Attempted to make a manager look bad
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Printer Bandit
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Capt Caveman
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You don't call out a superior, especially to the whole company. If I was your boss or the VP, I'd fire you immediately.
edit - have an issue, tell your manager and have him deal with it. Look like nothing but an immature/unprofessional twat.
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how do I sound horrible?
this guy is managing a huge client and just hours before we're sending out the final report he's making retarded mistakes and then getting pissed at me for pointing them out. I was always nice to him and always took his shit because he was higher up than me.
I asked my boss who shits all over this guy, I asked a senior engineer, and I asked several other people before deciding to send out an email. They all said he's a dick and they wouldn't take that from him.
Capt Caveman
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Then why hasn't the VP fired him? If he goes to the VP to discuss problems with you and others, the VP must not think poorly of him or he'd get rid of him.
Sorry, but there was nothing professional or respectable about your email. Again, if you're going to be that disrespectful, I'd get rid of you.
Sorry, but there was nothing professional or respectable about your email. Again, if you're going to be that disrespectful, I'd get rid of you.
IHateMyJob2004
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People aove him probably know about his issues.
I'm 13 years into my career and you'd be surprised about how higher ups will say "oh, that's John being John" if you bring it up in a politically correct manner. I've had supervisors say this along with peers.
Just do what you have to do to get your career on the right path. Don't worry about other peoples "problems". No one is perfect.
When people shit like this on you, talk to peers around you. You'd be surprised how unnecessary your e-mail was. t is just reiterating what everyone already knows.
I'm 13 years into my career and you'd be surprised about how higher ups will say "oh, that's John being John" if you bring it up in a politically correct manner. I've had supervisors say this along with peers.
Just do what you have to do to get your career on the right path. Don't worry about other peoples "problems". No one is perfect.
When people shit like this on you, talk to peers around you. You'd be surprised how unnecessary your e-mail was. t is just reiterating what everyone already knows.
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My first rule is to never do anything remotely risky in email, for any reason. I don't think, given the situation as you've described it, that you came off as poorly as CaptCaveman thinks you did. But a word in private to your boss about the offensive tone of the PMs email would have been sufficient.
My boss advised me to retort back.
My boss has more power than anybody in our division, without him our entire division would crumble. He knows this project manager is absolute garbage, and even though he finds tons of mistakes in the guy's work, he never says anything because he doesn't shit on people for no reason. I don't either but seriously, nobody stands up to this guy.
If I get in trouble for it my boss and EVERYONE in my division would have my back.
pauldun170
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That was unprofessional and I would be embarrassed to have my name attached to an email like this.
Dirty politics in general are not worthy of a professional designation.. If you dont want to get stepped on I assume profesionalism isn't the priority
I don't agree with most of the posters here, but I still don't think you went about this the right way. The email was passive aggressive. If you want to "out" this guys bad behavior, do it to his is face in front of others in a "you're nobody, learn your place" sort of way. What you did was not just passive aggressive, but had a large dose of tattling as well, which you stated was a major fault of his own.
Nobody likes slimy, ass-kissing pricks. Don't turn into one yourself.
Nobody likes slimy, ass-kissing pricks. Don't turn into one yourself.
If you got such a problem with this guy man the fuck up without having to bring the higher ups into it. Tell him exactly what you think. Then if he decides to go whine your boss/s well either look the other way (win for you) or they won't (obviously you were wrong).
Also how is a shit bag non replaceable? Is he on contract or does he actually do more then what you're saying?
Also how is a shit bag non replaceable? Is he on contract or does he actually do more then what you're saying?
OP has been working for 1 year. Most young worker bees think they, and their co-workers, are irreplaceable. All of them are dead wrong.
Elixer
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That don't make sense. If he knows the project manager is absolute garbage, then why hasn't he canned them ?
If he has abused his powers in the past, then, I am sure there is paper/e-mail trail everyone can look at, so, you bring that to your boss as a concerned employee, and see what he has to say.
If *everyone* has issues with that guy, then you ALL go to the boss and talk to him about it.
Doing CCs is silly, (unless that is the normal process) and it just makes you out to be petty, even if he deserves every word you told them.
marmasatt
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This is actually really good advice. It's hard to grasp at first because it's human instinct to shoot back and let someone know that you won't be walked on - regardless of the exact power hierarchy. I have made this mistake twice in 10 yrs but I'm just about done. I recently sent an email sharing my opinion to a superior and had the superior tell me "you made a big mistake in sending me this." Rather ominous, isn't it? It's just not worth it.
Remember the old IRA mantra that goes something like this: "Never write what you can say. Never say what you can nod."
Tweak155
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This reminds me of one time years ago I sent an e-mail to a peer making a suggestion. Basically there were 2 shifts per day since we covered 24 hrs and each shift lead had to give a report. He was the night shift and RAGGED the day crew in his daily report. I was accidentally copied on the report (they were only supposed to go to supervisors) so I just replied DIRECTLY TO HIM something like "try and keep in mind we are a team and we likely struggled just as much in the day as you did at night. We should have each other's backs" etc.
Well the douche bag replied back and copied all the supervisors and replied back stating how I didn't know anything and this and that and just called me out.
Later on I talked to one of the supervisors (weeks or months later at this point) and he was like "Yeah all the supervisors understood what you were saying and we just let it go" aka they didn't reply to either of us.
Ragging on someone never makes you look BETTER, it only makes you look WORSE.
Well the douche bag replied back and copied all the supervisors and replied back stating how I didn't know anything and this and that and just called me out.
Later on I talked to one of the supervisors (weeks or months later at this point) and he was like "Yeah all the supervisors understood what you were saying and we just let it go" aka they didn't reply to either of us.
Ragging on someone never makes you look BETTER, it only makes you look WORSE.
brianmanahan
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