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Audiophile DVD Player by Onkyo 1499 reg 1999

wow the only way i would buy that thing is if it had wheels on it and could take me to and from work... but i'm sure someone out there would say it's worth the money
 
My LG cost $180 and does everything that one does without modification, plus MPEG4 playback and various other features this $1500 monster is lacking. I don't care much for its 96khz decoding and bs video filtering, because HDMI is a fixed standard, and the upconversion only works one way; it works, or it doesn't. There is no deviation. It's a simple digital stream of the disc filtered with a industry-wide supported 'program' so all players produce the same output.

There is nothing this player can do to your DVD's to make them magically appear or sound better. DVD/MPEG2 has already hit its limitation with the HDMI+upconversion standard, which can be achieved in players STARTING at $130, not the price of a good used car 😉
 
Originally posted by: Samus
My LG cost $180 and does everything that one does without modification, plus MPEG4 playback and various other features this $1500 monster is lacking. I don't care much for its 96khz decoding and bs video filtering, because HDMI is a fixed standard, and the upconversion only works one way; it works, or it doesn't. There is no deviation. It's a simple digital stream of the disc filtered with a industry-wide supported 'program' so all players produce the same output.

There is nothing this player can do to your DVD's to make them magically appear or sound better. DVD/MPEG2 has already hit its limitation with the HDMI+upconversion standard, which can be achieved in players STARTING at $130, not the price of a good used car 😉
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Yeah HDMI will basically kill the high end DVD player market as more and more people get HDMI on their displays. If you want good audio, it's better to just get a good audio player and stick with a basic video player for video.

As the for DVD standard, I feel that the creating forum were real idiots. They had to do only one thing to ensure a better longevity for their format - insist on accurate progressive scan flags in all DVDs as part of the standard. It would have effectively been a 480p format instead of the all the compromised de-interlacing that happens at the player or TV.
 
Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
There's more to DVD players than just playing the disc.

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You'd have to have an amazing setup to justify a $1500 DVD player though.
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That was in 2000 though, and HDMI changes all that. Still you a player with a good power supply and good construction if you can find one for a reasonable price. I still have my Sony DVP-S7000 (very favorably reviewed on the hometheaterhifi site when it came out) and I think for a analog component out to a TV very players can match it for sheer picture quality. I don't even know too much about video to know why this is, but I compared it to a few other players and this thing is amazing in comparison. I'm sure the high-end $3000 Denons and things have surpassed it but it still remains among the best.
 
Originally posted by: sxr7171
Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
There's more to DVD players than just playing the disc.

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Link #2

You'd have to have an amazing setup to justify a $1500 DVD player though.
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That was in 2000 though, and HDMI changes all that. Still you a player with a good power supply and good construction if you can find one for a reasonable price. I still have my Sony DVP-S7000 (very favorably reviewed on the hometheaterhifi site when it came out) and I think for a analog component out to a TV very players can match it for sheer picture quality. I don't even know too much about video to know why this is, but I compared it to a few other players and this thing is amazing in comparison. I'm sure the high-end $3000 Denons and things have surpassed it but it still remains among the best.
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I'm not saying these are the top models at the moment, I'm just saying that think that a $200 DVD player does everything a $1500 player does just as well are wrong.

I have a POS apex DVD player right now and it doesn't even play a disc unless you open the tray, turn it off, and then turn it on and let it close the tray on its own. :laugh:

I don't have the kind of system where it would be worth it to buy anything better than en entry level DVD player, but I'm saying that if you have a $50,000 sound system, it might be worth it to invest in a reference level DVD player.
 
Originally posted by: Samus
My LG cost $180 and does everything that one does without modification, plus MPEG4 playback and various other features this $1500 monster is lacking. I don't care much for its 96khz decoding and bs video filtering, because HDMI is a fixed standard, and the upconversion only works one way; it works, or it doesn't. There is no deviation. It's a simple digital stream of the disc filtered with a industry-wide supported 'program' so all players produce the same output.

There is nothing this player can do to your DVD's to make them magically appear or sound better. DVD/MPEG2 has already hit its limitation with the HDMI+upconversion standard, which can be achieved in players STARTING at $130, not the price of a good used car 😉
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Which de-interlacer is your LG using? If it has the faroudja, then it has macroblocking. A big no-no when upconverting to a nice big-screen HDTV, where the artifacts will be more pronounced.

Also, does your LG pass blacker than black?

Also, I'm assuming the LG you have is the LGDVB418 which only converts to 1080i, not 720p.

Upconversion works in more then one way. It may work, but that doesn't mean it works well. If you researched higher end DVD players, you'll see then none of them use the faroudja chip, which makes most of them superior in upconverting to the 150-300 dollar, faroudja chip upconverting players.

Head over to avsforums if you want to learn some more about this.
 
Originally posted by: ND40oz
Originally posted by: Samus
My LG cost $180 and does everything that one does without modification, plus MPEG4 playback and various other features this $1500 monster is lacking. I don't care much for its 96khz decoding and bs video filtering, because HDMI is a fixed standard, and the upconversion only works one way; it works, or it doesn't. There is no deviation. It's a simple digital stream of the disc filtered with a industry-wide supported 'program' so all players produce the same output.

There is nothing this player can do to your DVD's to make them magically appear or sound better. DVD/MPEG2 has already hit its limitation with the HDMI+upconversion standard, which can be achieved in players STARTING at $130, not the price of a good used car 😉
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Which de-interlacer is your LG using? If it has the faroudja, then it has macroblocking. A big no-no when upconverting to a nice big-screen HDTV, where the artifacts will be more pronounced.

Also, does your LG pass blacker than black?

Also, I'm assuming the LG you have is the LGDVB418 which only converts to 1080i, not 720p.

Upconversion works in more then one way. It may work, but that doesn't mean it works well. If you researched higher end DVD players, you'll see then none of them use the faroudja chip, which makes most of them superior in upconverting to the 150-300 dollar, faroudja chip upconverting players.

Head over to avsforums if you want to learn some more about this.
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You so positive the 418 doesn't do 720p? We have them at work, and it has the option for 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i.
 
riiiiiiiiiiight...but I won't get into that.

Nice player, BTW, I couldn't quite make the stretch from the Denon DVD-3910 though, this price is pretty killer if you're looking in that range. me jealous.
 
The DACs on this are likely to blow the absolute hell out of the 300 and lower range players (along with most receivers).

As for the HTPC recommendations, they certainly can produce the best picture quality. But it requires a large amount of work to set up a quiet, awesome performing HTPC with a decent interface (yes, WMCE is an option, but it still requires a fair bit of tweaking compared to a standalone component). For basic playback of discs, a standalone player still cannot be beat for the sheer convenience factor.

Certainly a cool toy for those with the dough!
 
Can't justify upgrading from my Denon DVD-3800 till Blue Ray Comes out.

BTW i think there are better dvd players available for a cheaper price. Denon 3910, Panny S97

 
Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Originally posted by: sxr7171
Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
There's more to DVD players than just playing the disc.

Link #1

Link #2

You'd have to have an amazing setup to justify a $1500 DVD player though.
Click to expand...



That was in 2000 though, and HDMI changes all that. Still you a player with a good power supply and good construction if you can find one for a reasonable price. I still have my Sony DVP-S7000 (very favorably reviewed on the hometheaterhifi site when it came out) and I think for a analog component out to a TV very players can match it for sheer picture quality. I don't even know too much about video to know why this is, but I compared it to a few other players and this thing is amazing in comparison. I'm sure the high-end $3000 Denons and things have surpassed it but it still remains among the best.
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I'm not saying these are the top models at the moment, I'm just saying that think that a $200 DVD player does everything a $1500 player does just as well are wrong.

I have a POS apex DVD player right now and it doesn't even play a disc unless you open the tray, turn it off, and then turn it on and let it close the tray on its own. :laugh:

I don't have the kind of system where it would be worth it to buy anything better than en entry level DVD player, but I'm saying that if you have a $50,000 sound system, it might be worth it to invest in a reference level DVD player.
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Remember audiophiles are not always videophiles. In fact the type of audiophile who is really into audio and carefully selects his audio equipment (as opposed to just running into the store and grabbing the most expensive Krell - which underperform for their price - or Mark Levinson equipment usually does not care much for video). I spent about 15 times more on my audio setup than I spent on my video setup - and that includes the TV. A $300 - $500 DVD player does a pretty good job (especially if bought used - maybe a $1500 player from a year ago now sold for $500).

I would never even let my audio setup co-exist with my video setup since the screen in the middle (which happens to glass in my case) does bad things to imaging. If I ever got into video (which slowly I am) I would have seperate audio systems for music and video.

A good number of videophiles use HTPCs for their video source (going source -> software deinterlacer -> software filtering etc. -> DVI or HDMI -> display or projector), and the reason it hasn't caught on more is the difficulty of setup and use. When you go digital from source to display all the little things that cause problems in the analog domain just aren't there anymore. A PC for audio use is pretty much a bad idea for any serious audio listening but can be great for video. So IMHO the audio and video worlds are different in what is acceptable for good quality playback.


EDIT: Looks like ND40oz is right about deinterlacing and scaling issues that the cheaper players have lower quality deinterlacing and scaling. I figured that even the budget players have gotten good at it now if they've been doing it for a while and since DScaler does it pretty well in software with coders who don't have the R&D budgets of some of these big corporations. I guess you always get roughly what you pay for.
 
Originally posted by: thomas997
Originally posted by: Kato
But can it be better than this?

get 100 of this
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lol

btw enough of this upconvert shit, chances are if your TVs any good it will scale to its native res nicely. Scaling twice = worse picture.
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What are you talking about? You don't need to scale twice if your player is outputing the native resolution of your display. A lot of TVs suck at deinterlacing and scaling.
 
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