Attorney jobs increasingly outsourced to India

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

I'm amazed at the persistence of this belief that most lawyers do well and that more than a relatively tiny percentage of law school grads come out with six figure job offers. I'm pretty sure the six figure job offers only went to the top 50% of the class at the top 20 law schools, and that was before the depression.

While MANY lawyers do very well, I agree...the majority who go into family law just earn middle-class salaries.

When I was working construction, I usually made more than the lawyer who's our family attorney. Soimetimes she got a bit pissed that she has this big fancy degree...and me, as a high school drop out make $10-$15K/year more than she did...Same with her husband who's a grade school teacher. I made about double his wages. I KNOW that pissed him off. He is one of those people who believe that going to college makes you worth more...:roll:

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

I'm amazed at the persistence of this belief that most lawyers do well and that more than a relatively tiny percentage of law school grads come out with six figure job offers. I'm pretty sure the six figure job offers only went to the top 50% of the class at the top 20 law schools, and that was before the depression.

While MANY lawyers do very well, I agree...the majority who go into family law just earn middle-class salaries.

When I was working construction, I usually made more than the lawyer who's our family attorney. Soimetimes she got a bit pissed that she has this big fancy degree...and me, as a high school drop out make $10-$15K/year more than she did...Same with her husband who's a grade school teacher. I made about double his wages. I KNOW that pissed him off. He is one of those people who believe that going to college makes you worth more...:roll:

Well statistically speaking, it does. (from an income standpoint)

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

I'm amazed at the persistence of this belief that most lawyers do well and that more than a relatively tiny percentage of law school grads come out with six figure job offers. I'm pretty sure the six figure job offers only went to the top 50% of the class at the top 20 law schools, and that was before the depression.

While MANY lawyers do very well, I agree...the majority who go into family law just earn middle-class salaries.

When I was working construction, I usually made more than the lawyer who's our family attorney. Soimetimes she got a bit pissed that she has this big fancy degree...and me, as a high school drop out make $10-$15K/year more than she did...Same with her husband who's a grade school teacher. I made about double his wages. I KNOW that pissed him off. He is one of those people who believe that going to college makes you worth more...:roll:

Well statistically speaking, it does. (from an income standpoint)

In some fields...of course it does. As a crane operator, I consistently made $80-$90K/year. Not too bad for an old high-school drop out.

Sure, there were lean years where I made <$75K, but those were few and far between.
The majority of college grads I've known over the years didn't make that kind of money.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: Underclocked
daniel1113, use of the word ignorant and use of the word stupid are two very different things. You seem to understand that very well.

My focus on lawyers is simply because I believe they (as a group) do far more damage to our country than any other profession. Otherwise, you would be totally correct.

I think it would be a vast improvement to have more ignorant engineers, ignorant accountants, and ignorant Xs involved in lawmaking.

I still contend that you will have the same problems, because it is a result of power not profession. The liars, thieves, and power hungry fools will simply be engineers, doctors, and accounts (of which there are already plenty).

If there's one thing I've learned over the years, it's that there are few professionals more dangerous than accountants. They can do anything you want with numbers and still make the books balance.

Good accountants are also the ones responsible for ensuring taxes get paid, bringing down corrupt companies like Enron and Worldcom, and providing valuable protection and direction for industries all over the world.

I'm glad you understand the point I was making. There are good accountants and there are bad accountants. A bad accountant can be just as damaging as a bad lawyer. The same with engineers, doctors, etc.

The sad thing is that the honest accountants that blow the lid from within are now unemployable accountants except in the government sector and small firms.

Funny how doing the right thing can mess your career up.

Bad engineers and doctors can kill people, bad lawyers can send people to prison, bad accountants can .. well you know.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

I'm amazed at the persistence of this belief that most lawyers do well and that more than a relatively tiny percentage of law school grads come out with six figure job offers. I'm pretty sure the six figure job offers only went to the top 50% of the class at the top 20 law schools, and that was before the depression.

While MANY lawyers do very well, I agree...the majority who go into family law just earn middle-class salaries.

When I was working construction, I usually made more than the lawyer who's our family attorney. Soimetimes she got a bit pissed that she has this big fancy degree...and me, as a high school drop out make $10-$15K/year more than she did...Same with her husband who's a grade school teacher. I made about double his wages. I KNOW that pissed him off. He is one of those people who believe that going to college makes you worth more...:roll:

Well statistically speaking, it does. (from an income standpoint)

In some fields...of course it does. As a crane operator, I consistently made $80-$90K/year. Not too bad for an old high-school drop out.

Sure, there were lean years where I made <$75K, but those were few and far between.
The majority of college grads I've known over the years didn't make that kind of money.

I'm glad you're doing well, but certainly you realize that you are an exception. From an objective standpoint people with a 4 year degree make more than those who don't have them.

 

[Safeway]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
I'm amazed at the persistence of this belief that most lawyers do well and that more than a relatively tiny percentage of law school grads come out with six figure job offers. I'm pretty sure that, traditionally, the six figure job offers only went to the top 50% of the class at the top 20 law schools, and that was before the depression.

I know that a lot of graduates come out making $50,000. But not from the top schools. The average starting salary at my University is roughly $92,000, a figure that includes all graduates, not just those hired by private firms. The average private firm starting salary is well over $100,000.

I have said before, I am at a Tier 1 law school and do very well in my course work. I have held two summer internships that paid market -- $3,000/week. These internships were each 12 weeks in duration, and focused on intellectual property litigation and persecution. Think about that a while. As a student, with no legal authority, I was paid $3,000/week. This is a pure recruiting tactic; the firms did not profit off of my presence.

So Snapper, it is true that most graduates do not make good money. It is true that graduates from Tier 2, 3, and 4 schools do not make good money unless especially intelligent or driven. Tier 1 schools fill the "relatively tiny percentage" of six-figure job offers.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Safeway

75% of students graduate from bad law schools. I will enjoy $160,000.

if you're in the top quarter at UT go for it. don't think that people closer to the half mark are getting anywhere near that, cuz they're not.

 

[Safeway]

BoomerD, eskimospy -- I don't think Boomer is an exception. I think he is a driven individual. I think he found a trade that pays for experience and skill, and milked that job for all that it was worth.

A family friend of mine also worked as a crane operator. He has almost 40 years of experience, and brings in right at $100,000/year. Although he was a high school drop-out, he had drive and determination and confidence. Rather than work at the local lumber yard, he found a trade he could master.

My father worked as a deisel mechanic for several years, and eventually started driving for the same company. He brought in $75,000/year as an 'uneducated, uncouth' truck driver. It was a j-o-b that happened to pay the bills efficiently. After 10 years of driving, he switched back to the maintenance side of driving, working as a deisel mechanic again. He makes about $85,000/year as a wrench turner.

That's quite a departure from the topic of this thread, but it was brought up. I think that everyone realizes that some law schools are worth attending and some law schools are not. I wouldn't have enrolled for first year courses if the only schools I was admitted to were in the latter category. I ensured my seat in a top tier law school. Choosing intellectual property as a focus was not a mere arbitrary decision. The IP field is rapidly growing, rapidly evolving. Not many attorneys fully grasp the intracacies of IP. As such, IP attorneys get paid more and enjoy a less stressful work environment.

 

[Corporate Thug]

Lets see outsourcing of Litigation jobs. Hard to make court appearances everyday from India :grin;

here is another interesting read though:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08...ss/26lawyers.html?_r=1

BTW, one of my friends from big firm/top 10 law school started an outsourcing practice and it's booming. Obviously, he only outsources transactional stuff like contracts, incorporation, wills, trusts, etc.

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
I'm amazed at the persistence of this belief that most lawyers do well and that more than a relatively tiny percentage of law school grads come out with six figure job offers. I'm pretty sure that, traditionally, the six figure job offers only went to the top 50% of the class at the top 20 law schools, and that was before the depression.

I know that a lot of graduates come out making $50,000. But not from the top schools. The average starting salary at my University is roughly $92,000, a figure that includes all graduates, not just those hired by private firms. The average private firm starting salary is well over $100,000.

I have said before, I am at a Tier 1 law school and do very well in my course work. I have held two summer internships that paid market -- $3,000/week. These internships were each 12 weeks in duration, and focused on intellectual property litigation and persecution. Think about that a while. As a student, with no legal authority, I was paid $3,000/week. This is a pure recruiting tactic; the firms did not profit off of my presence.

So Snapper, it is true that most graduates do not make good money. It is true that graduates from Tier 2, 3, and 4 schools do not make good money unless especially intelligent or driven. Tier 1 schools fill the "relatively tiny percentage" of six-figure job offers.

I went to a Tier 1 school (not nearly as highly ranked in UT) but you have to keep two things in mind:

1. law schools inflate starting salary and % employed within 9 months. This is common practice as it helps in the US News rankings.

2. The market was much different when they were hammering out those numbers. However inflated the numbers may be, the market has hit a low point.

P.S. As noted in the article I linked to, the days of the summer honeymoons are quickly coming to an end.

 

[Safeway]

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
I'm amazed at the persistence of this belief that most lawyers do well and that more than a relatively tiny percentage of law school grads come out with six figure job offers. I'm pretty sure that, traditionally, the six figure job offers only went to the top 50% of the class at the top 20 law schools, and that was before the depression.

I know that a lot of graduates come out making $50,000. But not from the top schools. The average starting salary at my University is roughly $92,000, a figure that includes all graduates, not just those hired by private firms. The average private firm starting salary is well over $100,000.

I have said before, I am at a Tier 1 law school and do very well in my course work. I have held two summer internships that paid market -- $3,000/week. These internships were each 12 weeks in duration, and focused on intellectual property litigation and persecution. Think about that a while. As a student, with no legal authority, I was paid $3,000/week. This is a pure recruiting tactic; the firms did not profit off of my presence.

So Snapper, it is true that most graduates do not make good money. It is true that graduates from Tier 2, 3, and 4 schools do not make good money unless especially intelligent or driven. Tier 1 schools fill the "relatively tiny percentage" of six-figure job offers.

I went to a Tier 1 school (not nearly as highly ranked in UT) but you have to keep two things in mind:

1. law schools inflate starting salary and % employed within 9 months. This is common practice as it helps in the US News rankings.

2. The market was much different when they were hammering out those numbers. However inflated the numbers may be, the market has hit a low point.

P.S. As noted in the article I linked to, the days of the summer honeymoons are quickly coming to an end.

I know, summer internships paying market was the first fat to get cut. I am glad I got my cash when the economy had a wood. The mating dance has been performed, and I am the benefactor.

Even if the bottom drops out on me, I have my Pharm.D./Ph.D. fiance to bail me out.

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
I'm amazed at the persistence of this belief that most lawyers do well and that more than a relatively tiny percentage of law school grads come out with six figure job offers. I'm pretty sure that, traditionally, the six figure job offers only went to the top 50% of the class at the top 20 law schools, and that was before the depression.

I know that a lot of graduates come out making $50,000. But not from the top schools. The average starting salary at my University is roughly $92,000, a figure that includes all graduates, not just those hired by private firms. The average private firm starting salary is well over $100,000.

I have said before, I am at a Tier 1 law school and do very well in my course work. I have held two summer internships that paid market -- $3,000/week. These internships were each 12 weeks in duration, and focused on intellectual property litigation and persecution. Think about that a while. As a student, with no legal authority, I was paid $3,000/week. This is a pure recruiting tactic; the firms did not profit off of my presence.

So Snapper, it is true that most graduates do not make good money. It is true that graduates from Tier 2, 3, and 4 schools do not make good money unless especially intelligent or driven. Tier 1 schools fill the "relatively tiny percentage" of six-figure job offers.

I went to a Tier 1 school (not nearly as highly ranked in UT) but you have to keep two things in mind:

1. law schools inflate starting salary and % employed within 9 months. This is common practice as it helps in the US News rankings.

2. The market was much different when they were hammering out those numbers. However inflated the numbers may be, the market has hit a low point.

P.S. As noted in the article I linked to, the days of the summer honeymoons are quickly coming to an end.

I know, summer internships paying market was the first fat to get cut. I am glad I got my cash when the economy had a wood. The mating dance has been performed, and I am the benefactor.

Even if the bottom drops out on me, I have my Pharm.D./Ph.D. fiance to bail me out.

I doubt the bottom would drop out. All I'm saying is that the entire industry got a wake up call regarding their irresponsible spending.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: Safeway
BoomerD, eskimospy -- I don't think Boomer is an exception. I think he is a driven individual. I think he found a trade that pays for experience and skill, and milked that job for all that it was worth.

A family friend of mine also worked as a crane operator. He has almost 40 years of experience, and brings in right at $100,000/year. Although he was a high school drop-out, he had drive and determination and confidence. Rather than work at the local lumber yard, he found a trade he could master.

My father worked as a deisel mechanic for several years, and eventually started driving for the same company. He brought in $75,000/year as an 'uneducated, uncouth' truck driver. It was a j-o-b that happened to pay the bills efficiently. After 10 years of driving, he switched back to the maintenance side of driving, working as a deisel mechanic again. He makes about $85,000/year as a wrench turner.

That's quite a departure from the topic of this thread, but it was brought up. I think that everyone realizes that some law schools are worth attending and some law schools are not. I wouldn't have enrolled for first year courses if the only schools I was admitted to were in the latter category. I ensured my seat in a top tier law school. Choosing intellectual property as a focus was not a mere arbitrary decision. The IP field is rapidly growing, rapidly evolving. Not many attorneys fully grasp the intracacies of IP. As such, IP attorneys get paid more and enjoy a less stressful work environment.

Exactly. I found a trade that pays well, spent many years mastering the trade and earned a reputation as a good, safe operator who could get the job done right.
I COULD have settled for working 40 hrs/week, 6-8 months per year, and making about $35-$40K per year. (just enough to get my pension credit and my H&W for a year ) like many guys do. I LIKE to work. I wanted every dammed hour I could get, and worked 6-7 days per week for most of my career.
Driven? Yep...that's a good description.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug
1. law schools inflate starting salary and % employed within 9 months. This is common practice as it helps in the US News rankings.

girl i dated in law school didn't get an offer from either of her biglaw summer clerkships, was unemployed but they counted the unpaid position she did for a couple months at the international arbitration center in new york as 'employed'

another girl i knew failed the bar and worked at costco passing out hors d'oeuvres and she was counted as 'employed'

(don't feel bad for either of them though, the first one is now in house at att and the second moved to washington and is doing policy for congress)

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
I'm amazed at the persistence of this belief that most lawyers do well and that more than a relatively tiny percentage of law school grads come out with six figure job offers. I'm pretty sure that, traditionally, the six figure job offers only went to the top 50% of the class at the top 20 law schools, and that was before the depression.

I know that a lot of graduates come out making $50,000. But not from the top schools. The average starting salary at my University is roughly $92,000, a figure that includes all graduates, not just those hired by private firms. The average private firm starting salary is well over $100,000.

I have said before, I am at a Tier 1 law school and do very well in my course work. I have held two summer internships that paid market -- $3,000/week. These internships were each 12 weeks in duration, and focused on intellectual property litigation and persecution. Think about that a while. As a student, with no legal authority, I was paid $3,000/week. This is a pure recruiting tactic; the firms did not profit off of my presence.

So Snapper, it is true that most graduates do not make good money. It is true that graduates from Tier 2, 3, and 4 schools do not make good money unless especially intelligent or driven. Tier 1 schools fill the "relatively tiny percentage" of six-figure job offers.

Congrats on the summer associateships. Out of curiosity, are you a BSEE? If you don't mind my asking, where are you attending law school? It sounds like you're at a T20 or T14.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: SafewayThe IP field is rapidly growing, rapidly evolving. Not many attorneys fully grasp the intracacies of IP. As such, IP attorneys get paid more and enjoy a less stressful work environment.

It's definitely one of the better fields in the legal industry, although last I looked the supply of people graduating from law schools who were eligible to sit for the Patent Bar Exam exceeded the supply. When I attended PLIP (the Patent Law Interview Program) years ago it seemed like there were a lot of people who had just finished their 2L year who hadn't yet found a job. I've also seen posts to that effect in the past on the Greedy IP discussion board. I'm under the impression that if you have a science degree that it's very tough unless you have a Ph.D. I'm also under the impression that it can be hard to find a position with a non-EE engineering degree as well.

Anyway, congrats on your good fortune and on being able to pay off your student loans.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug1. law schools inflate starting salary and % employed within 9 months. This is common practice as it helps in the US News rankings.

You also have to wonder how many people return the employment surveys to the law school. Those who end up unemployed or involuntarily-underemployed-and-out-of-field might feel embarrassed about it or might not feel like taking the time to respond to the survey.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug1. law schools inflate starting salary and % employed within 9 months. This is common practice as it helps in the US News rankings.

You also have to wonder how many people return the employment surveys to the law school. Those who end up unemployed or involuntarily-underemployed-and-out-of-field might feel embarrassed about it or might not feel like taking the time to respond to the survey.

That is worth noting, and it probably has some effect, but I'm guessing it goes both ways. After graduating, not only was I employed in field, but I didn't respond to the survey.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
I'm amazed at the persistence of this belief that most lawyers do well and that more than a relatively tiny percentage of law school grads come out with six figure job offers. I'm pretty sure that, traditionally, the six figure job offers only went to the top 50% of the class at the top 20 law schools, and that was before the depression.

I know that a lot of graduates come out making $50,000. But not from the top schools. The average starting salary at my University is roughly $92,000, a figure that includes all graduates, not just those hired by private firms. The average private firm starting salary is well over $100,000.

I have said before, I am at a Tier 1 law school and do very well in my course work. I have held two summer internships that paid market -- $3,000/week. These internships were each 12 weeks in duration, and focused on intellectual property litigation and persecution. Think about that a while. As a student, with no legal authority, I was paid $3,000/week. This is a pure recruiting tactic; the firms did not profit off of my presence.

So Snapper, it is true that most graduates do not make good money. It is true that graduates from Tier 2, 3, and 4 schools do not make good money unless especially intelligent or driven. Tier 1 schools fill the "relatively tiny percentage" of six-figure job offers.

Don't forget you're in the Austin bubble too. No matter how you cut it, law career does not look good for future grads. Gone is Wall St and half of the high paying legal jobs with it. Of course top talent will get paid top dollars, but the days of $160k first year associates are over.

 

[Safeway]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
I'm amazed at the persistence of this belief that most lawyers do well and that more than a relatively tiny percentage of law school grads come out with six figure job offers. I'm pretty sure that, traditionally, the six figure job offers only went to the top 50% of the class at the top 20 law schools, and that was before the depression.

I know that a lot of graduates come out making $50,000. But not from the top schools. The average starting salary at my University is roughly $92,000, a figure that includes all graduates, not just those hired by private firms. The average private firm starting salary is well over $100,000.

I have said before, I am at a Tier 1 law school and do very well in my course work. I have held two summer internships that paid market -- $3,000/week. These internships were each 12 weeks in duration, and focused on intellectual property litigation and persecution. Think about that a while. As a student, with no legal authority, I was paid $3,000/week. This is a pure recruiting tactic; the firms did not profit off of my presence.

So Snapper, it is true that most graduates do not make good money. It is true that graduates from Tier 2, 3, and 4 schools do not make good money unless especially intelligent or driven. Tier 1 schools fill the "relatively tiny percentage" of six-figure job offers.

Don't forget you're in the Austin bubble too. No matter how you cut it, law career does not look good for future grads. Gone is Wall St and half of the high paying legal jobs with it. Of course top talent will get paid top dollars, but the days of $160k first year associates are over.

Dallas internships, not Austin.

 

[crisscross]

Read this Hard times at Harvard You guys have made education and medical treatment ridiculously expensive. The harvard example is just one, My uncle was visiting his son in New York when he cut his head a bit, he went to the local hospital who glued his head and strapped a band-aid after making him wait for 3 hours. The bill? $600!

Guess how much that would cost in India? less than $5! and don't tell me you need a $100,000 degree for that.

Also read this article at Wired, it tells you a bit more about how times are changing.

And all you guys who keep saying your healthcare system is good and works just fine, come to India and see some of the hospitals here almost every half decent hospital has separate teams for american medical tourists. Why? because there are so many americans who come here to get treated and it's cheaper to take a round trip to India and get treated then it is in the US.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
I'm amazed at the persistence of this belief that most lawyers do well and that more than a relatively tiny percentage of law school grads come out with six figure job offers. I'm pretty sure that, traditionally, the six figure job offers only went to the top 50% of the class at the top 20 law schools, and that was before the depression.

I know that a lot of graduates come out making $50,000. But not from the top schools. The average starting salary at my University is roughly $92,000, a figure that includes all graduates, not just those hired by private firms. The average private firm starting salary is well over $100,000.

I have said before, I am at a Tier 1 law school and do very well in my course work. I have held two summer internships that paid market -- $3,000/week. These internships were each 12 weeks in duration, and focused on intellectual property litigation and persecution. Think about that a while. As a student, with no legal authority, I was paid $3,000/week. This is a pure recruiting tactic; the firms did not profit off of my presence.

So Snapper, it is true that most graduates do not make good money. It is true that graduates from Tier 2, 3, and 4 schools do not make good money unless especially intelligent or driven. Tier 1 schools fill the "relatively tiny percentage" of six-figure job offers.

Don't forget you're in the Austin bubble too. No matter how you cut it, law career does not look good for future grads. Gone is Wall St and half of the high paying legal jobs with it. Of course top talent will get paid top dollars, but the days of $160k first year associates are over.

Dallas internships, not Austin.

Texas!

FWIW, I have a couple friends (married) who just graduated from UT law top of their class got their offers rescinded from one of those top Dallas law firms (I forget which one, it's the biggest one).

 

[ericlp]

Yay!!! I am sure it were the Lawyers that drafted the plans for IT to outsourced now these fuckers can feel what IT has been going through for the past 7-8 years.

I hate Attorney's and I hope that this takes away 60-70% of the jobs here. That will be GREAT! America can SUE everyone! WhooooHoo!!!

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: Safeway
I know, summer internships paying market was the first fat to get cut. I am glad I got my cash when the economy had a wood. The mating dance has been performed, and I am the benefactor.

Even if the bottom drops out on me, I have my Pharm.D./Ph.D. fiance to bail me out.

Don't count on it. The PhD track, like law, is only high paying if you go to the right schools and impress the right people. Mind you, letting go of the dream of becoming a professor and instead selling out to industry improves those odds.

My story is inverted...my girlfriend went to law school and then specialized in taxation at a tier 1 school. She got a six figure job right away, but then got cut when the economy went to crap and hasn't been able to find anything since. I'm in a good-name PhD program. I don't really care that much about money, though, so really I just consider it as the flexibility to do whatever I please when I leave.


I didn't realize that Texas was that big on gay marriage, though.

 

[Safeway]

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: Safeway
I know, summer internships paying market was the first fat to get cut. I am glad I got my cash when the economy had a wood. The mating dance has been performed, and I am the benefactor.

Even if the bottom drops out on me, I have my Pharm.D./Ph.D. fiance to bail me out.

Don't count on it. The PhD track, like law, is only high paying if you go to the right schools and impress the right people. Mind you, letting go of the dream of becoming a professor and instead selling out to industry improves those odds.

My story is inverted...my girlfriend went to law school and then specialized in taxation at a tier 1 school. She got a six figure job right away, but then got cut when the economy went to crap and hasn't been able to find anything since. I'm in a good-name PhD program. I don't really care that much about money, though, so really I just consider it as the flexibility to do whatever I please when I leave.


I didn't realize that Texas was that big on gay marriage, though.

UT Pharmacy is #2 in the nation.