Attorney Works for Bush Campaign, Advised Anti-Kerry Group

conjur

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http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&u=/ap/20040824/ap_on_el_pr/veterans_group_bush_2&printer=1
WASHINGTON - A lawyer for President Bush (news - web sites)'s re-election campaign disclosed Tuesday that he has been providing legal advice for a veterans group that is challenging Democratic Sen. John Kerry (news - web sites)'s account of his Vietnam War service.

Benjamin Ginsberg's acknowledgment marks the second time in days that an individual associated with the Bush-Cheney campaign has been connected to the group Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, which Kerry accuses of being a front for the Republican incumbent's re-election effort.

The Bush campaign and the veterans' group say there is no coordination.

The group "came to me and said, 'We have a point of view we want to get into the First Amendment debate right now. There's a new law. It's very complicated. We want to comply with the law, will you keep us in the bounds of the law?'" Ginsberg said in an interview with The Associated Press. "I said yes, absolutely, as I would do for anyone."

Ginsberg said he never told the Bush campaign what he discussed with the group, or vice versa, and doesn't advise the group on ad strategies.

"They have legal questions and when they have legal questions I answer them," Ginsberg said. He said he had not yet decided whether to charge the Swift Boat Veterans a fee for his work.

Kerry's presidential campaign last week filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission (news - web sites) accusing the Bush campaign and the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth of illegally coordinating the group's ads. The ads allege Kerry has lied about his decorated Vietnam War service; the group's accounts in a television ad have been disputed by Navy records and veterans who served on Kerry's boat.

"It's another piece of the mounting evidence of the ties between the Bush campaign and this group," Kerry campaign spokesman Chad Clanton said of Ginsberg's admission. "The longer President Bush waits to specifically condemn this smear, the more it looks like his campaign is behind it."

On Saturday, retired Air Force Col. Ken Cordier resigned as a member of the Bush campaign's veterans' steering committee after it was learned that he appeared in the Swift Boat veterans' commercial.

Kerry, meanwhile, is the subject of complaints by the Bush campaign and the Republican National Committee (news - web sites) accusing his campaign of illegally coordinating anti-Bush ads with soft-money groups on the Democratic side, allegations he and the groups deny.

Ginsberg also represented the Bush campaign in 2000 and became a prominent figure during the Florida recount.

He also served as counsel to the RNC in its unsuccessful lawsuit seeking to overturn the nation's campaign finance law, which banned the national party committees from collecting corporate, union and unlimited donations known as soft money and imposed stricter rules on coordination involving parties, candidates and interest groups.

Ginsberg contends that by offering legal advice to both the Bush campaign and the Swift Boat group, he has done nothing different than other election lawyers in Washington, including attorneys for Kerry and the Democratic National Committee (news - web sites) who have also advised soft-money groups. Representing campaigns, parties and outside groups simultaneously is legal and allowed under the law and by the FEC, he said.

"The truth is there is only a handful of lawyers who live and breathe this law. And so because the coordination rules do not include legal services among the prohibited coordinated activities, we provide legal service," Ginsberg said.

Larry Noble, head of the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics campaign watchdog group and former FEC general counsel, said it's true that serving as a lawyer for both a campaign and a soft-money group isn't considered automatic evidence of coordination under commission rules, but added that it doesn't mean the FEC won't look at it.

"I think there's a valid question about when you're talking about strictly legal advice and when you're talking about policy issues and strategic issues," Noble said. "It's fair to ask what the advice is about."

Joe Sandler, a lawyer for the DNC and a group running anti-Bush ads, MoveOn.org, said there is nothing wrong with serving in both roles at once.

In addition to the FEC's coordination rules, attorneys are ethically bound to maintain attorney-client confidentiality, Sandler said. They could lose their law license if they violate that, he said.

How much longer can the Bush campaign deflect this illegal activity?
 

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if it was the other way around, the conservatives would be screaming for a impeachment, ... like they did w/ clinton when he had an affair .... some of these people need to go to jail, this is getting out of hand, the law is becoming a "guideline" instead of a law.

Ogi
 

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Originally posted by: conjur

How much longer can the Bush campaign deflect this illegal activity?

Originally posted by: Ogi
if it was the other way around, the conservatives would be screaming for a impeachment, ... like they did w/ clinton when he had an affair .... some of these people need to go to jail, this is getting out of hand, the law is becoming a "guideline" instead of a law.

Ogi

Nevermind impeachment, the Country should demand Bush resign NOW!!! :|
 

alchemize

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lol did you even bother to read the whole article?

Joe Sandler, a lawyer for the DNC and a group running anti-Bush ads, MoveOn.org, said there is nothing wrong with serving in both roles at once.

You are so partisan and biased it is comic. How long can the DNC deflect this illegal actvitiy?

Ogi: " if it was the other way around, the conservatives would be screaming for a impeachment," OK, there you have it. See above quote.


Arsebanned: see above quote. Criminals running the kerry campaign!
 

arsbanned

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alchemize, watch the childish name games. Lest I change yours. ;)
My comment stands. The article describes an attorney that's been working for Bush since 2000 (helped him steal the election!)
You want to start a thread about groups opposed to Bush, feel free.
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: arsbanned
alchemize, watch the childish name games. Lest I change yours. ;)
My comment stands. The article describes an attorney that's been working for Bush since 2000 (helped him steal the election!)
You want to start a thread about groups opposed to Bush, feel free.
Actually, that was totally accidental...my mistake.

And my comment stands. You have to be a complete partisan to think that a laywer working for bush and Swifties is any different than a lawyer working for Kerry and Moveon. Either they both are illegal, or both aren't. Either they are tied, or they aren't.
 

DealMonkey

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Well thus far the GOP is denying any connection.

The Bush campaign and the veterans' group say there is no coordination.

Are the Dems also denying there's a connection? I just want to make sure we've got an even score here on the lying.
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Well thus far the GOP is denying any connection.

The Bush campaign and the veterans' group say there is no coordination.

Are the Dems also denying there's a connection? I just want to make sure we've got an even score here on the lying.

I think "coordination" versus "connection" obviously are two very different topics. As I've proved, and this article states, both campaigns have "connections" to 527's. It seems the GOP isn't denying a connection with this lawyer here...since he came out and said it before someone could "out him".
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Well thus far the GOP is denying any connection.

The Bush campaign and the veterans' group say there is no coordination.

Are the Dems also denying there's a connection? I just want to make sure we've got an even score here on the lying.

I think "coordination" versus "connection" obviously are two very different topics. As I've proved, and this article states, both campaigns have "connections" to 527's. It seems the GOP isn't denying a connection with this lawyer here...since he came out and said it before someone could "out him".

At what point would they be coordinating?
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: arsbanned
alchemize, watch the childish name games. Lest I change yours. ;)
My comment stands. The article describes an attorney that's been working for Bush since 2000 (helped him steal the election!)
You want to start a thread about groups opposed to Bush, feel free.
Actually, that was totally accidental...my mistake.

And my comment stands. You have to be a complete partisan to think that a laywer working for bush and Swifties is any different than a lawyer working for Kerry and Moveon. Either they both are illegal, or both aren't. Either they are tied, or they aren't.

Uh....that lawyer is NOT working for Kerry and MoveOn. Re-read your quote. He works for the DNC, not the Kerry campaign.
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: arsbanned
alchemize, watch the childish name games. Lest I change yours. ;)
My comment stands. The article describes an attorney that's been working for Bush since 2000 (helped him steal the election!)
You want to start a thread about groups opposed to Bush, feel free.
Actually, that was totally accidental...my mistake.

And my comment stands. You have to be a complete partisan to think that a laywer working for bush and Swifties is any different than a lawyer working for Kerry and Moveon. Either they both are illegal, or both aren't. Either they are tied, or they aren't.

Uh....that lawyer is NOT working for Kerry and MoveOn. Re-read your quote. He works for the DNC, not the Kerry campaign.

OH wow what I difference jeez I never thought of that! Heck Kerry has no relation to the DNC at all...or moveon, that guy he hired was just their webmaster after all...:roll:
 

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Originally posted by: Ogi
if it was the other way around, the conservatives would be screaming for a impeachment, ... like they did w/ clinton when he had an affair .... some of these people need to go to jail, this is getting out of hand, the law is becoming a "guideline" instead of a law.

Ogi

Clinton was impeached for lying under oath.. not because of an affair.. nice try though.
 

shiner

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: arsbanned
alchemize, watch the childish name games. Lest I change yours. ;)
My comment stands. The article describes an attorney that's been working for Bush since 2000 (helped him steal the election!)
You want to start a thread about groups opposed to Bush, feel free.
Actually, that was totally accidental...my mistake.

And my comment stands. You have to be a complete partisan to think that a laywer working for bush and Swifties is any different than a lawyer working for Kerry and Moveon. Either they both are illegal, or both aren't. Either they are tied, or they aren't.

Uh....that lawyer is NOT working for Kerry and MoveOn. Re-read your quote. He works for the DNC, not the Kerry campaign.
You have really gone over the partisan edge.

All you do anymore is post links to things you think are damaging to the Bush campaign. Then when those things are either disproved or shown to be similar to what the Kerry campaign is doing you start spinning. Spin, spin, spin.....watch conjur spin.

It's sad....you were respectable in the past. Now your blinders won't even let you see how hypocritical you are.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: arsbanned
alchemize, watch the childish name games. Lest I change yours. ;)
My comment stands. The article describes an attorney that's been working for Bush since 2000 (helped him steal the election!)
You want to start a thread about groups opposed to Bush, feel free.
Actually, that was totally accidental...my mistake.

And my comment stands. You have to be a complete partisan to think that a laywer working for bush and Swifties is any different than a lawyer working for Kerry and Moveon. Either they both are illegal, or both aren't. Either they are tied, or they aren't.

Uh....that lawyer is NOT working for Kerry and MoveOn. Re-read your quote. He works for the DNC, not the Kerry campaign.
You have really gone over the partisan edge.

All you do anymore is post links to things you think are damaging to the Bush campaign. Then when those things are either disproved or shown to be similar to what the Kerry campaign is doing you start spinning. Spin, spin, spin.....watch conjur spin.

It's sad....you were respectable in the past. Now your blinders won't even let you see how hypocritical you are.

I would have to agree.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: shinerburke
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: arsbanned
alchemize, watch the childish name games. Lest I change yours. ;)
My comment stands. The article describes an attorney that's been working for Bush since 2000 (helped him steal the election!)
You want to start a thread about groups opposed to Bush, feel free.
Actually, that was totally accidental...my mistake.

And my comment stands. You have to be a complete partisan to think that a laywer working for bush and Swifties is any different than a lawyer working for Kerry and Moveon. Either they both are illegal, or both aren't. Either they are tied, or they aren't.

Uh....that lawyer is NOT working for Kerry and MoveOn. Re-read your quote. He works for the DNC, not the Kerry campaign.
You have really gone over the partisan edge.

All you do anymore is post links to things you think are damaging to the Bush campaign. Then when those things are either disproved or shown to be similar to what the Kerry campaign is doing you start spinning. Spin, spin, spin.....watch conjur spin.

It's sad....you were respectable in the past. Now your blinders won't even let you see how hypocritical you are.

Coming from the king of partisan hacks and hypocrites...this means nothing to me.
 

dannybin1742

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somone should go read the editorial in the LA times today (and yes the LA times is a somwhat conservative paper) it really blasts bush for this
 

sMiLeYz

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Originally posted by: alchemize
lol did you even bother to read the whole article?

Joe Sandler, a lawyer for the DNC and a group running anti-Bush ads, MoveOn.org, said there is nothing wrong with serving in both roles at once.

You are so partisan and biased it is comic. How long can the DNC deflect this illegal actvitiy?

Ogi: " if it was the other way around, the conservatives would be screaming for a impeachment," OK, there you have it. See above quote.


Arsebanned: see above quote. Criminals running the kerry campaign!

Joe Sandler is not the advising the Kerry campaign is he?