Attention, bodybuilders: cheap whey protein!

[cremefilled]

A long while back, I started some threads on "bodybuilder chow," discussing the best places to find cheap bodybuilding supplements. (We hot-dealers may be frugal, but some of us like to stay in shape.) Alas, some of the best places for supplement bargains, such as shopping.com and the 50% webrx.com coupons, have dried up along with other fondly remembered hot deals (valueamerica...sigh...).

I have found one site that looks like it has an incredible deal, but I'm a bit suspicious of the source, so let me know what you think. If you go to kcprocurement.com, you will find 80%whey protein concentrate at the rather incredible price of $120.00 for 44 lbs.--shipping included!

But things look a bit questionable. As I type this, only 508 people have visited the home page. And when you go to check out, it's not a secure connection, and the "Verza" shopping agent lists "http://onefourbutanediol.tripod.com/onefourbutanediol/index.html" as the source. For those not in the know, 1-4 butanediol is an analogue of GHB (which converts to GHB in the body) that remains legal because it is an important industrial solvent.

Let me know what you think, or if you place an order.

Whey protein typically starts at about $5/lb., with proteinfactory.com having a slightly lower price. If you have questions about protein, btw, check out proteinfactory's website. Shipping is usually somewhat expensive because of the bulk and the weight. I personally buy whey from proteinfactory and Ultimate brand from DPSnutrition.

 

[isekii]

when it comes to your body.. you dont want to cheap out~

especially if it's comsumable~~

I always get the best items.. when it's something that goes into my body~

 

[blizzardo]

At 44lbs storage becomes an issue. I order from proteinfactory.com at 5lb intervals. I'm closeby so shipping isn't much of an issue. A hot deal at proteinfactory.com is their monthly formula, where they sell more expensive formulas at a discount.

 

[maxcom]

JBN

 

[NOoDleWoRld]

Looks ghetto... i've been workin out for a lil while now and i stick to TUNA and chicken mostly. watever works for u. but im asian and i cant live without my rice .. and that rice is killin me. haha MERRY CHRISTMAS!@!@ people

 

[DRDEATH]

owhhh, I'm so Big I cont wipe my arss...:Q

 

[ander]

I'm planning on doing another tub of 5lbs from musclesurf.com
100% whey for 30.99, 100% Natural whey for 25.99.

 

[Dolemite69]

How do you guys suggest going about taking this stuff? I'm 6'3 170 lbs and was wanting to ADD at least 10 maybe 15 more lbs of weight... I was thinking about loading some creatine... That's helped me gain small amounts of weight in the past... Is this whey protein better suited to my goals/needs?

 

[cubanx]

Whey isolate helps with Muscle Growth and Recovery... any weight you put on would be from muscle growth since muscle weigh's more then fat. If you you don't workout don't expect any gains. ( Just an FYI )

 

[ander]

Yeah, that's right. You gotta work out or the gains will be almost unseen or not solid. Creatine will help only as long as you're loading. Once you stop...you shrink.

 

[Dolemite69]

Yea, I would definately be working out while using any supplements.. Just wondering which would be better... Creatine or protein... or both?

 

[ashneel]

i dont wanna die.

get it.

 

[kimchee411]

<< Yea, I would definately be working out while using any supplements.. Just wondering which would be better... Creatine or protein... or both? >>



I find that creatine helps give you more strength and stamina in your workouts whereas protein helps your muscles grow. Both are great - they're the only 2 supplements I use.

 

[XFreebie]

and if u use em w/o excercising... ya get fat

 

[mboy]

First of all, protein isnt a supplement. It isTHE most important nutrient for building muscle. Dont expect to eat it and get big. Dont expect to get big even if you pump in 1 gram of testosterone into your ass each week without lifting heavy, eating a lot of food and resting. It doesnt come over nite and has to be consistent and you need to devote your time to it in one way or another 24/7 or it wont work.
That being said, Whey Protein Concentrate is the cheapest crap you can buy. It's garbage. Go to protein factory and get yourself the penta-pro. Best blend you can get (5 different types of proteins mixed) and it is somewhere in the $6/lb range!

 

[onegauss]

I'd agree with mboy. You need to work out consistently. You can't develop muscles just by filling yourself with random supplements. This protein doesn't look great either.

 

[blizzardo]

Tuna in cans is prolly the best bang for the buck as fasr as protein goes. BUT mercury content in fish is hazzardous to your health. Doctors advise against eating large fish (eg. tuna) for pregnant women. So I try not to eat too much Tuna.

Peanut butter is another good and fun source, but fat content is an issue.

Chicken is great but cost and preparation time is the issue.

As fas as protein powders go, cost and taste is the issue.

This thread is going OT fast. Try Testosterone Magazine? and Mens Health Forum.

 

[cremefilled]

Speaking of Protein Factory's "formula of the month," you will find it here. That's a good page to bookmark, as they often have closeout type items. The current formula they are listing looks like a great buy, but it apparently expired on Dec. 22.

As far as whey protein concentrate being "cheap crap" and "garbage," I definitely disagree. It is generally the lowest priced protein powder on the market, true, but that doesn't mean that it is low quality. You will find that using whichever evaluation standard that you want, such as PER (protein efficiency ratio) or BV (biological value), whey protein is higher--sometimes much higher--than any "whole food" protein you could name, such as turkey, chicken, fish, egg whites, beef, etc. It is also convenient (very quick to slug down a shake) and tastes good.

Whey concentrate is generally 75-80% total protein by weight, and that is something that you have to pay attention to the label for. Many companies add in cheap fillers, like maltodextrin or some type of sugar; look for 22 or 23 grams of protein per 28.3 g serving, and make sure you are comparing standardized serving sizes! For example, I was just pricing "5lbs. + 1lb. free" protein from Human Development, and it turns out that they are adding in a bunch of empty carb calories, which cost them next to nothing. Human Development scam protein

I guess that's a "free" pound of table sugar mixed in with the five pounds of whey. :frown:

Whey does have some lactose, so if you are lactose intolerant, that is something to consider. Whey isolate costs a lot more, but it is also a higher percentage of protein, and can be made lactose free.

Creatine is so cheap that it is almost free (maybe $0.10 a day for 5 g), so there is no reason to take an "either/or" stance unless you are really hard up for money.

 

[mboy]

Whey protein concentrate is cheap for a reason. Compared to some of the isolates, it has an inferior amino acid profile and a lower biological value. That's why it is much cheaper. I think Whey concentrate definately has it's place, but should not be the sole ingredient of a protein formula.
As a former NPC competitive bodybuilder, I stand by recommendation of the Penta Pro from protein factory, it contains a blend of different proteins and you get the best of all worlds from the various sources of protein. Biological value, amino profile and rate of absorption.

Regarding peanutbutter. It is a Good source of protein and is high in fat, however if you get the right kind(natural peanutbutter, not skippy, jiff, etc) then it contains only mono-unsaturated fats which your organs and brain use and is not easily converted into bodyfat.
When I used to diet down, I would cut my carbs to almost nill for a period of time and replace those calories with mono-unsaturated fats from peanuts, flax/saflower oil etc.

Muscle mass is also a product of genetics, that is THE SINGLE BIGGEST factor in determining how big your muscles are, the shape of them, etc.

After genetics, its diet, training, rest and then on the highly competitive level, drugs.
Dont let anyone tell you otherwise, 99% of people who you see that are freaky big or bigger and leaner then everyone else use some type of performance enhancing drug. Even smaller guys like NBA, MLB players are on it too, oh an Olympic athletes, they are ALL on drugs (since 1958 or so). Dont forget about the NFL, 90% of those guys are on stuff too (they are notrious for using a lot). Dont let the drug tets fool you either, they are a JOKE to pass.
BUT, on the flipside, dont think you can take drugs and then all of the sudden get big. Drugs are a small part of it. The dedication to training, diet and rest are the MUCH bigger factors. Without them, you will go no where in a hurry!

 

[mboy]

Oh, and cremefilled, I am not talking about Whey being inferior in itself, I mean the concentrate version of it. They various isolates and hydrolized formats are GREAT. I believe the penta pro has WPC and hydrolized so the bulk of it is whey protein. BUt there are many benefits to the soy (gluatmine content which is higher then in whey) and from casienate which has a much slower absorption time so the protein doesnt get broken down to quickly and passed right thru your body without being absorbed.

 

[buang-jam]

Whey protein concentrates are fine as long as you stick with a reputable company. It is just a supplement to food though. Eat big, Lift big, Get big......is the KISS formula to making gains in strength and BB.

Eat meals loaded with protein, a can of tuna a day isn't going to kill you by $$ or mercury. Use chicken breast and lean red meats. Before you hit the sack at night, eat a couple servings of lowfat cottage cheese. Casein protein slow to digest and your body gets to feed on it longer while you're sleeping. Go ahead and eat that Peanut Butter. Just make sure it's natural. Peanuts and Salt should be the ingredients. You're body needs good fats to work properly.

Use whey protein within 1 hr (30 min preferably) of your workout. It's fast absorbing and your body wants it then....not 2hrs later when you sit down to a meal. Take your creatine within 10 to 20 min from your workout. Put it (5 to 10 gms) with some POWDER gatorade in a bottle, and carry it to the gym with you. Hit your last set and hit the water fountain. Mix it and bottoms up. A lot better deal than those energy drinks you buy at the gym. (total cost approx 25cents)

My hot deal since we're in that forum. Get your gatorade at Sam's club. $8plus for the 76.5 oz can of powder. Makes 9 gallons or 144 servings. The powder is better because they use dextrose. Better carrier for that creatine than that corn syrup crap in the liquid form. Plus you don't want your creatine sitting in liquid becoming waste product while you're working out. Try vitaglo.com for supps. (creatine and whey) Free shipping on purchases over $20. EAS Simply Whey 5lb container shipped to your door. $25.97

You say it cost too much to buy supps and eat right. Well..... your butt better not be spending $4 to $5 out there buying your favorite value meal. A can of tuna, baked potato, and some veggies should cost you about a buck. You could put the rest into something that helps your body. You can have a protein shake (milk and whey) flavored in chocalate, strawberry or vanilla for about 55 cents.

Last but certainly not the least. If you're serious about making good gains. Get your rest. BodyBuilding is diet, proper rest and workout, In that order.(IMHO) Get to bed and don't sit up till 1am waiting for worthless sales to appear from Companys like ........ You know what I mean.
JC

 

[TOFUguY]

just kidding

 

[JohnnyBallGame]

cremefilled is spot on.

I don't think that mboy is correct about the amino acid profile of wpc. If you looked at the aap of wpc next to wpi, it shouldn't be any different (on a % protein basis). The only real difference between the concentrate and the isolate is protein content (and lactose and mineral content). Concentrate will fall into the 70-80 % protein range, while isolate will be in the 90-95% range. Biological Value for the protein portion of each should be the same also. For body building purposes, I believe WPC would work just fine.

John

 

[nallur]

www.vitamin-planet.com has some pretty decent prices and good shipping costs.
I picked up some Optimum Nutrition whey and have been quite satisfied with it.

 

[buang-jam]

Tuna is Soy??? You mean like netted in a soybean field or what?? Or is it, fish meat is made from beans? I may be ignorant but I just don't get it.