Ayatollah Khamenei reportedly dead?

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Ausm

Originally posted by: kylebisme
Theologies are essentially just different schools of metaphysical philosophy. Of course many religious people fixate on nonsensical literal interpretations of what is inherently metaphorical analysis, and some exploit such misguided faith to control the masses, but there is much to learn from the religions of the world if one cares to take more than a superficial look at them.

So in English religion is basically a bunch of shit that people use to brainwash others but different forms of religion can prove interesting to study them.

Nah, the language used has no bearing what I was referring to. For example sake, while Buddhism is commonly considered a very open minded and peaceful theology, if you care to look at the history you'll find it has been exploited to control and oppress the masses much like any other. Of course there is still much worth learning from Buddhism regardless, one just has to be discerning to study the philosophical perspective it provides without succumbing to dogmatism which some unfortunately derive from how that perspective is expressed.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: Ausm

Originally posted by: kylebisme
Theologies are essentially just different schools of metaphysical philosophy. Of course many religious people fixate on nonsensical literal interpretations of what is inherently metaphorical analysis, and some exploit such misguided faith to control the masses, but there is much to learn from the religions of the world if one cares to take more than a superficial look at them.

So in English religion is basically a bunch of shit that people use to brainwash others but different forms of religion can prove interesting to study them.

Nah, the language used has no bearing what I was referring to. For example sake, while Buddhism is commonly considered a very open minded and peaceful theology, if you care to look at the history you'll find it has been exploited to control and oppress the masses much like any other. Of course there is still much worth learning from Buddhism regardless, one just has to be discerning to study the philosophical perspective it provides without succumbing to dogmatism which some unfortunately derive from how that perspective is expressed.

You are talking to bigots who think they are as wise as any religious fanatic thinks he is. These clowns have figured out there's no bearded man in the sky so they think they know everything. They are as ignorant of what religion is all about then the fools who think they practice it.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: piasabird
What makes you think his replacement will be much better for the west?

i'd guess if he is dead imadinnerjacket is going to try to consolidate power. the clerics may take a while to sort out the power structure amongst themselves, and so immadinnerjacket will have time to use his backroom pull with the basiij and other paramilitary factions to get himself in control. at that point does the inherent conflict of a shi'a government of clerics collapse?

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: kylebisme
but there is much to learn from the religions of the world if one cares to take more than a superficial look at them.

I agree. I would suggest starting with looking at Muhammad, trying to understand what he believed, and then corelating that with how he conducted himself in life.

 

[kylebisme]

I did that back in college, before the flood of hate propaganda I'm guessing you are referring to.

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: piasabird
What makes you think his replacement will be much better for the west?

i'd guess if he is dead imadinnerjacket is going to try to consolidate power. the clerics may take a while to sort out the power structure amongst themselves, and so immadinnerjacket will have time to use his backroom pull with the basiij and other paramilitary factions to get himself in control. at that point does the inherent conflict of a shi'a government of clerics collapse?

lmao

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: Ausm

Originally posted by: kylebisme
Theologies are essentially just different schools of metaphysical philosophy. Of course many religious people fixate on nonsensical literal interpretations of what is inherently metaphorical analysis, and some exploit such misguided faith to control the masses, but there is much to learn from the religions of the world if one cares to take more than a superficial look at them.

So in English religion is basically a bunch of shit that people use to brainwash others but different forms of religion can prove interesting to study them.

Nah, the language used has no bearing what I was referring to. For example sake, while Buddhism is commonly considered a very open minded and peaceful theology, if you care to look at the history you'll find it has been exploited to control and oppress the masses much like any other. Of course there is still much worth learning from Buddhism regardless, one just has to be discerning to study the philosophical perspective it provides without succumbing to dogmatism which some unfortunately derive from how that perspective is expressed.

You are talking to bigots who think they are as wise as any religious fanatic thinks he is. These clowns have figured out there's no bearded man in the sky so they think they know everything. They are as ignorant of what religion is all about then the fools who think they practice it.

Actually, i'm fine with "i don't know" until i do know. Knowledge for me isn't thinking up wild stories or believing in what was said around the camp fire in primitive societies thousands of years ago, it takes something that is possible to prove and has been proven, can be repeated and can be falsified for me to claim knowledge.

That Islam is as hate filled and ridiculous as Judaism, Christianity or Hinduism is isn't anything to argue about, it most certainly is. It's exclusive, not inclusive just like all other religions.

Ignorance portrayed as wisdom is what you always offer but no one thinks you are wise but yourself, you have some good points that you repeat to keep the drivel seemingly intelligent but no one (except PJABBER who does the exact same thing) is fooled.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: kylebisme
I did that back in college, before the flood of hate propaganda I'm guessing you are referring to.

Is it hate propaganda to say that Mohammed fucked a 9 year old little girl?

Is truth as written in the very work hate propaganda?

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: piasabird
What makes you think his replacement will be much better for the west?

i'd guess if he is dead imadinnerjacket is going to try to consolidate power. the clerics may take a while to sort out the power structure amongst themselves, and so immadinnerjacket will have time to use his backroom pull with the basiij and other paramilitary factions to get himself in control. at that point does the inherent conflict of a shi'a government of clerics collapse?

lmao

rofl, I laughed at that too. I couldn't figure out if he just happened upon that spelling or he meant it. When I saw it twice I realized it was on purpose. Still funny. Its like one of those misheard lyrics songs.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
religion, lol. Why do we still believe in this stuff?

Theologies are essentially just different schools of metaphysical philosophy. Of course many religious people fixate on nonsensical literal interpretations of what is inherently metaphorical analysis, and some exploit such misguided faith to control the masses, but there is much to learn from the religions of the world if one cares to take more than a superficial look at them.

go back to your conspiracy thread

I hate to see this kind of post, mike. It reflects poorly on you. I don't see how a person who may have a completely goofy opinion on one subject has to be off on all subjects. I saw nothing in his post that he should be prevented from saying. What makes you so intolerant that you want him to go away. What is the source of your pique. I think if you look hard enough you will find that somehow, something you believe is threatened by his existence.

5 years and my first moonie rebuttal :shocked:


FYI i had just shitpost the wtc7 thread immediately before so it was still on my mind.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
religion, lol. Why do we still believe in this stuff?

Theologies are essentially just different schools of metaphysical philosophy. Of course many religious people fixate on nonsensical literal interpretations of what is inherently metaphorical analysis, and some exploit such misguided faith to control the masses, but there is much to learn from the religions of the world if one cares to take more than a superficial look at them.

go back to your conspiracy thread

I hate to see this kind of post, mike. It reflects poorly on you. I don't see how a person who may have a completely goofy opinion on one subject has to be off on all subjects. I saw nothing in his post that he should be prevented from saying. What makes you so intolerant that you want him to go away. What is the source of your pique. I think if you look hard enough you will find that somehow, something you believe is threatened by his existence.

5 years and my first moonie rebuttal :shocked:


FYI i had just shitpost the wtc7 thread immediately before so it was still on my mind.

The question was, why was it still on your mind. What eats you about it? I don't care, the answer is for you, what you can learn about yourself.

 

[daniel49]

Skip the bloodshed Iran as one of the older civilizations in the world, just throw a party and call it good.
PS (take adminawackjob with ya)

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

The question was, why was it still on your mind. What eats you about it? I don't care, the answer is for you, what you can learn about yourself.

That brings to mind.. what the Iranian has going on in his and how that controls their reaction if he is dead?
I'm not sure how someone becomes chief or the Religious there... I mean really gets the top nod. I think there probably exists some sort of support base whose philosophy is generally thought to be Islamic as it was the day before he died and this base would have counseled him during his tenure.. iow, he reflected the desire of the folks who make that decision ergo, no change at all...
So, therefore, no change in the people.
It will be interesting to see what does occur.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

The question was, why was it still on your mind. What eats you about it? I don't care, the answer is for you, what you can learn about yourself.

That brings to mind.. what the Iranian has going on in his and how that controls their reaction if he is dead?
I'm not sure how someone becomes chief or the Religious there... I mean really gets the top nod. I think there probably exists some sort of support base whose philosophy is generally thought to be Islamic as it was the day before he died and this base would have counseled him during his tenure.. iow, he reflected the desire of the folks who make that decision ergo, no change at all...
So, therefore, no change in the people.
It will be interesting to see what does occur.

Since the inimatible Mulla Nasrudin is my Ayatolah, I happen to know something about this but found it well explained here to save me some typing:

So You Want To Be an Ayatollah
How Shiite clerics earn the name.
By Brendan I. Koerner
Posted Tuesday, April 6, 2004, at 6:11 PM ET
Listen to this story on NPR's Day to Day.

Muqtada Sadr, the Shiite cleric whose supporters are attacking U.S. troops in Iraq, has yet to attain the title of ayatollah. According to the New York Times, Sadr is "several ranks and many years away" from earning that honorific. How does a garden variety Shiite cleric become an ayatollah?

Through decades of outstanding scholarship, which in turn inspires the devotion of hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of followers. The route to becoming an ayatollah ("sign of God" in Arabic) is quite unlike the path toward becoming, for example, a Catholic bishop. There is no ceremony in which the office is formally bestowed, nor any specific requirements a candidate must fulfill. Rather, clerics who prove their wisdom over years of studying, teaching, writing, and preaching slowly gather the respect of both Shiite elders and everyday practitioners.

A typical ayatollah's career takes him to one of the Shiites' holy cities, like Najaf in Iraq or Qom in Iran. There, he studies at one of the pre-eminent Shiite seminaries, where he is expected to become an expert in theology, jurisprudence, science, and philosophy. After years of distinguished study, he begins delivering lectures of his own, offering unique, insightful interpretations of Islamic texts. He starts to write well-received books on religious topics, and young students seek out his wisdom. Eventually, his fame spreads beyond Islamic academic circles, and many Shiite faithful regard the cleric as a marja' at-taqlid?"a source of emulation." Once the cleric has gathered a critical mass of followers (known as muqallid) and earned the respect of his elderly teachers, he is generally considered an ayatollah.

 

[Jaskalas]

So, are we still working with a wildly unfounded rumor? I?m guessing no other sources are turning up yet.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: LunarRay

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

The question was, why was it still on your mind. What eats you about it? I don't care, the answer is for you, what you can learn about yourself.

That brings to mind.. what the Iranian has going on in his and how that controls their reaction if he is dead?
I'm not sure how someone becomes chief or the Religious there... I mean really gets the top nod. I think there probably exists some sort of support base whose philosophy is generally thought to be Islamic as it was the day before he died and this base would have counseled him during his tenure.. iow, he reflected the desire of the folks who make that decision ergo, no change at all...
So, therefore, no change in the people.
It will be interesting to see what does occur.

Since the inimatible Mulla Nasrudin is my Ayatolah, I happen to know something about this but found it well explained here to save me some typing:

So You Want To Be an Ayatollah
How Shiite clerics earn the name.
By Brendan I. Koerner
Posted Tuesday, April 6, 2004, at 6:11 PM ET
Listen to this story on NPR's Day to Day.

Muqtada Sadr, the Shiite cleric whose supporters are attacking U.S. troops in Iraq, has yet to attain the title of ayatollah. According to the New York Times, Sadr is "several ranks and many years away" from earning that honorific. How does a garden variety Shiite cleric become an ayatollah?

Through decades of outstanding scholarship, which in turn inspires the devotion of hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of followers. The route to becoming an ayatollah ("sign of God" in Arabic) is quite unlike the path toward becoming, for example, a Catholic bishop. There is no ceremony in which the office is formally bestowed, nor any specific requirements a candidate must fulfill. Rather, clerics who prove their wisdom over years of studying, teaching, writing, and preaching slowly gather the respect of both Shiite elders and everyday practitioners.

A typical ayatollah's career takes him to one of the Shiites' holy cities, like Najaf in Iraq or Qom in Iran. There, he studies at one of the pre-eminent Shiite seminaries, where he is expected to become an expert in theology, jurisprudence, science, and philosophy. After years of distinguished study, he begins delivering lectures of his own, offering unique, insightful interpretations of Islamic texts. He starts to write well-received books on religious topics, and young students seek out his wisdom. Eventually, his fame spreads beyond Islamic academic circles, and many Shiite faithful regard the cleric as a marja' at-taqlid?"a source of emulation." Once the cleric has gathered a critical mass of followers (known as muqallid) and earned the respect of his elderly teachers, he is generally considered an ayatollah.

Well, then I assume one becomes the top dog cuz he's the under boss of the boss so nothing really much changes in that case either.
I did notice the term 'unique' was used regarding his interpretation of Islamic texts... so a candidate is about change. If the folks dig it he may get the title? What kind of change, I guess, depends then on the people to make or break the prospective ayatollah but it is based on his unique brand of Islam.
I guess I still don't know how he's elevated to be the top dog, though. Is there some kind or debate or does someone proclaim themselves leader or is it by consensus of his peers?

 

[Moonbeam]

There are twenty or so Ayatollahs. The so called grand one was sort of declared and is a mater of conflict since it is not by consensus and traditionally had to be from what little I know.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

If he really turns out to be dead somebody gets to say

Ayatoldya so!