Aziz Ansari #himtoo

[Starbuck1975]

The culture you're trying to preserve is Hollywood?

Weird thing to assert.

Also, nice to see you dismiss the rest of the post. How many unreported sexual assaults vs false accusations?

You dismissed my earlier question asking if an awkward date is now a criminal offense.

If you have data to present, please do.

Let U = unreported sexual assaults
Let R = reported sexual assaults
Let A = accusations

I have no doubt that U > R

I however cannot accept a society where
If U > R
then A = true

 

[interchange]

You dismissed my earlier question asking if an awkward date is now a criminal offense.

If you have data to present, please do.

Let U = unreported sexual assaults
Let R = reported sexual assaults
Let A = accusations

I have no doubt that U > R

I however cannot accept a society where
If U > R
then A = true

I do not believe anyone is asking you to convict Aziz of a crime. Because individual cases cannot be proven does not mean that we are unable to learn from the collection of these cases.

 

[Perknose]

You dismissed my earlier question asking if an awkward date is now a criminal offense.

I however cannot accept a society where
If U > R
then A = true

Nobody is claiming that her perspective, her side of the story, means Ansari has committed a criminal offense, including her!

It was more than an awkward date for her, it was a terrible experience. She didn't handle it well, I'll grant you that. Can you even begin to understand the underlying, age old power dynamic as to why that might have been?

So, now, for the first time, the other side of the coin is being heard. As this societal pendulum swings, there will be some overreach, for sure, because collectively, no society is perfect. But women have been afraid to tell their side of this many, many, many stories for far too long. Now, they are.

More balance is coming, at long last. Deal with it and try not to get too rhetorically hysterical in your response, because, as the saying goes:

When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.

 

[Starbuck1975]

I do not believe anyone is asking you to convict Aziz of a crime. Because individual cases cannot be proven does not mean that we are unable to learn from the collection of these cases.

The problem with bringing these cases into the public domain is that it is essentially career ending without due process

 

[Starbuck1975]

Nobody is claiming that her perspective, her side of the story, means Ansari has committed a criminal offense, including her!

It was more than an awkward date for her, it was a terrible experience. She didn't handle it well, I'll grant you that. Can you even begin to understand the underlying, age old power dynamic as to why that might have been?

So, now, for the first time, the other side of the coin is being heard. As this societal pendulum swings, there will be some overreach, for sure, because collectively, no society is perfect. But women have been afraid to tell their side of this many, many, many stories for far too long. Now, they are.

More balance is coming, at long last. Deal with it and try not to get too rhetorically hysterical in your response, because, as the saying goes:

When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.

Thank you for balancing the equation rather than knee jerking.

I agree with everything you wrote except the last line, which I will now correct. I consider due process a right, not a privilege

When you are accustomed to the rule of law, social media witch hunts feel like presumed guilt

 

[thecoolnessrune]

Thank you for balancing the equation rather than knee jerking.

I agree with everything you wrote except the last line, which I will now correct. I consider due process a right, not a privilege

When you are accustomed to the rule of law, social media witch hunts feel like presumed guilt

No one is judging him in the court of law. In the court of public opinion though, I can understand where you're coming from. It sounds like these stories come out regularly now. A sign of the balance of privilege shifting back towards center (and sometimes to the other side). As someone who did right but still at one point found the cards stacked against him, I can sympathize at least with the idea that people might have a fear that some of these might normalize the reporting every small thing that may or may not have happened at a person's whim might seem unfair. As others said, I think the amount of good it does it far more massive than the amount of harm it does, but like that one bad reaction to a vaccine out of millions, you hope you're not the one who gets their ticket punched.

 

[UNCjigga]

Better yet, take a page out of Black Mirror and somebody should create an app where two people can record their sexual consent with a tap.

That app already exists, and yes, it uses blockchain.

https://legalfling.io/

 

[Atreus21]

https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2018/01/the-humiliation-of-aziz-ansari/550541/

Good read.

 

[Victorian Gray]

#Savetheoppressedmen!

 

[shortylickens]

A slap in the face might get your neck broke.

 

[jackstar7]

When you are accustomed to the rule of law, social media witch hunts feel like presumed guilt

Somehow I imagine when the court of public opinion was in session for someone you didn't like you had no problem condemning that person.

Just a hunch. Maybe you weren't different 20 years ago...

I also don't understand who or what you are fighting for here. It's up to businesses to decide whether they do business with someone who has allegations against them. Didn't stop Trump. Doesn't stop lots of people. Elon Musk, Bill Clinton, etc. etc. etc.

So when people's lives aren't ruined by allegations of this kind (some with more evidence and corroboration), what justice is there in that?

Also, as long as cops are just killing unarmed people, I'm not sure the rule of law is in effect. So it does come back to your privilege. Sorry to conflate various issues, but good god, the ground you're taking a stand on isn't as rock stable as you seem to think.

 

[jackstar7]

I however cannot accept a society where
If U > R
then A = true

The pendulum is swinging this way. What do you want to do about it besides bitching on a message board?

I mean I suppose that's one way not to accept it, and maybe that's enough, but it ends up looking a lot like you do accept it.

 

[cytg111]

Thank you for balancing the equation rather than knee jerking.

I agree with everything you wrote except the last line, which I will now correct. I consider due process a right, not a privilege

When you are accustomed to the rule of law, social media witch hunts feel like presumed guilt

I guess the majority of us thinks that the collateral damage, pr social media, is acceptable losses and peanuts compared to where this thing got its momentum to begin with. As you phrase it yourself, the equation will balance it self out eventually and we will end up in a better place than we started.

 

[ch33zw1z]

The problem with bringing these cases into the public domain is that it is essentially career ending without due process

Or you become president. Tough gamble

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[Ancalagon44]

Better yet, take a page out of Black Mirror and somebody should create an app where two people can record their sexual consent with a tap.

Someone is trying to do exactly that. But think about it, it won't hold in court. Neither would a signed contract witnessed by an attorney/lawyer.

"He/she/they coerced me into signing."
"I was drunk when I signed."

Etc etc.

 

[Paratus]

Better yet, take a page out of Black Mirror and somebody should create an app where two people can record their sexual consent with a tap.

An oldy but a goody:

 

[thecoolnessrune]

I guess the majority of us thinks that the collateral damage, pr social media, is acceptable losses and peanuts compared to where this thing got its momentum to begin with. As you phrase it yourself, the equation will balance it self out eventually and we will end up in a better place than we started.

I can say that if you compare damages on each "side", yes the collateral damage is "peanuts". I would not even for a moment consider them "acceptable losses". It's a very easy thing to say when it's not your life on the line.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Somehow I imagine when the court of public opinion was in session for someone you didn't like you had no problem condemning that person.

Just a hunch. Maybe you weren't different 20 years ago...

I also don't understand who or what you are fighting for here. It's up to businesses to decide whether they do business with someone who has allegations against them. Didn't stop Trump. Doesn't stop lots of people. Elon Musk, Bill Clinton, etc. etc. etc.

So when people's lives aren't ruined by allegations of this kind (some with more evidence and corroboration), what justice is there in that?

Also, as long as cops are just killing unarmed people, I'm not sure the rule of law is in effect. So it does come back to your privilege. Sorry to conflate various issues, but good god, the ground you're taking a stand on isn't as rock stable as you seem to think.

I don't like Al Franken, James Franco, the brothers Affleck or Aziz Ansari. I consider Hollywood a toxic place and male celebrities sit at about a zero on my empathy scale.

What bothers me is social media and the mob mentality it enables, not a good thing no matter how good the underlying intentions.

What really shocks me is that we've not seen any rock stars ensnared in the #metoo movement. The debauchery of the Sunset Strip hair metal era alone should fill the queue for months.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Or you become president. Tough gamble

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I know right, we've had at least two sexual predators occupy the White House in my lifetime

 

[ch33zw1z]

I know right, we've had at least two sexual predators occupy the White House in my lifetime

Current one had 40 years in the spotlight, and anyone with half a brain could of googled it. But hey, liberal tears are worth it....lol

 

[ch33zw1z]

I don't like Al Franken, James Franco, the brothers Affleck or Aziz Ansari. I consider Hollywood a toxic place and male celebrities sit at about a zero on my empathy scale.

What bothers me is social media and the mob mentality it enables, not a good thing no matter how good the underlying intentions.

What really shocks me is that we've not seen any rock stars ensnared in the #metoo movement. The debauchery of the Sunset Strip hair metal era alone should fill the queue for months.

You know what goes on behind the scenes, nobody remembers most of it...

 

[cytg111]

I can say that if you compare damages on each "side", yes the collateral damage is "peanuts". I would not even for a moment consider them "acceptable losses". It's a very easy thing to say when it's not your life on the line.

I would rather have the debate as it is now than not have it at all.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I taught my daughter to say no. If "no" means "yes" to the guy then get up and leave and never talk to that person again. So far so good.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

I would rather have the debate as it is now than not have it at all.

Agreed, and I would rather have open conversation about how these things are handled and expressed to best further the movement and encourage protections for the innocent, than not have them at all. I see no reason why it needs to be 100% one or the other.

 

[snarfbot]

dont save her she dont wanna be saved