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Audio of the explosives which brought down WTC 7

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All of sudden you know something about me? Or what I did in the military? LOL. I hate to break this to you sport, but our job wasn't "knowing a little bit about what we had access to". Our job was being able to show up on sight and be able dismantle, or destroy explosives/explosive devices. We were quite versed in a WIDE array of explosives, and methods.

As far as you story about MRI's, this is what I am talking about, nobody just dropped by a hospital and "walked" anywhere with one. They needed a plan, uniforms, vehicles ...logistics. Same thing with all the conspiracies and where they fall short. The stories sound great, until you have to show HOW something was done, then it's run off to another theory, or try to hide by convoluting the first with mystery men, and non-existent, beyond top secret explosives.

well it was just simple white 'painter's type' suits in the one and had someone just sign a form.

They just walk in and take a lot of things though, endoscopes are a popular one. If you can walk in and out with one of those, placing a bit of explosive or something else nasty isn't that hard.

You must be the man though. You can blow up a ton of stuff, but can't figure out a simple social engineering heist yet feel you are the only one credible in this forum.
 
well it was just simple white 'painter's type' suits in the one and had someone just sign a form.

They just walk in and take a lot of things though, endoscopes are a popular one. If you can walk in and out with one of those, placing a bit of explosive or something else nasty isn't that hard.

You must be the man though. You can blow up a ton of stuff, but can't figure out a simple social engineering heist yet feel you are the only one credible in this forum.

Your missing the point. He knows how much explosives it would take to get the job done, and it is a lot. It would be more then just a simple social engineering problem. Yes, you could sneak a couple of packs of explosives in (the first WTC bombing did just that). But packing in enough explosives to bring down the building, without anyone noticing? That seams highly unlikely. Not only that, but detonating said large amount of explosives, without anyone noticing is just as far fetched.

There is no REASON for the terrorists to hide the fact that they used explosives, what would it accomplish? Heck, why would anyone try and cover it up? Someone smart enough to plan this whole thing ala nutjob theories would be smart enough to know "Hey, we could just blame a bombing on the terrorists!" If they did that, nobody would really question it, why would they?
 
well it was just simple white 'painter's type' suits in the one and had someone just sign a form.

They just walk in and take a lot of things though, endoscopes are a popular one. If you can walk in and out with one of those, placing a bit of explosive or something else nasty isn't that hard.

You must be the man though. You can blow up a ton of stuff, but can't figure out a simple social engineering heist yet feel you are the only one credible in this forum.

Blowing up three buildings and covering it up with some hijacked planes is so far removed from heisting an MRI it isn't even funny, but you keep thinking that some shady G-men "social engineered" their way into stealing planes, and planting tens of thousands of pounds of non-existent explosives into the buildings.

Seriously, can't you even bring SOMETHING relevant, or new to the table? anything?
 
I never said what my opinion was on 9/11. I said none of us will ever know the full story as there has been tons of items surpressed or delayed or simply not covered.

That was my point.
 
Your missing the point. He knows how much explosives it would take to get the job done, and it is a lot. It would be more then just a simple social engineering problem. Yes, you could sneak a couple of packs of explosives in (the first WTC bombing did just that). But packing in enough explosives to bring down the building, without anyone noticing? That seams highly unlikely. Not only that, but detonating said large amount of explosives, without anyone noticing is just as far fetched.

There is no REASON for the terrorists to hide the fact that they used explosives, what would it accomplish? Heck, why would anyone try and cover it up? Someone smart enough to plan this whole thing ala nutjob theories would be smart enough to know "Hey, we could just blame a bombing on the terrorists!" If they did that, nobody would really question it, why would they?

No I didn't miss the point nor do I believe necessarily it's what happened. However, people have no idea the lengths people will go for money and just how much some can offer.

However; if say someone wanted one to believe the jet caused all the damage when it really did not would be the main reason they'd want to hide certain things.

I don't have a set opinion on it....there is simply not enough information available and too much was hidden (and still hidden) from the start.
 
I never said what my opinion was on 9/11. I said none of us will ever know the full story as there has been tons of items surpressed or delayed or simply not covered.

That was my point.

You're a closet twuther too afraid to come out.
It's pathetic.
 
You're a closet twuther too afraid to come out.
It's pathetic.

No, not at all. I am not going to guess at things and hash out others without evidence though.

It's easy to say it was just a group of terrorists that took over four jets and ended up with a successful 75% completed mission though.

Makes it easy to sleep soundly.
 
Anyway...this thread was about WTC7 and I have seen so little in it about it. This is one of the other reasons I don't put much faith in the stories out there as the full deal. Even here with our experts no one is really focused on this obscure detail.

Most don't even know the significance of some of the tenants in WTC7 yet alone even know who they were.

What's the conclusion here for just building 7's demise? Assuming it was a totally natural reaction to just catching fire?
 
Then you are privvy to things that the average joe is not. When you have that and access to freaking engineering drawings and schematics then you have a slight advantage I'd say.

So where did you read up on illegal explosives to become an expert on them and their use? There a wiki on it or did you just contact one of our Generals for their white papers on them?
What illegal explosives are you talking about? The ones that you don't even know what they are or if they even exist in the first place so you proffer pure conjecture on their use?

We are back to UFOs, fairies, and ghosts again. I don't deal in baseless assumptions because there is absolutely no evidence of any such explosives.
 
What illegal explosives are you talking about? The ones that you don't even know what they are or if they even exist in the first place so you proffer pure conjecture on their use?

We are back to UFOs, fairies, and ghosts again. I don't deal in baseless assumptions because there is absolutely no evidence of any such explosives.

That's the thing I don't know and neither do you. Do you feel you can perform LASIK since you wrote all the manuals for it? Can you design a theme park ride from the ground up now likewise? Even though you got technical with many things there were still parts that you had/have no clue about. Yet in the major destruction of three buildings, you feel you know all the answers and nothing has been withheld from you. I just don't get it.

My biggest interest was talk of WTC7 here. That's the one oddity I look at. Ok I can give them just maybe the two jets caused the two main towers to fall, due to a combination of fire and the floors giving out which in turn caused a domino affect that was not there when other aircraft and fires struck.

I just don't get WTC7 nor the lack of interest in investigating it since it had been evactuated and would not have had 'survivors' to worry about. I don't buy they didn't have the resources to spare either.

I just don't think I will find more answers at all here. Seems like everyone is more interested in slapping the next guy with their cock than discuss anything. It's no different in direct talk though. You end up usually with 2-3 people trying to rationally discuss it and then another 10 or so just attacking or like here bringing UFO's and the like into the discussion to discredit.

To me the WTC7 is the most interesting of it all and I was hoping for more focus on that and not the easy way out.
 
Hmm where the fuck was guess work? It's called you know what you need to feed the device and you test for it.
I am sure the million dollars in gear he used probably helped things.
That interesting because my brother was in a top secret level of clearance and had to install various electronics on B2's and other high profile aircraft. They wouldn't even give him a schematic of anything. It was up to him to test and fit.
Unless you just meant he was an ignorant box-swapper who barely knew enough to rack an IFF transponder...
 
My biggest interest was talk of WTC7 here. That's the one oddity I look at. Ok I can give them just maybe the two jets caused the two main towers to fall, due to a combination of fire and the floors giving out which in turn caused a domino affect that was not there when other aircraft and fires struck.

I just don't get WTC7 nor the lack of interest in investigating it since it had been evactuated and would not have had 'survivors' to worry about. I don't buy they didn't have the resources to spare either.

I just don't think I will find more answers at all here. Seems like everyone is more interested in slapping the next guy with their cock than discuss anything. It's no different in direct talk though. You end up usually with 2-3 people trying to rationally discuss it and then another 10 or so just attacking or like here bringing UFO's and the like into the discussion to discredit.

To me the WTC7 is the most interesting of it all and I was hoping for more focus on that and not the easy way out.

WTC 7, whether by proxy of events/evidence, or directly, has been discussed ad nauseum here, and the one key thing that's missing is evidence.
 
That's the thing I don't know and neither do you. Do you feel you can perform LASIK since you wrote all the manuals for it? Can you design a theme park ride from the ground up now likewise? Even though you got technical with many things there were still parts that you had/have no clue about. Yet in the major destruction of three buildings, you feel you know all the answers and nothing has been withheld from you. I just don't get it.
Sure, I could perform LASIK. It's surprisingly easy. The machine does the really difficult work all by itself. As far as designing a theme park ride, what does that have to do with anything? Nothing is being designed here.

Nor do I claim to have all of the answers. In this case nobody does have all of the answers and nobody ever will. The idea is to be informed well enough to make a rational determination and I believe I have enough information and a grasp on the technical aspects to make informed decisions.

My biggest interest was talk of WTC7 here. That's the one oddity I look at. Ok I can give them just maybe the two jets caused the two main towers to fall, due to a combination of fire and the floors giving out which in turn caused a domino affect that was not there when other aircraft and fires struck.

I just don't get WTC7 nor the lack of interest in investigating it since it had been evactuated and would not have had 'survivors' to worry about. I don't buy they didn't have the resources to spare either.

I just don't think I will find more answers at all here. Seems like everyone is more interested in slapping the next guy with their cock than discuss anything. It's no different in direct talk though. You end up usually with 2-3 people trying to rationally discuss it and then another 10 or so just attacking or like here bringing UFO's and the like into the discussion to discredit.

To me the WTC7 is the most interesting of it all and I was hoping for more focus on that and not the easy way out.
One of the key points here is looking at the issues without a pre-existing bias and analyzing the situation with logic. So think about this. If the grand plan was to bring down WTC7 (as well as the towers) with demolitions and hide that fact, why wouldn't they simply crash a plane into WTC7 as well? Instead they relied on a plan that was predicated on planes hitting the Towers in the right place so debris would fall on WTC7 and start fires so they could mask the fact the demolitions would bring it down later and fool everyone in the process?

Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds?
 
lolwut? Nice troll attempt though. I am not adding more to this ignorant banter. Sounds good to the general public though.
It's simple, really. Either he's a technician who has some idea what he's working on and some access to data, or he's a drone who swaps unit A3 in avionics bay 1 when the guy who does know something tells him to...
 
Sure, I could perform LASIK. It's surprisingly easy. The machine does the really difficult work all by itself. As far as designing a theme park ride, what does that have to do with anything? Nothing is being designed here.

It's more of a reverse design which you are claiming to fully grasp.

One of the key points here is looking at the issues without a pre-existing bias and analyzing the situation with logic. So think about this. If the grand plan was to bring down WTC7 (as well as the towers) with demolitions and hide that fact, why wouldn't they simply crash a plane into WTC7 as well? Instead they relied on a plan that was predicated on planes hitting the Towers in the right place so debris would fall on WTC7 and start fires so they could mask the fact the demolitions would bring it down later and fool everyone in the process?

Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds?

Yeah it does, but I never said they orchestrated two jets to bring down the first two towers just to cover up WTC7.

See this is how a person like you tries to win an argument. You immediately insert things that simply weren't even thought yet alone implied.

What's your take on WTC7 then?
 
You have no idea what is going on in that building at that moment. Let me ask you this for you to avoid ...if those are controlled demolitions, why are there only two, and why are they so far apart? How do those play into Kylebisme's theory if the demolitions following the collapse? And is it possible something else is happening at those spots besides demolitions? If those are demolitions, why doesn't the building start collapsing from those points? Your silly picture doesn't even begin to prove anything.

it is hilarious watching xj0hnx, tastes&runslikeachicken, and other liars continuously say they are "open minded" while claiming there are no facts or evidence to support a controlled demolition of the twin towers + wtc 7. it is especially laughable for xj0hnx, who claims to be an explosives expert.

first, let's address the lie he stated in the quoted response above: "why are there only two [squibs]".

no, there were not only two squibs. if you've done any research whatsoever you would have known this. there were plenty of squibs from many different angles for each collapse. just a few that other people have pointed out:

wtcsquibs2v2.jpg

wtcquibs4.jpg

wtcsquibs3.jpg




xj0hnx, who claims to be an explosives expert, then asks "if those are controlled demolitions... why are they [the squibs] so far apart?". seriously? in a controlled demolition, are all the explosives set off simultaneously, in the same area, all the time? of course not. one could rig a building to come down in any way, shape, or form. it is controlled, and the planners decide which set of explosives are detonated, depending on their liking. one could rig a bottom to top controlled demolition, along with a top to bottom controlled demolition. of course, you knew this xj0hnx, because you're "open minded", yet you and others in this thread have been pushing the fact that because the twin towers did not look like a "classic (bottom to top) controlled demolition", the possibility of it being a controlled demolition is out of the question.

so once again, let's go ahead and list out numerous other FACTS that support the case for a controlled demolition (because you, chickens, etc, claimed there are no facts to support a case for controlled demolition, right?) i stated these facts previously, yet nobody has dared to respond. i wonder why 🙂


Fact #1) Large earthquake type rumbles were reported by witnesses the minutes and seconds preceeding the collapse of the twin towers. Earthquake type rumbles also preceed the collapse of buildings in classic controlled demolitions, as explosives are being detonated inside the buildings, correct? By definition of a controlled demolition, explosives can be detonated at any time interval.

Video of an earthquake / rumbling that shakes the tripod of this camera 10+ seconds before the tower's collapse. A chunk of black debris can be clearly seen falling off the right side of the tower at the same time Etienne Sauret's camera is shaken. That was one hell of a rumble to cause buildings to shake many blocks away:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-ah8xoQgmI

Sauret's footage is corroborated by numerous witnesses and this footage from across the water. Notice the explosions / pressure waves caught on audio, and the clouds of dust / smoke rising up as a result of the pre collapse explosions:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46mPiBeB-Go


clouds of dust / smoke pointed out in yellow, several stories high:

wtcdustkickedup1.jpg

wtcdustkickedup2.jpg




well well. now you have a problem, don't you? it is a fact that there were large earthquake rumblings starting at least 10+ seconds before the towers came down. it is also a fact that the rumbles and vibration shook buildings many blocks away, and even reached across the river. the rumbles also shook the ground enough so that dust / smoke rose several stories high right before the tower began collapsing. now the problem: how do you explain away the earthquake rumblings? don't bother pointing seismograph evidence to try and deny the rumblings occurred, it is a known fact the 1993 WTC bombing did not register on seismographs, and too many witnesses mentioned the rumblings. and don't blame the earthquake rumblings on the internal structure of the WTC towers crumbling either... if you do, you'll be admitting that NIST's collapse model is dead wrong and failed to account for lower level columns disintegrating before the collapses of the towers started. you'll then have to explain how and which columns disintegrated 🙂 it looks like you have a major problem here, eh? anyhow, these rumblings are facts that are consistent with and support the case of controlled demolition.





Fact #2) In many demolitions, detonations of explosives are accompanied with flashes of light. Numerous witnesses on 9/11 saw flashes of red + orange colored lights on the lower level of the towers, some even before any visual collapse began from the top impact points.

For instance:

Stephen Gregory -- Assistant Commissioner (F.D.N.Y.)
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110008.PDF

"We both for whatever reason -- again, I don't know how valid this is with everything that was going on at that particular point in time, but for some reason I thought that when I looked in the direction of the Trade Center before it came down, before No. 2 came down, that I saw low-level flashes. In my conversation with Lieutenant Evangelista, never mentioning this to him, he questioned me and asked me if I saw low-level flashes in front of the building, and I agreed with him because I thought -- at that time I didn't know what it was. I mean, it could have been as a result of the building collapsing, things exploding, but I saw a flash flash flash and then it looked like the building came down.
...
[It was at] the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building, how when they blow up a building, when it falls down? That's what I thought I saw.
...
He said did you see anything by the building? And I said what do you mean by see anything? He said did you see flashes? I said, yes, well, I thought it was just me. He said no, I saw them too.
...
I know about the explosion on the upper floors. This was like at eye level. I didn't have to go like this. Because I was looking this way. I'm not going to say it was on the first floor or the second floor, but somewhere in that area I saw to me what appeared to be flashes."

Interview, 10/03/01, New York Times

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Karin Deshore -- Captain (E.M.S.)
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110192.PDF

Somewhere around the middle of the World Trade Center, there was this orange and red flash coming out. Initially it was just one flash. Then this flash just kept popping all the way around the building and that building had started to explode. The popping sound, and with each popping sound it was initially an orange and then a red flash came out of the building and then it would just go all around the building on both sides as far as I could see. These popping sounds and the explosions were getting bigger, going both up and down and then all around the building.

Interview, 11/07/01, New York Times

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The red + orange flashes of lights on the lower levels are not proof of explosives. however, it is a fact that the flashes of lights occurred on the lower levels, and is once again, consistent with and supports the case for controlled demolition.


Fact #3) See squibs at the top of this post. the numerous squibs / ejections of debris are not proof of explosives, but the fact that they occurred and visible tens of stories below any collapse points are again consistent with and supports the case for controlled demolition.




as for why would various types of explosives be used together? is there a rule stating a mix of two or more types of explosives in different parts of buildings cannot be used? no, and it is certainly possible. is that conventional? probably not, but if that is what the evidence suggests happened (and facts #1 through #3 stated above certainly point in that direction), then it must be considered and explored 🙂 if thermite / thermate is shown to be valid, then it is just another part of the equation.

Fact #4) Barry Jennings: on record about numerous large explosions in WTC 7 before any of the towers came down, and reported bodies in the lobby of WTC 7, contradicting official reports. Jennings himself explains:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRaKHq2dfCI


Fact #5) Because WTC 7 looks exactly like a controlled demolition 🙂

One of many experts who agree (and notice his shocked reaction when told it collapsed on the same day):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=877gr6xtQIc




also interesting to note is tastes&runslikeachicken still hasn't addressed my sig, and continues to dodge "because this thread isn't about JFK". Let's see if he has the guts to address the gigantic hole in the government's inability to account for the missing blood and lack of damage to the magic bullet in the JFK thread here.

ns1 has dodged repeatedly also. xjonx, do you have the guts to agree or disagree with cogman's miracle statement in my sig? feel free to demonstrate how "open minded" you are. try not to shoot yourself in the foot like cogman did 🙂. after all, it is about the assassination of a US president.
 
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IRT just the WTC7 thing.

Barry Jennings is another part of the whole WTC7 thing that I cannot understand has so little media coverage.

I am willing to give them WTC1 and 2, but the fact that WTC7 fell just due to fire and there wasn't a more proper investigation into that building is strange to me.
 
IRT just the WTC7 thing.

Barry Jennings is another part of the whole WTC7 thing that I cannot understand has so little media coverage.

I am willing to give them WTC1 and 2, but the fact that WTC7 fell just due to fire and there wasn't a more proper investigation into that building is strange to me.

You and your fellow twuthers are strange to the rest of us. Look at the extent people are willing to go in the above al981 post. It's pure lunacy. You think the towers came down on their own yet you side with him!!!!!!
Please.
 
You and your fellow twuthers are strange to the rest of us. Look at the extent people are willing to go in the above al981 post. It's pure lunacy. You think the towers came down on their own yet you side with him!!!!!!
Please.

Here is your method for debate:

1) pick a derogatory term to attempt to discount the other party, rinse and repeat: 'Twuther' 'Twuther' 'Twuther' neener neener neener

2) respond to statement with words and comments the other never said as you know you have nothing concrete to add...this will ensure the epic win!

I never said I have an full opinion on why the main two towers fell. I said let's just say the jets did create that 'perfect storm' that allowed them to fall.

I have a problem with WTC7 and the historical significance that was majorly ignored.

That is my point. I still haven't formulated any opinion that there were explosives or whatever.

Are you even interested in discussion or just here to call out 'twuthers'?
 
ns1 has dodged repeatedly also. xjonx, do you have the guts to agree or disagree with cogman's miracle statement in my sig? feel free to demonstrate how "open minded" you are. try not to shoot yourself in the foot like cogman did 🙂. after all, it is about the assassination of a US president.

god shut the fuck up with your JFK shit, I don't care about JFK
 
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