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lxskllr said:
:shrugs: I have almost zero interest in ecigs. My only interest is in the intersection with tobacco, and the rights(or lack thereof) regarding their use, taxation, and regulation.
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Around here everyone follows the rules before they are law.
No one under 18, and everything is taxed
The only thing that has to do with tobacco is extracting the nic from it, you can use tomatoes or potatoes if you want
 
Orignal Earl said:
Around here everyone follows the rules before they are law.
No one under 18, and everything is taxed
The only thing that has to do with tobacco is extracting the nic from it, you can use tomatoes or potatoes if you want
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To be clear, I'm against taxation. Regulation should be limited to policing fraudulent claims. 18 is probably an acceptable age limit.
 
lxskllr said:
To be clear, I'm against taxation. Regulation should be limited to policing fraudulent claims. 18 is probably an acceptable age limit.
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:thumbsup:

I'm always reminded of one of my step children who had asthma.
I'd strap on his mask, turn on his vaporizer, and drop his juice in it.
 
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Ichinisan said:
Compare with 100% poison with regular tobacco smoke.
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You can compare a lot of things. I heard it on the radio, and thought it was interesting. As it turns out, they're running it way hotter than a regular user would, but I think it's still worth studying. It should be tested at a wide range of settings to see where things start going wrong. Knowledge is power, and it'll always serve you better than waiting for the government to do your thinking for you.
 
lxskllr said:
To be clear, I'm against taxation. Regulation should be limited to policing fraudulent claims. 18 is probably an acceptable age limit.
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I don't think you can buy anywhere around here for under 18, I have seen them card. The sellers know it's going to be regulated and are already adhering to it. I'm sure some aren't. It's not needed, there's plenty of market in the 18+ crowd.
 
Phoenix86 said:
Don't forget the hitting a 3.3v coil at 5v. Lots of devices do strange shit when you supply a bunch of extra volts. The study noted 0 strange shit at normal voltages.
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To be fair, I do believe the 100 seconds was a hypothetical comment from someone featured in the article. The actual study, I do believe, used 4 or 5 second puffs, but they did it at extreme voltage and didn't allow the wicks to resaturate. This kind of result was likely engineered and fully expected by the authors of the article, as was the public response to the misleading findings. The scientist who conducted the study has since backpedalled after being confronted.
 
moonbogg said:
To be fair, I do believe the 100 seconds was a hypothetical comment from someone featured in the article. The actual study, I do believe, used 4 or 5 second puffs, but they did it at extreme voltage and didn't allow the wicks to resaturate. This kind of result was likely engineered and fully expected by the authors of the article, as was the public response to the misleading findings. The scientist who conducted the study has since backpedalled after being confronted.
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Yeah, but just look at what the damage was done. With that one "study" that's only been out a few weeks you have someone like lxskllr completely forming a negative opinion on e-cigs in general (I'm guessing he has some prior issues with them as well), stating that they produce a pretty toxic byproduct (which lends credit to banning them in public places). Also he suddenly forgets some basic electric principles.

I mean, I bet he knows ohms law, but he somehow assumed higher voltage devices use the same resistance coils to get "big clouds". It's not simply cranking up the voltage on the device...

I bet he also understands the difference between a physical and chemical change and how a phase change cannot produce a new chemical.

But he threw all that knowledge out just to grab the first "study" that shows they are bad and proudly shove it down out throats.

While doing snus/snuff for himself.

Actually, now that I think about it, it's kind of fucked up.
 
Yea, I have always talked crap about vaping, now, I dont smoke the pipe any more, just vaping, maybe in the summer I might smoke a good cigar every now and again, we shall see .. but ... Im through with most tobacco based nicontine.
 
Phoenix86 said:
Yeah, but just look at what the damage was done...
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That's why it was done and I'm not just saying that because I like to vape. The truth is powerful people want e-cigs to die. They knew that this study would lead to a bad looking headline and that almost all Americans are headline believers. They read the headline, trust that the scientists did their job honestly, and they then believe the headline and take it as truth. They never read the article.
I have spoken with some people about this article and they admitted to me personally that they did not read the article beyond the headline. The authors knew this would happen and when it comes to banning things, public opinion is critical since they don't have facts that show e-cigs are dangerous. They must rely on public opinion to support their desire to ban or regulate the products.
 
Phoenix86 said:
Yeah, but just look at what the damage was done. With that one "study" that's only been out a few weeks you have someone like lxskllr completely forming a negative opinion on e-cigs in general (I'm guessing he has some prior issues with them as well), stating that they produce a pretty toxic byproduct (which lends credit to banning them in public places). Also he suddenly forgets some basic electric principles.

I mean, I bet he knows ohms law, but he somehow assumed higher voltage devices use the same resistance coils to get "big clouds". It's not simply cranking up the voltage on the device...

I bet he also understands the difference between a physical and chemical change and how a phase change cannot produce a new chemical.

But he threw all that knowledge out just to grab the first "study" that shows they are bad and proudly shove it down out throats.

While doing snus/snuff for himself.

Actually, now that I think about it, it's kind of fucked up.
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You don't have to be a wise and beautiful woman about it. Really. What I'm saying is you're being wise and beautiful woman. You're taking a couple minor data points and building a full theory of what I'm about. From the bit you've written, I can tell you don't have a fuckin' clue regarding my thoughts.

I already stated I'm not interested in cigs. That means the fucks I give are about as close to zero as you can get without actually being zero. I even said why, but you didn't comprehend it(fuckin' surprise!)

I posted a study from the orignal source, and not some shrieking MSM fluff piece. Since the fucks I give regarding ecigs is about zero, I wasn't aware of the flaws. They were pointed out, so you can now place appropriate value on the link I provided.

Once again, you'll get farther in life when you aren't a wise and beautiful woman. Try it sometime...
 
You know, if he happens to actually be a woman, you'll get banned for saying wise and beautiful woman.

But luckily, he's not.

Yet I still can't call white people the n-word.

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lxskllr said:
You don't have to be a wise and beautiful woman about it. Really. What I'm saying is you're being wise and beautiful woman. You're taking a couple minor data points and building a full theory of what I'm about. From the bit you've written, I can tell you don't have a fuckin' clue regarding my thoughts.

I already stated I'm not interested in cigs. That means the fucks I give are about as close to zero as you can get without actually being zero. I even said why, but you didn't comprehend it(fuckin' surprise!)

I posted a study from the orignal source, and not some shrieking MSM fluff piece. Since the fucks I give regarding ecigs is about zero, I wasn't aware of the flaws. They were pointed out, so you can now place appropriate value on the link I provided.

Once again, you'll get farther in life when you aren't a wise and beautiful woman. Try it sometime...
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Did you even read the article, where it says in the link they cranked up the voltage by about 50%? Do you know what happens to pretty much every device in existence if you do that?

You posted the FUD, I actually read the article. I called you out on it, and that makes me the wise and beautiful woman? Seriously?

If I'm wrong about the way you think, I assumed too much, my fault. I was harsh about it, but you earned those stripes.
 
Phoenix86 said:
Did you even read the article, where it says in the link they cranked up the voltage by about 50%? Do you know what happens to pretty much every device in existence if you do that?
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Yea, I read it. Since I don't give a fuck about ecigs, voltage means nothing to me. Theirs apparently didn't go up in flames, and they didn't indicate device failure, so I'm guessing nothing?
 
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