August 8, 2018 Trump's legal team rejects another Mueller request for an interview

[Moonbeam]

To be fair, the President is clearly divorced from the truth and any answer he gives is easily a 50/50 chance of perjury. More so on issues he is emotionally attached to.

A criminal divorced from the truth in my opinion is just a lying criminal. Crime is a pathology including the crime of lying. We can't have somebody with Tourette's Syndrome leading a hunting party.

 

[fskimospy]

According to Axios Trump’s lawyers want to rule out any questions about why Trump fired Comey and what Trump said to Comey about Michael Flynn.

https://www.axios.com/rudy-giuliani-donald-trump-robert-mueller-investigation-c99e726f-c889-421e-a694-72206a1618b9.html

Translation: they know Trump is guilty as hell.

Republicans, you currently have a president that is actively and obviously attempting to undermine the rule of law and conceal obviously criminal acts. If not this, what exactly does it take for you to put country before party?

 

[Moonbeam]

According to Axios Trump’s lawyers want to rule out any questions about why Trump fired Comey and what Trump said to Comey about Michael Flynn.

https://www.axios.com/rudy-giuliani-donald-trump-robert-mueller-investigation-c99e726f-c889-421e-a694-72206a1618b9.html

Translation: they know Trump is guilty as hell.

Republicans, you currently have a president that is actively and obviously attempting to undermine the rule of law and conceal obviously criminal acts. If not this, what exactly does it take for you to put country before party?

A President that wasn't put there by the will of God.

 

[Jaskalas]

According to Axios Trump’s lawyers want to rule out any questions about why Trump fired Comey and what Trump said to Comey about Michael Flynn.

https://www.axios.com/rudy-giuliani-donald-trump-robert-mueller-investigation-c99e726f-c889-421e-a694-72206a1618b9.html

Translation: they know Trump is guilty as hell.

Republicans, you currently have a president that is actively and obviously attempting to undermine the rule of law and conceal obviously criminal acts. If not this, what exactly does it take for you to put country before party?

fskimospy, those who identify with Trump have been corrupted by their own Egos. Its job is to constantly make excuses to make one's ID feel better. To live with one self, no matter the departure from reasoning or logic. One's ID defines how far into madness the Ego must take them, depending on the subject of that ID. Given that it is Trump who became head of the Republican Party - that is an incredible boon to mental illness in this country.

Yes, they should have been revolted by him - but Trump is a populist and he sang the right tunes. He successfully sold his ID to them, and now their minds are lost unto madness. Reasoning with them is difficult, if not impossible, due to the mental barriers that now exist. The more you push Trump the more you effectively push them. It's not merely Trump's honor or ID at stake in these proceeding, the voters feel it is theirs as well. Thanks to the sunk costs model they go all in on defending "themselves" from outside attack.

This is beside right and wrong or rule of law. It's gut feelings. It's Pavlovian response. You push Trump them, they push back.

 

[fskimospy]

fskimospy, those who identify with Trump have been corrupted by their own Egos. Its job is to constantly make excuses to make one's ID feel better. To live with one self, no matter the departure from reasoning or logic. One's ID defines how far into madness the Ego must take them, depending on the subject of that ID. Given that it is Trump who became head of the Republican Party - that is an incredible boon to mental illness in this country.

Yes, they should have been revolted by him - but Trump is a populist and he sang the right tunes. He successfully sold his ID to them, and now their minds are lost unto madness. Reasoning with them is difficult, if not impossible, due to the mental barriers that now exist. The more you push Trump the more you effectively push them. It's not merely Trump's honor or ID at stake in these proceeding, the voters feel it is theirs as well. Thanks to the sunk costs model they go all in on defending "themselves" from outside attack.

This is beside right and wrong or rule of law. It's gut feelings. It's Pavlovian response. You push Trump them, they push back.

If they are truly that irrational and unreachable then the only answer is to ignore them and go full bore on bringing Trump to justice regardless of the consequences.

 

[zinfamous]

What is a perjury trap? Is that where they ask you a question they know the truthful answer to and you lie to them with your answer. Looks like a perjury trap is where somebody asks you under oath to tell the truth and you lie in your say something in your answer that can be proven to be a lie. Your mind has been corrupted.

It's a good question. Conservatives love to invent all sorts of fake words and phrases to remove the "sting" from their inherent meaning, or craft something unnecessary that is inherently meaningless and/or false. Like "reverse racism." "Perjury Trap." "Compassionate Conservatism." "Non-racist Republican." etc etc.

 

[Jaskalas]

If they are truly that irrational and unreachable then the only answer is to ignore them and go full bore on bringing Trump to justice regardless of the consequences.

It'd help if right wing media wasn't pushing deep state conspiracies. But as far as they are concerned the entirety of the FBI and DOJ can burn for their "partisan" effort to "take down" Trump. They want Trump to fire the "traitor" Sessions and take command of the DOJ. Recess appointment while Congress is on break, whatever it takes.

 

[Jhhnn]

Play it through, guys. Let's say Trump refuses subpoena. Now what? The only remedy would be impeachment & removal from office. That would require the votes of 18 GOP Senators who likely won't do it on the basis of that refusal alone. To say otherwise would be fantasy.

They'd be right, too, because we all have the right to remain silent. It's not something that can be held against a person in a court of law nor would it be in an impeachment proceeding.

It would be a serious blunder for Mueller to proceed in such a fashion & I'm confident he realizes it. When & if he takes a shot at Trump he can't miss.

Bringing the Nixon tapes into it is a red herring of sorts. The tapes were a thing, an object, one that actually belonged to the People. That can't be said about anybody's testimony.

 

[fskimospy]

Play it through, guys. Let's say Trump refuses subpoena. Now what? The only remedy would be impeachment & removal from office. That would require the votes of 18 GOP Senators who likely won't do it on the basis of that refusal alone. To say otherwise would be fantasy.

They'd be right, too, because we all have the right to remain silent. It's not something that can be held against a person in a court of law nor would it be in an impeachment proceeding.

It would be a serious blunder for Mueller to proceed in such a fashion & I'm confident he realizes it. When & if he takes a shot at Trump he can't miss.

Bringing the Nixon tapes into it is a red herring of sorts. The tapes were a thing, an object, one that actually belonged to the People. That can't be said about anybody's testimony.

That's not how any of this works. US v. Nixon did not rely on the fact that the tapes were a physical thing. The ruling stated that the president could not withhold relevant evidence in a criminal proceeding via executive privilege. That holds true for a deposition the same as a tape. Now he could refuse to answer questions in the deposition based on 5th amendment grounds, but he can't refuse on the grounds that he is the president. So no, his right to remain silent is irrelevant here because that's not what is being claimed. If he wants to refuse to answer questions because he will incriminate himself... bring it on, haha.

Mueller would be very smart to subpoena Trump and I think we all know he will. When Trump refuses the subpoena then it goes (eventually) to the Supreme Court. If he wants to be found in contempt of court that's fine, it just adds fuel to the fire of his impeachment.