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Austrian Doctors confirm that Ukrainian Presidential candidate Yushchenko Poisoned!

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Aegeon

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Who poisoned Yushchenko?

From Jeremy Page in Kiev
Doctors at the Austrian clinic that treated Ukraine?s opposition leader confirm there was a plot to kill him

MEDICAL experts have confirmed that Viktor Yushchenko, Ukraine?s opposition leader, was poisoned in an attempt on his life during election campaigning, the doctor who supervised his treatment at an Austrian clinic said yesterday.

Doctors at Vienna?s exclusive Rudolfinerhaus clinic are within days of identifying the substance that left Mr Yushchenko?s face disfigured with cysts and lesions, Nikolai Korpan told The Times in a telephone interview.

Specialists in Britain, the United States and France had helped to establish that it was a biological agent, a chemical agent or, most likely, a rare poison that struck him down in the run-up to the presidential election, he said. Doctors needed to examine Mr Yushchenko again at the clinic in Vienna to confirm their diagnosis but were in no doubt that the substance was administered deliberately, he said.

?This is no longer a question for discussion,? Dr Korpan said. ?We are now sure that we can confirm which substance caused this illness. He received this substance from other people who had a specific aim.?

Asked if the aim had been to kill him, Dr Korpan said: ?Yes, of course.?

Proof that Mr Yushchenko was deliberately poisoned would be a devastating blow for his rival, the Prime Minister, Viktor Yanukovych, as the two candidates prepare for a repeat of a presidential run-off on December 26...

Mr Yanukovych?s supporters ridiculed the opposition, saying the illness was probably caused by bad sushi, too much cognac or a severe case of herpes. A parliamentary investigation found no evidence of poisoning.

But Dr Korpan said that toxicologists and other experts at laboratories in Britain, the US and France had since examined Mr Yushchenko?s blood samples and medical records. ?We will reveal the results in the near future and confirm the cause of this mysterious illness,? he said. ?We need to check him again here in Vienna. If we received him today, we could finish the whole investigation in two or three days.?
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/a...e/0,,3-1393172,00.html
 
So they can't say for sure if it was chemical, biological, or a rare poison, but they can say he was poisoned? Doesn't make sense. If they can't even say whether it is a chemical, bacteria or a virus, how can they say how it was acquired?
 
Originally posted by: SuperTool
So they can't say for sure if it was chemical, biological, or a rare poison, but they can say he was poisoned? Doesn't make sense. If they can't even say whether it is a chemical, bacteria or a virus, how can they say how it was acquired?
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They also said "laboratories in Britain, the US and France had since examined Mr Yushchenko?s blood samples and medical records." so the press should be able to check with the laboratories, especially those that tested blood samples, to make sure their testing matched with what the Austrian doctors are saying. If this was Yushchenko?s personal Ukrainian doctor saying this I would be skeptical, but I take this accusation extremely seriously.
 
Originally posted by: SuperTool
If the Russians wanted him dead, he would be dead.
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Its certainly possible that the part about the poison/biological agent being designed to kill him was wrong. However Russia could have deliberately picked something that would disfigure Yushchenko and make him ill in order to try to ensure he didn't win the election.
 
Hrm...They're being quite vague when it comes to the details there...But if he dies, it wouldn't surprise me if it was an assassination. Still, this could all just be a ploy by him to gain momentum...Who knows. Would be best to wait untill the final results are in.
 
Originally posted by: Aegeon
Originally posted by: SuperTool
So they can't say for sure if it was chemical, biological, or a rare poison, but they can say he was poisoned? Doesn't make sense. If they can't even say whether it is a chemical, bacteria or a virus, how can they say how it was acquired?
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They also said "laboratories in Britain, the US and France had since examined Mr Yushchenko?s blood samples and medical records." so the press should be able to check with the laboratories, especially those that tested blood samples, to make sure their testing matched with what the Austrian doctors are saying. If this was Yushchenko?s personal Ukrainian doctor saying this I would be skeptical, but I take this accusation extremely seriously.
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But what are they saying? How can you say something is natural disease or an intentional poisoning, when you don't even know if it's biological, chemical or both. Shouldn't you find out what it is before you make a determination of how it was aquired? It's kinda like saying, this guy was either shot, ran over by a car, or fell off a cliff, but it was not an accident.
 
Originally posted by: Aegeon
Originally posted by: SuperTool
If the Russians wanted him dead, he would be dead.
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Its certainly possible that the part about the poison/biological agent being designed to kill him was wrong. However Russia could have deliberately picked something that would disfigure Yushchenko and make him ill in order to try to ensure he didn't win the election.
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Are you saying the Russians hit him with an ugly stick?
 
Originally posted by: SuperTool
But what are they saying? How can you say something is natural disease or an intentional poisoning, when you don't even know if it's biological, chemical or both. Shouldn't you find out what it is before you make a determination of how it was aquired? It's kinda like saying, this guy was either shot, ran over by a car, or fell off a cliff, but it was not an accident.
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I suppose its possible that they have confirmed from the testing so far that what afflicted Yushchenko could not have been a result of natural illness or regular food poisoning, although its somewhat suprising that they could completely rule out him catching an exotic new disease.

The one explanation which would seem to work would be they have narrowed it down to a few specific poisons or one biological agent which could produce the symptoms, and they need to test Yushchenko again for specific signs to be sure of their diagnosis.
 
Originally posted by: Aegeon
Originally posted by: SuperTool
But what are they saying? How can you say something is natural disease or an intentional poisoning, when you don't even know if it's biological, chemical or both. Shouldn't you find out what it is before you make a determination of how it was aquired? It's kinda like saying, this guy was either shot, ran over by a car, or fell off a cliff, but it was not an accident.
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I suppose its possible that they have confirmed from the testing so far that what afflicted Yushchenko could not have been a result of natural illness or regular food poisoning, although its somewhat suprising that they could completely rule out him catching an exotic new disease.

The one explanation which would seem to work would be they have narrowed it down to a few specific poisons or one biological agent which could produce the symptoms, and they need to test Yushchenko again for specific signs to be sure of their diagnosis.
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Or they have put the buggy before the horse, and reached a conclusion before they can find evidence to justify it.
 
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Are you saying the Russians hit him with an ugly stick?
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Someone clearly did! Take a look at the before and after pictures which are within months of each other. I actually found it pretty increadible in the first place that this could be natural.
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media...3895_composite_203.jpg

The USSR did alot of research with chemical and biological weaponry, and definately employed it at least a few instances for KGB operations. Its not that implausible that they found a chemical or biological agent that could cause this sort of effect.
 
Originally posted by: Aegeon
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Are you saying the Russians hit him with an ugly stick?
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Someone clearly did! Take a look at the before and after pictures which are within months of each other. I actually found it pretty increadible in the first place that this could be natural.
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media...3895_composite_203.jpg

The USSR did alot of research with chemical and biological weaponry, and definately employed it at least a few instances for KGB operations. Its not that implausible that they found a chemical or biological agent that could cause this sort of effect.
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That picture just makes him look like a typical overweight and heavy vodka drinking Ruski 😉

Here is a better pic
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/24/18550/237
 
actually him being posioned is the most likely explination, all the others are pretty far fetched, but we wont know for sure untill they finish up their research
 
i think the most logical explanation is that he was abducted by aliens, experimented on (from the picture it looks like they injected him with alien hormones), and released back to earth
 
or the russians kidnapped him and replaced him with a spy that has gone through extensive plastic surgery, cheap surgery though 😛
 
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: dahunan
It is a true miracle that he is still alive and a possible sign that some being truly wants Russian FREEDOM AND REFORMATION ..

The Russians are well known for poisoning people whom they feel should be gotten rid of
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2636459.stm
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If the Russians wanted him dead, he would be dead.
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That's like saying that if the US wanted Castro dead, he would be dead. We tried a couple of times to off Fidel, and failed. Assassination plots are not always successful.
 
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