Audio of the explosives which brought down WTC 7

[Heiwa]

So you issue a challenge for some to build multimillion dollar structures, and then destroy them, and you'll give them 10,000 euro? I wonder why no one has jumped at that? I know the exchange rate is bad, but gee, that's such a good deal.

Try a US$ 10:- structure. Pins, sticks, rubbish!! Then drop the small top part C on the bottom A and produce a NIST/Bazant one-way crush-down = I'll pay you Euro 10 000:-.

Actually for you, you seem bright, clever, intelligent, etc I offer Euro 20 000:- . But you have to come up with the structure before August 27! Then my vaccation is ending and I am back in production.

 

[Sclamoz]

I, Heiwa, just joined this forum/thread. It seems many participants do not understand basics why buildings actually stand up and how to tear them down. I debunked NIST on WTC7 many years ago. NIST suggests a local structural failure due to thermal expansion brought WTC7 down. It is of course not possible.

A summary of my observations you find at http://heiwaco.tripod.com/nist7.htm .

You, Heiwa, are a straight up nutcase.

You have not read properly. As the plane impact is a fake, the jet fuel cannot have been arriving with the plane at 500 mph and stopped inside the tower on floor 82 within 0.3 seconds. So if jet fuel was burning in the tower, it must have been put there some other way, e.g. using the elevators beforehand transporting it up to floor 82. That's how I would have done it if I were a criminal terrorist carrying out 9/11.

Please, grow up. We discuss skepticism, critical thinking, the paranormal and science in a friendly way. I am curious how these gangsters really did it.

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2812102&postcount=369

Thanks for your intelligent contributions to the discussion. As you know by now I find it intriguing to speculate about how 9/11 was actually done and my present stand is CD - at WTC 1,2,7 and pentagon and no planes. Same at Shanksville but no CD ... and no plane, of course. Keep it simple.

You ask details about pentagon. May I ask you why?

Anyway, it would not have been too difficult to install high power explosive devices in the pentagon wall during reconstruction taking place a little earlier before 9/11 and blow it up according some plan. I have no idea about the details. But the effects would be clear.

Unfortunate people close by would be killed by this detonation and an autopisy would have shown that it was not by, e.g. a plane crash. Was anybody killed by a plane part? Same if a proper forensic examination of the impact site had been done. The lack of plane wreckage parts anywhere makes me flabbergasted. But the public swallowed the early explanations. Everything burnt and went up in smoke. Then, parts and corpses were found inside ... but FBI could not verify anything. Etc., etc. And this does not take place in an outer space chocolate cake but just outside FBI HQ (some miles away) on the other side of the river.
But nobody at FBI HQ reacted. Sleeping at the switches, again and again?

And the gangsters are still around. That worries me.

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2812102&postcount=369

No. Deception is the most important part of illusion as any magician will say. Of course there was a big, strange bang up at 82nd floor witnessed by a few on the ground but the 'plane'? The plane has been recorded on many videos that all look a little different and strange. Part of the deception. The explosive material was easiest planted in the tower previously.

In other fora I have suggested the same thing for Pentagon. The explosive material was planted in the wall and E-block of the Pentagon!

As you can see on various videos the WTC2 and Pentagon fireballs/fires are completely different. In Pentagon there is no jetfuel on fire! Just a strange, pyramide fireball of short duration. Difficult to hide jetfuel in a wall and in a Pentagon office? In WTC2 the fuel was probably hidden in an empty office.

As nobody has ever seen planes flying into buildings at 500 mph and knows what it looks like, a witness of such an event is easy to decieve. They may hear noise and notice a big explosion ... and draw their erroneous conclusions.

'Experts' appear to say that the plane always penetrate - disappear - into the building and that there is no wreckage. It also disappears. Magic and paranormal. The main subject of JREF. To be discussed in a friendly way, by the way, for those, not you twinstead, that has forgottet that.

This strange lack of identified wreckage parts is very disturbing. Of course, many believe that identified wreckage parts were actually found but I haven't seen a list of those. Some photos of course but they could as well be part of the deception. It seems national security is in the way for a proper investigation.

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2810500&postcount=345

No, I am not saying anybody is a liar. Liars I will name. I can imagine that some honest people handed in films of the impact. I can also imagine how same amateur films later pop up with a plane pasted in. There are many variations how to deceive people.

The people that allege they saw the plane from ground at WTC2 is another matter. Did they actually see the plane? Maybe they only noticed the explosion? Like most did! And believed it was caused by a plane? Because why then manipulate the live coverage of the incident?

And the collapse of WTC2! As already described, the tower had enormous redundancy and could never have dropped down because 'global collapse ensued' due to some local structure weakening due heat at floors 79-81.
The only persons supporting NIST seem to have a vested interest to do so, e.g. financial. Did you read the link I posted above about how to manipulate an accident investigation? I think same principles are used at 9/11.

http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2862138&postcount=748

http://theswillbucket.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Anders-Bjorkman-Swill.mp3

And that stuff is just the tip of the iceberg. This is someone LunarRay and Kyle consider an expert.

 

[xj0hnx]

Try a US$ 10:- structure. Pins, sticks, rubbish!! Then drop the small top part C on the bottom A and produce a NIST/Bazant one-way crush-down = I'll pay you Euro 10 000:-.

Actually for you, you seem bright, clever, intelligent, etc I offer Euro 20 000:- . But you have to come up with the structure before August 27! Then my vaccation is ending and I am back in production.

That's just stupid. First off there's no way to recreate the factors, due to you'd have to rebuild the structures as they were, and fly planes into them, outside of that what? Scaled down building materials? Maybe legos, or an Erector Set? I watch my son build structures of out blocks all day and drop a single block on top and watch it fall, so send me the cash.

 

[Heiwa]

You say that, and yet of the two skyscrapers ever hit by 767/747 whatever jumbo jets, both collapsed from the top down, you are 0 and 2.

Unless you know of some 100+ story buildings hit by jetliners I am missing, it seems you are on the wrong side of the odds.

Sorry, WTC1+2 were blown apart from top down as I explain at, e.g. http://heiwaco.tripod.com/nist3.htm .

The planes were just for show - Hollywood/American style, you know! We Europeans don't fall for that nonsense. Because - you can fly 100's of planes into tops of skyscrapers and the bottoms will always still stand.

 

[Cogman]

????

You can fly any number of planes into tops of skyscrapers and the skyscrapers will never suddenly collapse from top down.

Tip - you have to fly the plane into the bottom/ground floor of the skyscraper and then you might produce a collapse from bottom up.

Prove me wrong - see link above - and I'll give you Euro 10 000:-.

PS. Patrick Gallagher failed! Like Condoleezza!! To busy skating around playing piano??

Yes yes, you have a challenge that YOU judge, and the challenge is to "prove you wrong" and mysteriously people aren't jumping at the opportunity to take your challenge.

Tell you what. I'll give you $10,000 USD if you can prove that explosives were used to take down WTC 1 and 2. But YOU have to convince me. We'll call this the cogman challenge.

 

[xj0hnx]

Sorry, WTC1+2 were blown apart from top down as I explain at, e.g. http://heiwaco.tripod.com/nist3.htm .

The planes were just for show - Hollywood/American style, you know! We Europeans don't fall for that nonsense. Because - you can fly 100's of planes into tops of skyscrapers and the bottoms will always still stand.

You didn't explain anything, you hypothesized. You haven't shown any proof what so ever of demolitions, yet this thread is rife with proof they weren't used.

 

[Heiwa]

You, Heiwa, are a straight up nutcase.



http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2812102&postcount=369


http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2812102&postcount=369


http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2810500&postcount=345


http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2862138&postcount=748

http://theswillbucket.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Anders-Bjorkman-Swill.mp3

And that stuff is just the tip of the iceberg. This is someone LunarRay and Kyle consider an expert.

LOL. JREF is just nonsense. Pls link to my web pages and point out any errors. Google Heiwaco and start reading!

 

[xj0hnx]

Yes yes, you have a challenge that YOU judge, and the challenge is to "prove you wrong" and mysteriously people aren't jumping at the opportunity to take your challenge.

Tell you what. I'll give you $10,000 USD if you can prove that explosives were used to take down WTC 1 and 2. But YOU have to convince me. We'll call this the cogman challenge.

Hell, I just got some Army back pay, I'll kick in $10,000 too.

All you need to do is produce absolute proof that explosives were used. This isn't even tricky like yours where you'd have to reproduce conditions, and randomness, just bring me a piece of unexploded ordnance, and ignition system, with a verifiable chain of custody leading back to collection from the pre-demolition debris of WTC 1 or 2.

 

[Heiwa]

You didn't explain anything, you hypothesized. You haven't shown any proof what so ever of demolitions, yet this thread is rife with proof they weren't used.

??? I'll pay you Euro 20 000:- to prove me wrong. Get going with your structure. Then drop top C on bottom A using gravity and destroy A. If you can demolish A only by gravity you are winner.

If not, you are a loser. Like today! Let's face it, you are a loser!

 

[xj0hnx]

LOL. JREF is just nonsense. Pls link to my web pages and point out any errors. Google Heiwaco and start reading!

Such nonsense you posted there over 3000 times before getting banned? lol

 

[Cogman]

LOL. JREF is just nonsense. Pls link to my web pages and point out any errors. Google Heiwaco and start reading!

Still believe mass=weight?

 

[xj0hnx]

??? I'll pay you Euro 20 000:- to prove me wrong. Get going with your structure. Then drop top C on bottom A using gravity and destroy A. If you can demolish A only by gravity you are winner.

If not, you are a loser. Like today! Let's face it, you are a loser!

BWAHAHAHA, what? can't produce actual evidence so you resort to insulting me? Is this al981 in disguise?

It's really funny that you think just gravity did the destruction, this is why no one is ever going to take you seriously, besides the whole thing about you not thinking there were planes.

 

[Cogman]

??? I'll pay you Euro 20 000:- to prove me wrong. Get going with your structure. Then drop top C on bottom A using gravity and destroy A. If you can demolish A only by gravity you are winner.

If not, you are a loser. Like today! Let's face it, you are a loser!

Thats not the terms of the xJohnx and cogman challenge. Tell you what, I'll pay you $4,000,000 to prove explosives were used, like today! And if not, you are the loser!

 

[Heiwa]

Yes yes, you have a challenge that YOU judge, and the challenge is to "prove you wrong" and mysteriously people aren't jumping at the opportunity to take your challenge.

Tell you what. I'll give you $10,000 USD if you can prove that explosives were used to take down WTC 1 and 2. But YOU have to convince me. We'll call this the cogman challenge.

Thanks, but WTC1&2 are already destroyed and all forensic evidence destroyed so it is all history. My Challenge is on the other hand today's big news. I look forward to your entry.

 

[Cogman]

Thanks, but WTC1&2 are already destroyed and all forensic evidence destroyed so it is all history. My Challenge is on the other hand today's big news. I look forward to your entry.

There you go, you have no evidence to back up your bat-shit insane claims. That should be proof enough.

 

[Heiwa]

BWAHAHAHA, what? can't produce actual evidence so you resort to insulting me? Is this al981 in disguise?

Insulting you? No I just offer you a reward to prove me wrong. Come on with structure where top C destroys bottom A. Any ideas?

 

[xj0hnx]

Thanks, but WTC1&2 are already destroyed and all forensic evidence destroyed so it is all history. My Challenge is on the other hand today's big news. I look forward to your entry.

What are you talking about? There's warehouse FULL of evidence, TON'S of evidence, and debris can be traced from leaving the site to where it went, that isn't even a good cop out. Your challenge isn't "news", hell it doesn't even pay that good. Seem to me if you were so sure you'd be offering up millions like we are, instead you are playing it safe in case someone actual does take the time to wreck you hypothesis.

 

[Sclamoz]

Try a US$ 10:- structure. Pins, sticks, rubbish!! Then drop the small top part C on the bottom A and produce a NIST/Bazant one-way crush-down = I'll pay you Euro 10 000:-.

Actually for you, you seem bright, clever, intelligent, etc I offer Euro 20 000:- . But you have to come up with the structure before August 27! Then my vaccation is ending and I am back in production.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwFHEoiUZ7o#t=3m20s

Buildings are destroyed this way on a regular basis. This is a french technique how do you not know this?

When can I expect my money?

 

[ElFenix]

Insulting you? No I just offer you a reward to prove me wrong. Come on with structure where top C destroys bottom A. Any ideas?

how is calling someone a loser not insulting?

 

[Cogman]

What are you talking about? There's warehouse FULL of evidence, TON'S of evidence, and debris can be traced from leaving the site to where it went, that isn't even a good cop out. Your challenge isn't "news", hell it doesn't even pay that good. Seem to me if you were so sure you'd be offering up millions like we are, instead you are playing it safe in case someone actual does take the time to wreck you hypothesis.

Nope, what he is doing is putting out a "contest" that he gets to judge and using it as some strange sort of proof that he must be right (Just like timecube dude). That is stupid on every level. There is NOTHING we could present to him to prove to him that he is wrong. It violates every principle of a fair contest.

It is mind-boggling how insane a person must be to think that a contest to prove them wrong, that they judge, can somehow be construed as proof that they are right.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

You, Heiwa, are a straight up nutcase.



http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2812102&postcount=369


http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2812102&postcount=369


http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2810500&postcount=345


http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2862138&postcount=748

http://theswillbucket.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Anders-Bjorkman-Swill.mp3

And that stuff is just the tip of the iceberg. This is someone LunarRay and Kyle consider an expert.

lol. There is not enough water in the entire world to wash off the stupid that spews from those retarded ramblings.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwFHEoiUZ7o#t=3m20s

Buildings are destroyed this way on a regular basis. This is a french technique how do you not know this?

When can I expect my money?

Heiwa, Sclamoz just proved you wrong. You better head to the bank. I imagine he prefers money orders to personal checks.

 

[alkemyst]

You got the honor of being labeled since you don't have the stones to admit your beliefs.

Dude, because I use my brain and cannot say exactly what happened yet. You just jump on the bandwagon, read a few papers you don't have the skillset to understand and go "YIPPEE KI KAY!!!! IT WUZ DA MUZLIMS! 767 MAKE ALL BUILDING FALL DOWN!!!"

both you and TLC have now dodged the molten metal exactly like the NIST did in their report because it's all you know and care to believe.

Now you are jumping on another poster without even taking the time to read what he published...instead some toolbag goes and hunts him down on other forums.

Both you and TLC constantly return fire with things the poster never said, add in assumptions usually to Thermite, and then stroke your own egos about being all knowing in engineering and explosive matters. I believe the facts are with all the time you both can spend here is that neither of you do anything like you say anymore and are resting on laurels of could have been/should have been.

I hate to break it to anyone, but getting banned from any forums <> what you know or not know....I am willing to be a high percentage of bans are know-it-all's that really know their shit but just piss off the forum masses.

There comes a point where a moderator needs to lose a good member to satisfy their masses.

Look at that model chick we used to have (Luvly?), Tygrve (sp?) the actor, and Dezign. There is no doubt they did everything they said they did yet people get so bent out of shape that they have no lives so they jump all over them. They chose to leave for the most part. Dezign is the only one that comes back for more. 🙂

I have come to the conclusion that both you and TLC's sole purpose is to just stir the pot and your schtick is to stick 100% to NIST's stance anyone that says otherwise is now a 'Twruther'.

You have proven to be our straw men. congratulations.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Dude, because I use my brain and cannot say exactly what happened yet. You just jump on the bandwagon, read a few papers you don't have the skillset to understand and go "YIPPEE KI KAY!!!! IT WUZ DA MUZLIMS! 767 MAKE ALL BUILDING FALL DOWN!!!"

Just because you clearly can't understand the papers doesn't mean others can't either. If you actually did use your brain you'd be able to respond with something else besides 'b...b..but MOLTEN METAL!'

both you and TLC have now dodged the molten metal exactly like the NIST did in their report because it's all you know and care to believe.

I've explained the molten metal issue to you. Your refusal to accept that explanation is your problem, not mine. If you want to continue to rely on that straw man, go right ahead. Continue to make a fool of yourself on this issue and display your ignorance for everyone in here.

Now you are jumping on another poster without even taking the time to read what he published...instead some toolbag goes and hunts him down on other forums.

I read his "analysis" on his website and commented on its weaknesses. Did you even bother to do that? I seriously doubt it. All you seem to want to do in this thread is thump your chest.

Both you and TLC constantly return fire with things the poster never said, add in assumptions usually to Thermite, and then stroke your own egos about being all knowing in engineering and explosive matters. I believe the facts are with all the time you both can spend here is that neither of you do anything like you say anymore and are resting on laurels of could have been/should have been.

I don't claim to be all knowing. I sure do know immensely more on this subject than you do on the subject though. You've made that very clear with your complete lack of any scientific input into this thread.

I hate to break it to anyone, but getting banned from any forums <> what you know or not know....I am willing to be a high percentage of bans are know-it-all's that really know their shit but just piss off the forum masses.

There comes a point where a moderator needs to lose a good member to satisfy their masses.

lol. Now you're wallowing in some perceived persecution complex. Sheesh. Emo much?

I have come to the conclusion that both you and TLC's sole purpose is to just stir the pot and your schtick is to stick 100% to NIST's stance anyone that says otherwise is now a 'Twruther'.

You have proven to be our straw men. congratulations.

There is this thing called the scientific method. It allows people to believe in these things called theories with a certain level of confidence without have every single fact in place.

It appears you don't subscribe to the scientific method since you want to pretend that every iota of inquiry must be in a verified before anyone can make a rational determination about anything.

I guess you don't believe in evolution either since there are huge, gaping holes in that theory to this day. I guess the theory of gravity doesn't fit the bill for you either since we only have a general description of that. Hell, you must not even believe in matter since we don't really know what sub-atomic particles are truly composed of.

I do believe in evolution. That's just the way I roll though. It must be because I'm a natural shill for anthropolgists, evolutionary biologists, and the fucking National Science Foundation. Obviously I'm just a part of that whole evolution conspiracy thing.

🙄

 

[William Gaatjes]

Sorry, WTC1+2 were blown apart from top down as I explain at, e.g. http://heiwaco.tripod.com/nist3.htm .

The planes were just for show - Hollywood/American style, you know! We Europeans don't fall for that nonsense. Because - you can fly 100's of planes into tops of skyscrapers and the bottoms will always still stand.

Helloooooo. Do not create any more delusions then you already have.

A lot of Europeans( maybe all) do not agree with you. And i am one of them.



And yes i was born in Bavaria a very very long time ago ! ^_^