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EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: JohnCU
I'm a college student who has a job in South Carolina, but during the summer had an internship in North Carolina (where I made a substantial amount of money, $7200).

1. Can I still use 1040EZ?
2. Will I get most of the money back?
3. If my mom claims me, does that mean I can't deduct my books, tuition, etc on my taxes?

1) Competely dependant on #3
2) Dependant on other circumstances. You will have to do the return and find out.
3) If your mother claims you, then you must file as a dependant. You will not get the advantage of the educational credits - your mother will take them instead.

 

JohnCU

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: JohnCU
I'm a college student who has a job in South Carolina, but during the summer had an internship in North Carolina (where I made a substantial amount of money, $7200).

1. Can I still use 1040EZ?
2. Will I get most of the money back?
3. If my mom claims me, does that mean I can't deduct my books, tuition, etc on my taxes?

1) Competely dependant on #3
2) Dependant on other circumstances. You will have to do the return and find out.
3) If your mother claims you, then you must file as a dependant. You will not get the advantage of the educational credits - your mother will take them instead.

Thank you.
 

Yossarian

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Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: Yossarian
Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: Yossarian
thanks for your help! here's another one for you. if I bought a computer 2 years ago for biz purposes and started depreciating it over 5 years, am I under any obligation to continue the depreciation this year? can it just "disappear" from this return without showing any gain or loss?

generally only if you sell it or write it off as obsolete. if you don't mind me asking, why would you not want to include the depreciation?

I parted it out and sold & traded bits here and there, and bought pretty much an entirely new system last Jan. I think it would be easier to just forget about the old system and start fresh with depreciation on the new one.

btw turbotax's auto depreciation is messed up. form 2106, line 35 is $844, line 37 is $1041. line 38, enter the smaller of these two, it puts $1041 :confused:


I'll have to get back to you on the form 2106 when I get home, but as far as the assets you should have calculated a gain/loss on the sale of your depreciable asset, then showed new depreciation with the new asset. It doesn't sound like you handled the asset accounting correctly.


I think I figured out TurboTax's problem with line 38. If on the worksheet page you don't check the box for "use IRS MACRS tables" it doesn't work right.
 

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: mugs
Can I take money out of a Roth IRA with no penalty if I'm using it to purchase my first home?

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc428.html">IRS - FAQ - Roth IRA Distributions
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A qualified distribution is generally, any payment or distribution made after the 5?taxable?year period beginning with the first year for which a contribution was made to a Roth IRA set up for you, and that is made on or after you reach age 59 1/2, made because you are disabled, made to a beneficiary or to your estate after your death, or that is made to buy, build, or rebuild a first home.

A distribution used to buy, build or rebuild a first home must be used to pay qualified costs for the main home of a first time home buyer who is either yourself, your spouse, or you or your spouse's child, grandchild, parent, or other ancestor. When added to all your prior qualified first?time homebuyer distributions, if any, the total distributions cannot be more than $10,000.

Part of any distribution that is not a qualified distribution may be taxable as ordinary income and subject to the additional 10% tax on early distributions. Distributions of conversion contributions within a 5?year period following a conversion may be subject to the 10% early distribution tax, even if the contributions have been included as income in an earlier year. Refer to Topic 558 , Early Distributions from IRA's, for more information.

Thanks for the help. Apparantly I can't, because I've only had my IRA for a year.
 

austin316

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If I sold shares of stock for which I held for many years (capital gains), can I file with TeleFile, or must I use a different way? I only worked part-time and made about 8,000.

Further, if I can't telefile, can I use 1040A? My question is because of "Capital gain distributions, but no other capital gains or losses." Is the selling of the stock a distribution?

Finally, where do I go to e-file? I'm looking for the cheapest and quickest way to do it. Thanks.


Thanks.
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: austin316
If I sold shares of stock for which I held for many years (capital gains), can I file with TeleFile, or must I use a different way? I only worked part-time and made about 8,000.

Further, if I can't telefile, can I use 1040A? My question is because of "Capital gain distributions, but no other capital gains or losses." Is the selling of the stock a distribution?

Finally, where do I go to e-file? I'm looking for the cheapest and quickest way to do it. Thanks.


Thanks.

I do not think that Telefile will allow anything but a simplistic return. Anything that requires schedules will not work.

Use an on-line site if you want to. You will need to compute the capital gains for the Schedule B.

 
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My dad's looking into self employment in central Texas. I know how to figure the federal/state taxes allready, but wanted some insite to the best way for him to pay his Social Security tax.
 

Noirish

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WHY WHY WHY!?
I can't believe I still have to pay $365 for FED and $102 for ST.
1 income, some interest, and limited stock...
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: lobadobadingdong
My dad's looking into self employment in central Texas. I know how to figure the federal/state taxes allready, but wanted some insite to the best way for him to pay his Social Security tax.

In Texas there is no state income tax. There may be some business taxes though.
For self employment, the SS tax becomes included within the calculations. for Federal
For those that are fully self employed, the tax is due quarterly.

SS tax for self employed is twice what you pay as an employee. You are now paying the employers share also.

However, the SS tax that is payed for self-empoyment is not retaxed as Federal Income.

 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: Noirish
WHY WHY WHY!?
I can't believe I still have to pay $365 for FED and $102 for ST.
1 income, some interest, and limited stock...

W2 withholding may not be accurate, did you pay the taxes up fron on the stock, etc.

Many times, one gets additioanl taxable income but at the time does not worry about the taxes on it.

However, this way you got use of the extra $$ instead of the goverments using them.
Look at you return again to ensure that you did not overlook something.

 
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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: lobadobadingdong
My dad's looking into self employment in central Texas. I know how to figure the federal/state taxes allready, but wanted some insite to the best way for him to pay his Social Security tax.

In Texas there is no state income tax. There may be some business taxes though.
For self employment, the SS tax becomes included within the calculations. for Federal
For those that are fully self employed, the tax is due quarterly.

SS tax for self employed is twice what you pay as an employee. You are now paying the employers share also.

However, the SS tax that is payed for self-empoyment is not retaxed as Federal Income.
State taxes are a sales tax.
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: lobadobadingdong
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: lobadobadingdong
My dad's looking into self employment in central Texas. I know how to figure the federal/state taxes allready, but wanted some insite to the best way for him to pay his Social Security tax.

In Texas there is no state income tax. There may be some business taxes though.
For self employment, the SS tax becomes included within the calculations. for Federal
For those that are fully self employed, the tax is due quarterly.

SS tax for self employed is twice what you pay as an employee. You are now paying the employers share also.

However, the SS tax that is payed for self-empoyment is not retaxed as Federal Income.
State taxes are a sales tax.

Self employment by itself will not generate a sales tax.
If you are running a business and have mechandise that is subject to sales tax, then the timing of those payments to the state falls under the state rules.

 

Maestro42

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I am attending graduate school and my company gives me 100% reimbursement for the tuition. I took two classes in the fall which cost $6,320. I received the reimbursement from my company in two seperate checks mid January. One was for $5,250 (tax free) the other was for $500 and change (taxes taken out). I received a form 1098-T from my school for 2004 for the 6,320. Couple of questions:

1. Since I paid the tuition in 2004 but was reimbursed in 2005, can I use the LLC?
2. If I can't use the LLC, how do I get the money back the government took out of the second check as taxes? I was under the impression that if the class is directly related to my job (it is) that I get the full amount back.
3. Even if I'm not supposed to take the LLC and I do, how will Uncle Sam find out? Does my company report it to the govt?
 

EagleKeeper

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Strictly by the letter of the law, you can use the LLC in 2004.

You will have to declare all the checks received from your employer as income in 2005. that will add up to additional income tax possibly for you in 2005. (Due to a possible increase in overall income level.)

Your best bet would be to talk to your employer and see about getting the taxes withheld in the 05 check returned to you. If not, find out why. They stated that your were to be re-embursed for all the tutition; by withholding taxes, it seems to not be the case.
There may be some tax rule limit that forces the issue.

The situation with taking the LLC and it not being valid is that
1) If you get audited you will have to show that you did take the classes. No problem.
2) The emplyer takes an exemption against the payments made to you. IF the governemnt checks at all with your employer and/or perfomrs an audit on the emplyer, you could get caught.
 

Gooose

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ok so i have a work study job, and there was taxes withheld

my question is - how do i get the money back? refund?

i do not make enough to file for taxes, but it said on my W2 that "if you do not plan to file, still file for the refund"

what should i do?

all together with two jobs, it might come out to be like 50 bucks?

Thanks
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: Gooose
ok so i have a work study job, and there was taxes withheld

my question is - how do i get the money back? refund?

i do not make enough to file for taxes, but it said on my W2 that "if you do not plan to file, still file for the refund"

what should i do?

all together with two jobs, it might come out to be like 50 bucks?

Thanks
One can always make enough to file.

The key question is should you file?
Answer:
Yes - If you will owe taxes.
Yes - If uncle owes you money and you want it.
Yes - If you do not want Unlce looking over your shoulder wondering why you did not file when you had reporteded income.

Now, how will you know the answer to the first two unless you actually start the paperwork.
Once the paperwork is filled out, then you can decide if getting any money back due to you is worth the time to print out, sign and mail the form in.

 

lykaon78

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Problem:
Is this an educator expense, schedule A job expense (line 20), next year deduction, or neither.

Basics:
My wife is a teacher. This summer (2005) she is teaching a elective class on marine biology that she has volunteered to teach (unpaid). It involves two weeks of class room study and 1 week of field research in the Bahamas at a nature perserve. She may or may not be eligible for CE credit (still waiting to hear).

This year she has made a down payment for the airfare and lodging.

Question:
Should I list the down payment on as an educator expense on 1040 line 23, as a itemized deduction on line 20 of the Schedule A or save it and carry the expense over to next year?

Or is this even a eligible expense?

Thanks for the help.



 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: lykaon78
Problem:
Is this an educator expense, schedule A job expense (line 20), next year deduction, or neither.

Basics:
My wife is a teacher. This summer (2005) she is teaching a elective class on marine biology that she has volunteered to teach (unpaid). It involves two weeks of class room study and 1 week of field research in the Bahamas at a nature perserve. She may or may not be eligible for CE credit (still waiting to hear).

This year she has made a down payment for the airfare and lodging.

Question:
Should I list the down payment on as an educator expense on 1040 line 23, as a itemized deduction on line 20 of the Schedule A or save it and carry the expense over to next year?

Or is this even a eligible expense?

Thanks for the help.

The expenses will show on the 2005 tax year. Down payments are not expenses.
Being that the class is as a volunteer, it essentially becomes a charity item.
There are entries for expenses incurred for a charity. This is where the expenses should be listed.
She will need to keep track (documented) of all expenses incurred regarding this class.
Expenses incurred in preparing for the class before hand. ie. communication costs (phone/internet), medical services, passport expenses, transportation, advance clothing required for trip/class, bug repellant, film, etc.
Expenses while on site. ie account for every penny that is spent no matter how small; Lodging, meals, laundry, phones, transportation, bank fees for money access, tips, supplies for class, clothing purchased along with items already identified above.
Also, keep track of any expenses similar to the preparation items, when she returns.

Note that the clothing deduction must not be for items that can be used normally back at home.

Items purchased regarding the trip that could be utilized with the teaching job at home should be placed under the educator credit. However, use this credit for normal educational expenses first. It is easy for a teacher to rack up of $250 out of their pocket.

There should be no need to tap into the trip expenses to fill the educator line item expense.

The other thing to consider, is that some of the expenses could be classified as Form 2106 expenses.

The charity route may not have as large tax benefit as using the 2106 route.

You will need to try both and find out.

If you have Tax S/W then after you do the 2004 taxes, create two dummy set of returns and experiment with putting the costs (estimate in general terms) in the Charity item list and then the Form 2106 method.

That will allow you to understand which may have a better tax beneift and also alert you to what to make sure what should tracked as expenses.

 

Gooose

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: Gooose
ok so i have a work study job, and there was taxes withheld

my question is - how do i get the money back? refund?

i do not make enough to file for taxes, but it said on my W2 that "if you do not plan to file, still file for the refund"

what should i do?

all together with two jobs, it might come out to be like 50 bucks?

Thanks
One can always make enough to file.

The key question is should you file?
Answer:
Yes - If you will owe taxes.
Yes - If uncle owes you money and you want it.
Yes - If you do not want Unlce looking over your shoulder wondering why you did not file when you had reporteded income.

Now, how will you know the answer to the first two unless you actually start the paperwork.
Once the paperwork is filled out, then you can decide if getting any money back due to you is worth the time to print out, sign and mail the form in.


what forms would i need?

and does it cost money to do it?

Thanks

and no i dont need to file

but they do have money of mine
 

EagleKeeper

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If you are low income, then look at TurboTax/Web.
You should be able to qualify for free filing.
The S/W will hold you hand and ask you all thr relevant questions needed.
 

TrueBlueLS

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What exactly is the definition of a dependent? My parents had their taxes done today and were told that I could not be claimed as a dependent at the age of 22 because I was not in college full time last year. Can someone give me some insight into this?
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: TrueBlueLS
What exactly is the definition of a dependent? My parents had their taxes done today and were told that I could not be claimed as a dependent at the age of 22 because I was not in college full time last year. Can someone give me some insight into this?


Do a quick search of the IRS Web site for Uncle's definition of dependant.

A general accepted definition is that after 18 and out of school, you are no longer needing to be a dependant.

Special circumstances may apply, however, those usually is for disabilites.