use these guys to buy parts? I placed my first order ever with them...I ordered a video card on November 24th, it was listed as in stock! They even sent me an email notifying me it was in stock. It was not in stock, they said it would ship in a week. Well I just got it today, 7 weeks later and it's the wrong card, not the one I ordered.

So they offered an exchange, but it's out of stock (never has been in stock), they expect more in about a week....They charged my PayPal account on Nov. 24th. So I told them I would just take a refund.

This PC has been a pain to build, first I get a bad MB from Newegg that died in a day, and took 26 days to RMA, and now this.

Is anyone reliable anymore? Just venting...

I recently took them up on a discontinued Canon DSLR that went for a clearance price of $1500 instead of $3K. They claimed to have it in stock but after the order was placed I got an email saying they were waiting on additional new stock. Of course I went looking at Canon's website and they were selling it for the same half-off price and had it in stock. I think it took like a week and a half to finally get it.

 

[Captante]

No, 15.5 seconds to POST. Then the 980 Pro boots to Windows inn about 4-5 seconds. 20 seconds total, which isn't bad. But my 6500K would post in about 5 seconds, so it's no faster to login. You can check your post time by running task manager, and looking at the top os the startup tab for "Last Bios Time".

I don't think the 980 was a waste, it is much faster than my old SSD, and the 500G was on sale for $119, not too bad. I know it's not MLC, but at 300TB life expectancy, I have about thirty years left.

Check the benchmarks on the 980 Pro compared to other good NVME drives not SATA. It is slightly faster than most but only VERY slightly and 10 years from now it'll be obsolete like most PC hardware. However it's your money and it's not like its a bad drive just too expensive. *(I paid HALF that for my 500gb 970 EVO NVME and a few bucks less for my 2x WD Black 500gb NVME's)

And yeah 15 seconds to POST does seem kinda long ... I have a Gigabyte B450 Pro Wifi MB and my Ryzen posts in about 3 seconds.

Do you by any chance have the BIOS set to to delay initializing drives or possibly to display detailed POST information? It also could be doing some kind of extended memory-test which is slowing things down.

EDIT: Have you updated to the newest BIOS? If not that could also be the culprit.

 

[WilliamM2]

Check the benchmarks on the 980 Pro compared to other good NVME drives not SATA. It is slightly faster than most but only VERY slightly and 10 years from now it'll be obsolete like most PC hardware. However it's your money and it's not like its a bad drive just too expensive. *(I paid HALF that for my 500gb 970 EVO NVME and a few bucks less for my 2x WD Black 500gb NVME's)

And yeah 15 seconds to POST does seem kinda long ... I have a Gigabyte B450 Pro Wifi MB and my Ryzen posts in about 3 seconds.

Do you by any chance have the BIOS set to to delay initializing drives or possibly to display detailed POST information? It also could be doing some kind of extended memory-test which is slowing things down.

EDIT: Have you updated to the newest BIOS? If not that could also be the culprit.

Did you check task manager to see the "Last Bios Time"? I have never heard of any Ryzen system (or Intel) posting that fast, and I've done a lot of research. The MSI and Gigabyte boards were known to take the longest. Just curious.

And yes, I have the latest bios, and have tried all the settings for the fastest boot. From everything I've read, it's normal for AMD?

Couple examples:

AMD platform, is slow post common?

Hi guys, so I just built a new system after about 6.5 years with i7 4770K. In the past, I didn't think much about boot times, but the Intel system on Z87 based Asus mobo would post in just a couple of second, and probably boot to log in screen in under another 10... Now on this new Ryzen 7 build,...

linustechtips.com

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cfit4m

 

[Captante]

I don't even have it set on the fastest startup-time ... on that setting you won't even see it POST it goes effectively straight to the Win 10 loading screen after the "beep".

And I timed it with the stopwatch on my phone.

Btw how do you figure looking at "up-time" in Windows task manager will help you figure out how long your system takes to POST? It won't really even tell you accurately how long to a usable desktop!

EDIT 1: Sorry just realized you said bios time not up time ... it reads 18.2 seconds on a reboot but that's more like what it took from shutdown to startup of Windows... (see edit 2)

EDIT 2: I just changed to "Super-fast" boot (Gigabyte provides a utility) and timed a reboot from USABLE desktop to USABLE desktop.

From pressing the power-button to beep to Win 10 loading screen was almost exactly 3.5 seconds.

With password disabled it takes 22 seconds desktop to desktop.

Compare that to Win 98 on a 5400 rpm HD lol ... I knew people at a place I did desktop support who would push the power button and go to breakfast, then it would just be loading up the login screen when they came back!


I am running overclocked on all 6 cores @ 4.4 ghz and booting off one of those WD Black NVME's plus NO mechanical drives at all. (which might be an explanation)


EDIT 3: Just shut down for 30 seconds then powered back up ... bios time now shows 9.3 seconds so it must be counting some of the time the Win 10 load screen is showing.

 

[WilliamM2]

EDIT 1: Sorry just realized you said bios time not up time ... it reads 18.2 seconds on a reboot but that's more like what it took from shutdown to startup of Windows... (see edit 2)

EDIT 3: Just shut down for 30 seconds then powered back up ... bios time now shows 9.3 seconds so it must be counting some of the time the Win 10 load screen is showing.

Nope, that is just the time to post, it does not include loading windows. Odd that yours varies between reboot and cold start. Mine is consistently 15.3 seconds. If I enable fast boot in the bios it goes to 14.3 seconds, which makes sense, I have the delay time to enter bios set to 1 second.

I just find it weird, my 6600k was 4 seconds, and even the 7 year old i3's we use at work are 4.1 seconds. If I could get that with the 980's boot time of 4-5 seconds that would be impressive. In windows in less than 10 seconds. Instead it's 20. Not a big deal, but I expect computers (including bios) to get faster each year, not slower.

Edit: Do you have fast start enabled in Windows? That would explain why a shut down is faster. In Win10 by default shutdown isn't really shutdown it's a hybrid shutdown (hybernation). A reboot is a true shutdown and restart, so it takes longer.

I always disable fast startup.

 

[Captante]

Nope, that is just the time to post, it does not include loading windows. Odd that yours varies between reboot and cold start. Mine is consistently 15.3 seconds. If I enable fast boot in the bios it goes to 14.3 seconds, which makes sense, I have the delay time to enter bios set to 1 second.

I just find it weird, my 6600k was 4 seconds, and even the 7 year old i3's we use at work are 4.1 seconds. If I could get that with the 980's boot time of 4-5 seconds that would be impressive. In windows in less than 10 seconds. Instead it's 20. Not a big deal, but I expect computers (including bios) to get faster each year, not slower.

Edit: Do you have fast start enabled in Windows? That would explain why a shut down is faster. In Win10 by default shutdown isn't really shutdown it's a hybrid shutdown (hybernation). A reboot is a true shutdown and restart, so it takes longer.

I always disable fast startup.

Yeah I was just reading a Reddit post where a guys 4770k booted to desktop in 11 seconds!

Well I DID like my new PC! Thanks a lot!






I'll check the bios-time a few more times over the next couple days and report back... you've piqued my curiosity!

 

[Captante]

Edit: Do you have fast start enabled in Windows? That would explain why a shut down is faster. In Win10 by default shutdown isn't really shutdown it's a hybrid shutdown (hybernation). A reboot is a true shutdown and restart, so it takes longer.

Negative on that ... I'm aware of the hibernation/restart issue.

The Gigabyte utility ticks a switch in the UEFI BIOS.

 

[LikeLinus]

Your reading comprehension needs some help. They don't have it in stock NOW. It was not in stock when I ordered like they claimed. They did not know there were TWO versions of the card. They don't carry the card they sent me (according to THEM).

They did not ship the card I ordered, they have never had it in stock. No David Blaine magic required to ship a DIFFERENT product than the one I ordered...7 weeks ago.

My theory was already posted, their supplier sent them the wrong cards, that's what she thought as well when I called.

The return reason states "Wrong item shipped". Not too confusing.

No, I understood perfectly well. You really have to question a post from someone who provides no information about what they were purchasing and no details.

You, yourself, even mention you don't game and really don't even need the card! But you want to complain they ended up sending you an upgrade over what you ordered?

You fail to realize you are ordering a very high demand product from a segment that is in very short supply and during the holiday season.

Accidents happen in the supply chain and in retail. This is happening to every vendor of computer related items.

Did this REALLY require a whole thread? Do you think everyone who has a poor experience during the past 10 months should post about it??? You seem to be hell bent on hating B&H, but they honestly seem to appear to have (intentional or not, we only have to go on your "word", which has been lackluster) sent you an upgrade. You don't want it because your cable isn't long enough. First world!!

You want something you don't need. They sent you something better. You cry about it. Buy an extension cable (most logical people would) or return it and move on. Quit making false claims (it uses far more power! Proof?) or guesses about the situation.

 

[VirtualLarry]

I was just checking ebay, OP should buy an RX 460 off of ebay (with NO 6-pin power needed) for $50 used. Then he won't have to complain about too much performance.

 

[WilliamM2]

No, I understood perfectly well. You really have to question a post from someone who provides no information about what they were purchasing and no details.

I provided links to both products. Like I said, your reading comprehension just sucks.

And as far as the rest, not worth commenting on. I want the product I purchased, not a different one. I chose it for a reason, I don't need you to agree with the choice. It was listed as in stock when I bought it, high demand or not.

 

[WilliamM2]

I was just checking ebay, OP should buy an RX 460 off of ebay (with NO 6-pin power needed) for $50 used. Then he won't have to complain about too much performance.

Where did I complain about too much performance?

 

[Scarpozzi]

Where did I complain about too much performance?

I'm in agreement with both you and the others.

1. Sucks that the part you got was a slightly different model.
2. That may have been B&H, but may have been their supplier that didn't provide the exact product. If B&H doesn't have the ski in their system, that supports that logic.
3. It sucks that high power consumption parts can't get enough power from 4 pins or the mobo slot they plug into.

I feel like we're going down a bad road dealing with power standards and expectations changing. My last PC build resulted in me realizing I was missing some pins from my new PSU that my motherboard could have used. I'm not overclocking, but they would be required of I did.


At the end of the day, power consumption isn't going to be that different on your wallet. Just use sleep mode so it doesn't heat up when you aren't there.