Aurora, IL town keeping $190k cash confiscated during traffic stop with no tickets

TechBoyJK

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wow. Crazy if true.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-met-aurora-money-1209-20101208,0,6908706.story

Aurora not returning money it seized, despite a court order
2 brothers lost $190,000 — which has now been taken by federal officials
By Clifford Ward, Special to the Tribune
9:39 PM CST, December 8, 2010

The government is attempting to keep a little more than $190,000 it seized from two brothers after one of them was pulled over in a traffic stop that didn't even result in a traffic ticket.

Jesus Martinez, 27, had $190,040 in his possession when his pickup truck was stopped by an Aurora police officer about 8:30 p.m. Oct. 18 near Indian Trail and Timberlake roads.

The police officer confiscated the cash, and the city has informed Martinez and his brother, Jose, 34, that Aurora will seek to keep it through civil forfeiture, a procedure that allows police agencies to seize property where the legal standard is lower than proof needed in a criminal forfeiture.

The brothers are home remodelers. Neither has been charged with a crime in this case, and neither has a criminal record, according to Kane County court records.

"I've never seen anything like this in 30 years of practice," said Aurora attorney Patrick Kinnally, who is representing the brothers.

A month after the stop, Kinnally filed a complaint arguing that Aurora had no right to keep the money. Eleven days after that, Kinnally and lawyers representing Aurora appeared before Kane County Circuit Judge Michael Colwell.

"Their lawyers basically said the city was going to file for forfeiture," Kinnally said. "The judge asked on what basis. The lawyer said, 'We don't know,' and the judge said: 'This is America. Give it back.'"

The judge ordered the city to return the $190,040, along with a month's interest and costs. But Kinnally said that when he brought the order to Aurora, the city refused to turn over the cash, saying it planned to appeal the judge's order.

Aurora argued that the judge had overstepped his authority, but the 2nd District Appellate Court in Elgin rejected the appeal on Monday on technical grounds.

Aurora's legal department has not responded to requests for information. And it now appears that the city no longer has the cash.

Jesus Martinez received a certified letter last weekend from U.S. Customs and Border Protection. Dated Dec. 2, the letter states the Department of Homeland Security/Immigrations and Customs Enforcement seized the money from Aurora, and that the cash is subject to forfeiture under U.S. codes dealing with drug transactions.

Geneva attorney Kathleen Colton, who initially was approached by the Martinez family, said the brothers are "absolutely not involved in drugs or drug dealing."

Colton did defend another Martinez brother and a cousin on 2002 drug charges. The men were convicted, but an appeals court later overturned the convictions. The charges against them were dropped, though both men were deported because they were not in the U.S. legally.

According to the complaint filed by their lawyer, Jesus Martinez and his passenger cooperated with the Aurora officer who stopped them. Martinez consented to be personally searched, and he allowed police to search his pickup. A canine unit was called in to assist.

The officer found the sack of cash and asked Martinez about it; he said it was the family's savings. Colton said Jesus Martinez had just picked up cash his brother had collected from other family members and was on his way to his father's to give him the money so his father could pay off his mortgage and retire to Mexico.

The matter is due back in Kane County court Thursday morning.
 

BeauJangles

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Definitely strange to carry that much money, but the government has no right to keep it if it can't prove there was any inkling of illegal activity.
 

Elias824

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This is insane, how can a town just say no were not giving it back after a court order?
 
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The statement "This is America. Give it back." speaks volumes about a twisted mentality that's becoming more and more prevalent in our society.
 

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Should there be no punishment to the city official that refused the court order? The city should also pay every cent of lawyer fees paid to get the money back, especially after the initial court order.

Sounds like a case of 'assumed guilt by association' on the part of the police/city.
 

Schadenfroh

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This is insane, how can a town just say no were not giving it back after a court order?

Maybe they already spent it?

I do not see what the problem is, the government took the rich man's money. Spread the wealth around a little.
 

Brovane

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This is why asset seizure laws need to be re-done. It should be that you need a criminal convinction to seize assets.
 

dainthomas

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Should there be no punishment to the city official that refused the court order? The city should also pay every cent of lawyer fees paid to get the money back, especially after the initial court order.

Sounds like a case of 'assumed guilt by association' on the part of the police/city.

Sounds like the city was ticked off that the judge told them to give it back, so they had DHS "seize" it from them (good luck getting it now). Kind of like a five year old breaking something and saying "If I can't have it, then you can't either!"

Stay classy, Aurora.
 

Darwin333

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This is why asset seizure laws need to be re-done. It should be that you need a criminal convinction to seize assets.

It needs to be redone more than that. The police should not have a huge financial interest in "busting" you, it just isn't a good idea. Wanna know why we have so many non-violent offenders in jail, clogging up our courts, etc? Its because they can take your shit. Isn't it odd that before they could do that the police really didn't care that much about dumbass stoners who weren't hurting anyone? Now they send the swat team.

We are literally at the point that the cops are stealing your stuff from you and they don't even bother making up some bullshit to charge you with. I would find it very difficult to not go completely postal if I was that guy.
 

piasabird

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No one in their right mind carries that much cash. That is why they make debit cards.

Maybe the police should have to pay taxes on that income!

Charge the police chief with grand theft and demand interest. Seize a police station and make the cops work out of their houses. Fair is fair.
 
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BurnItDwn

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This is fvcked up on so many levels.
Aurora is a shithole because of all the corruption there, and it needs completely new local government. The crooked cops need to die.
Also, learn to use a fvcking bank. Don't carry 190K cash around. It pretty much never benefits you, and since we live in a corrupted society.... it can cost you
 

Linflas

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Sounds like the city was ticked off that the judge told them to give it back, so they had DHS "seize" it from them (good luck getting it now). Kind of like a five year old breaking something and saying "If I can't have it, then you can't either!"

Stay classy, Aurora.

Ironically if the Feds do have it the brothers may have a better chance of getting it back due to the Hyde bill. The Feds will be on a 50 day timeclock to provide evidence of criminal activity to justify the seizure.
 

tgferg67

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Ahh, the civil forfeiture laws - all they have to have is a "hunch"(preponderance of evidence) and they take your stuff. Everbody should be concerned about this.
 

Zebo

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This is scary for those that hedge our bets against total meltdown with gold or silver in safe. Which is same as cash. Will they take that? Millions of Americans have gold and silver.

Millions have cash laying around too. Govt doesn't need to know all your transaction business whether receipts or payments. Small business owners like these guys take CASH all the time on way to bank. Will they take that form all or just because mexican?
 
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umbrella39

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Illinois.. LOL.. It was probably a bribe for a local democrat official anyway. ;)

Grow up. Surprised you stopped at politicizing this when you could have asked about their citizenship. I mean come on, Jesus had his money taken away? You're slipping. Wink all you want, no one is swayed by your flirting. :D

Not returning it after a court order? Hope the folks pulling the strings in Aurora get a firm smack down.
 
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