ATTN: Opponents of Animal Testing

[yakko]

No. You just act like a clown.

 

[rickn]

me thanks the rodent population for its undying service to humanity.

 

[rickn]

what was the point of this thread again?

 

[Electric Amish]

Yeah! Why should we test on poor defenseless animals? We should be testing on humans. It would cut down on a lot of research dollars!

amish

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: jaeger66

Originally posted by: Joemonkey
i'm not talking about ONLY cosmetic testing, i'm talking about all testing in general

which would you rather happen, they test (insert anything potentially harmful to people) on animals first before it goes to human markets, or just put it in the human market and see what happens?

No, I mean all testing. Methods using cultured human cells are far more accurate, but more expensive. In other words, science has advanced to the point where animals are no longer useful.

You are ignorant.

 

[Electric Amish]

Originally posted by: rahvin

Originally posted by: jaeger66

Originally posted by: Joemonkey
i'm not talking about ONLY cosmetic testing, i'm talking about all testing in general

which would you rather happen, they test (insert anything potentially harmful to people) on animals first before it goes to human markets, or just put it in the human market and see what happens?

No, I mean all testing. Methods using cultured human cells are far more accurate, but more expensive. In other words, science has advanced to the point where animals are no longer useful.

You are ignorant.

That's an understatement.

amish

 

[jjessico]

The article you are citing has one source, from 1987.

Boston Globe, June 13, 1987.


Perhaps an eclectic research article would be more fair.


Jason

 

[jaeger66]

Originally posted by: rahvin

You are ignorant.

I guess so. I mean, what does Johns Hopkins University know about science?

 

[jjessico]

Trial and error has outlived it's usefulness.

Are you kidding? That statement says everything in a lab is ready to rock and roll. Because computers are uber l33t we don't need the real world to test things.

Jason

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: jaeger66

Originally posted by: rahvin

You are ignorant.

I guess so. I mean, what does Johns Hopkins University know about science?

The university itself knows nothing about science or it's methods. Some of the people working there might know certain specific things and could be considered experts on those specific things they do know. You on the other hand have displayed profound ignorance of both the subject matter involved and the methods, history and science involved.

Have a nice day.

 

[jaeger66]

Originally posted by: rahvin


The university itself knows nothing about science or it's methods. Some of the people working there might know certain specific things and could be considered experts on those specific things they do know. You on the other hand have displayed profound ignorance of both the subject matter involved and the methods, history and scientific use of animal testing.

Have a nice day.

Mmmmhmmm. I'll consider my experience in the lab enough to form a reasonable opinion, at least among the brain trust here. The fact that we've always done things a certain way isn't really a reason to keep doing them.

And for the record, I didn't mean to suggest that all animal testing in science is worthless. Some of it isn't. But too much of it is done simply because it's cheaper and faster.

 

[bozack]

No way can I boycott this many companies....good thing I don't really care enough to bother.

Alberto-Culver (Alberto VO5, Pro-line, Sally Beauty Supply, TCB Naturals, Tresemm&eacute
2525 Armitage Ave., Melrose Park, IL 60160-1163; 708-450-3000;
www.alberto.com

Arm & Hammer (Church & Dwight)
P.O. Box 1625, Horsham, PA 19044-6625; 609-683-5900; 800-524-1328;
www.armhammer.com

*Bic Corporation
500 Bic Dr., Milford, CT 06460; 203-783-2000; www.bicworld.com

Block Drug Co. (Carpet Fresh, Lava, Polident, Sensodyne, Tegrin)
257 Cornelison Ave., Jersey City, NJ 07302; 201-434-3000; 800-365-6500; www.blockdrug.com

Boyle-Midway (Reckitt Benckiser)
2 Wickman Rd., Toronto, ON M8Z 5M5 Canada; 416-255-2300

*Braun (Gillette Company)
400 Unicorn Park Dr., Woburn, MA 01801; 800-272-8611;
www.braun.com

Chesebrough-Ponds (Fabergé, Vaseline)
800 Sylvan Ave., Englewood Cliffs, NJ 07632; 800-243-5804

Church & Dwight (Arm & Hammer, Arrid, Lady's Choice, Nair, Pearl Drops)
P.O. Box 1625, Horsham, PA 19044-6625; 609-683-5900; 800-524-1328;
www.churchdwight.com

Clairol (Procter & Gamble)
40 W. 57th St., 23rd Fl., New York, NY 10019; 212-541-2740; 800-223-5800;
www.clairol.com

Clorox (ArmorAll, Formula 409, FreshStep, Glad, Pine-Sol, SoftScrub, S.O.S., Tilex)
1221 Broadway, Oakland, CA 94612; 510-271-7000; 800-227-1860;
www.clorox.com

Colgate-Palmolive Co. (Ajax, Fab, Hills Pet Nutrition, Mennen, Palmolive, SoftSoap, Speed Stick)
300 Park Ave., New York, NY 10022; 212-310-2000; 800-221-4607;
www.colgate.com

Coty (Adidas, Davidoff, JOOP!, Jovan, Lancaster, Rimmel, Stetson)
1325 Ave. of the Americas, 324th Fl., New York, NY 10019; 212-479-4300
www.coty.com

Cover Girl (Procter & Gamble)
One Procter & Gamble Plz., Cincinnati, OH 45202; 513-983-1100; 800-543-1745;
www.covergirl.com

Del Laboratories (Commerce Drug, Flame Glow, New York Color, Propa PH, Sally Hansen)
178 EAB Plz., Uniondale, NY 115566; 516-844-2020; 800-952-5080; www.dellabs.com

Dial Corporation (Purex, Renuzit)
15101 N. Scottsdale Rd., Ste. 5028, Scottsdale, AZ 85254-2199; 800-528-0849;
www.dialcorp.com

Drackett Products Co. (S.C. Johnson & Son)
1525 Howe St., Racine, WI 53403; 414-631-2000; 800-558-5252;
www.scjohnsonwax.com

Erno Laszlo
3202 Queens Blvd., Long Island City, NY 11101; 729-729-4480; www.ernolaszlo.com

*Gillette Co. (Braun, Duracell, Flair, Liquid Paper)
Prudential Tower Bldg., Boston, MA 02199; 617-421-7000; 800-872-7202;
www.gillette.com

Givaudan-Roure
1775 Windsor Rd., Teaneck, NJ 07666; 201-833-2300

Helene Curtis Industries (Finesse, Salon Selectives, Thermasilk, Unilever)
800 Sylvan Ave., Englewood Cliffs, NJ 07632; 800-621-2013;
www.helenecurtis.com

Henkel (Schwarzkopf & Dep)
The Triad, Ste., 200, 220 Renaissance Blvd., Gulph Mills, PA 19406; 610-270-8100; www.henkel.com

Johnson & Johnson (Aveeno, Clean & Clear, Neutrogena)
1 Johnson & Johnson Plz., New Brunswick, NJ 08933; 908-524-0400;
www.jnj.com

Kimberly-Clark Corp. (Huggies, Kleenex, Kotex, Scott Paper)
P.O. Box 619100, Dallas, TX 75261-9100; 800-544-1847;
www.kimberly-clark.com

Lamaur (ColorSoft, PermaSoft)
5601 E. River Rd., Fridley, MN 55432-6198; 612-571-1234; www.lamaur.com

Lever Bros. (Unilever)
800 Sylvan Ave., Englewood Cliffs, NJ 07632; 212-888-1260; 800-598-1223;
www.unilever.com

L'Oréal U.S.A.,
575 Fifth Ave., NewYork, NY 10017; 212-818-1500; www.lorealcosmetics.com


Max Factor (Procter & Gamble)
One Procter & Gamble Plz., Cincinnati, OH 45202; 513-983-1100; 800-543-1745;
www.maxfactor.com

Mead
Courthouse Pl. N.E., Dayton, OH 45463; 937-495-3312;
www.mead.com

Melaleuca
3910 S. Yellowstone Hwy., Idaho Falls, ID 83402-6003; 208-522-0700;
www.melaleuca.com

Mennen Co. (Colgate-Palmolive)
E. Hanover Avenue, Morristown, NJ 07962; 201-631-9000;
www.colgate.com


Neoteric Cosmetics
4880 Havana St., Denver, CO 80239-0019; 303-373-4860


Noxell (Procter & Gamble)
11050 York Rd., Hunt Valley, MD 21030-2098; 410-785-7300; 800-572-3232;
www.pg.com


Olay Co./Oil of Olay (Procter & Gamble)
P.O. Box 599, Cincinnati, OH 45201; 800-543-1745;
www.oilofolay.com


*Oral-B (Gillette Company)
600 Clipper Dr., Belmont, CA 94002-4119; 415-598-5000;
www.oralb.com


Pantene (Procter & Gamble)
Procter & Gamble Plz., Cincinnati, OH 45202; 800-945-7768;
www.pantene.com

Parfums International (White Shoulders)
1345 Ave. of the Americas, New York, NY 10105; 212-261-1000

*Parker Pens (Gillette Company)
P.O. Box 5100, Janesville, WI 53547-5100; 608-755-7000;


Pfizer (BenGay, Desitin, Listerene, Lubriderm, Plax, Schick, Visine)
235 E. 42nd St., New York, NY 10017-5755; 212-573-2323;
www.pfizer.com

Physique (Procter & Gamble)
One Procter & Gamble Plz., Cincinnati, OH 45202; 800-214-8957; www.physique.com

Playtex Products (Baby Magic, Banana Boat)
300 Nyala Farms Rd., Westport, CT 06880; 203-341-4000;
www.playtex.com

Procter & Gamble Co. (Clairol, Cover Girl, Crest, Giorgio, Iams, Max Factor, Physique, Tide)
One Procter & Gamble Plz., Cincinnati, OH 45202; 513-983-1100; 800-543-1745;
www.pg.com

Reckitt Benckiser (Coty, Lysol, Mop & Glo, Resolve, Spray 'N Wash, Woolite)
1655 Valley Rd., Wayne, NJ 07474-0943; 973-633-3600; 800-232-9665;
www.reckittbenckiser.com

Richardson-Vicks (Procter & Gamble)
One Procter & Gamble Plaza, Cincinnati, OH 45202; 513-983-1100; 800-543-1745;
www.pg.com

Sally Hansen (Del Laboratories)
565 Broad Hollow Rd., Farmingdale, NY 11735; 516-293-7070; 800-645-9888;
www.sallyhansen.com

Sanofi (Oscar de la Renta, Yves Saint Laurent)
90 Park Ave., 24th Fl., New York, NY 10016; 212-551-4757

Schering-Plough (Bain de Soleil, Coppertone, Dr. Scholl's)
1 Giralda Farms, Madison, NJ 07940-1000; 201-822-7000; 800-842-4090;
www.sch-plough.com

Schick (Pfizer)
201 Tabor Rd., Morris Plains, NJ 07950; 201-540-2000; 800-492-1555;
www.pfizer.com

S.C. Johnson (Drano, Fantastik, Glade, Pledge, Shout, Windex, Ziploc)
1525 Howe St., Racine, WI 53403; 414-260-2000; 800-558-5252;
www.scjohnson.com

SoftSoap Enterprises (Colgate-Palmolive)
300 Park Ave., New York, NY 10022; 800-221-4607;
www.colgate.com

Suave (Unilever)
800 Sylvan Ave., Englewood Cliffs, NJ 07632; 212-888-1260; 800-782-8301;
www.suave.com

3M (Post-It, Scotch)
Center Bldg., 220-2E-02, St. Paul, MN 55144-1000; 612-733-1110; 800-364-3577;
www.3m.com

Unilever (Calvin Klein, Diversey, Helene Curtis, Lever Bros., Mentadent, Suave)
800 Sylvan Ave., Englewood Cliffs, NJ 07632; 212-888-1260; 800-598-1223;
www.unilever.com

Vidal Sassoon (Procter & Gamble)
P.O. Box 599, Cincinnati, OH 45201; 800-543-7270;
www.pg.com