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spidey07

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: spidey07
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Have W2-G that was filed when I took about 2K from casino in 2004.

Have about 3K of winning pony tickets that I haven't cashed from 2004 (they all requie you to fill out a W2-G) to cash them, over 600 bucks each.

I didn't cash them because I figured I would cash them in 2005 and spread it out so to speak. Do I have to claim those winnings in 2004? I'm getting ready to cash them and don't want to claim them in 2004.

Gaming losses can offset winnings (as long as they can be documented).

Therefore the 2K in casino moneyh can be offset as income by declaring $2K in losses. You are not allowed to have losses greater than winnings.

With respect to the uncashed Pony ticket, it will be up to the track on how it is handled.

If they handle it as when the race occurred, then they count against 2004 income and will provide 2004 W2-G.

If they go by when the ticket was cashed, then it becomes 2005 income. You do not have control over it.

However, if you have had losses at the track, they can offset the winnings also.

If you file 2004 and then find out that the tickets belong in 2004 income, you will have to file a 1040X.

And if you try changing the gaming losses in the 1040X to offset the missing tickets , it will increase the chance of generating a red flag to the IRS.

Thanks, I plan on offsetting as much as possible with a stack of tickets and possible getting a win/loss statement from casino. Thanks again, guess I'll go ahead and cash them incase I get a 2004 W2-G that way not worrying about any correction or maybe sweet talking my way into a 2005 form.
 

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Thanks for the thread! I have a question: Can I deduct my student loan interest? I took it out from a canadian lender (RBC, in the form of a credit line). I'm making payments on it and according to pub 970 my education qualifies except for the section on page 26 where it says you're eligigble if your school school was eligible to participate in a student aid program administered by the Deapartment of Education. My school was ITI (It's kind of a post-grad IT diploma thing). They had no US schools at the time. I don't know if they were eligible, and the link in pub 970 does not work (tells you how to find out).

I guess my question is did my school have to participate at the time in this dept of education thing? If not, and I presume mine didn't, then I can get no money back?

If it is not considered to be a valid school according to the Fed School look-up ,you are out of luck (officially). ;)

However, there is no place that you need to enter the school code that the interest applies to.
 

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Thanks for the thread! I have a question: Can I deduct my student loan interest? I took it out from a canadian lender (RBC, in the form of a credit line). I'm making payments on it and according to pub 970 my education qualifies except for the section on page 26 where it says you're eligigble if your school school was eligible to participate in a student aid program administered by the Deapartment of Education. My school was ITI (It's kind of a post-grad IT diploma thing). They had no US schools at the time. I don't know if they were eligible, and the link in pub 970 does not work (tells you how to find out).

I guess my question is did my school have to participate at the time in this dept of education thing? If not, and I presume mine didn't, then I can get no money back?

If it is not considered to be a valid school according to the Fed School look-up ,you are out of luck (officially). ;)

However, there is no place that you need to enter the school code that the interest applies to.
Thanks - that answers it (it's not on there).

 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: spidey07
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Have W2-G that was filed when I took about 2K from casino in 2004.

Have about 3K of winning pony tickets that I haven't cashed from 2004 (they all requie you to fill out a W2-G) to cash them, over 600 bucks each.

I didn't cash them because I figured I would cash them in 2005 and spread it out so to speak. Do I have to claim those winnings in 2004? I'm getting ready to cash them and don't want to claim them in 2004.

Gaming losses can offset winnings (as long as they can be documented).

Therefore the 2K in casino moneyh can be offset as income by declaring $2K in losses. You are not allowed to have losses greater than winnings.

With respect to the uncashed Pony ticket, it will be up to the track on how it is handled.

If they handle it as when the race occurred, then they count against 2004 income and will provide 2004 W2-G.

If they go by when the ticket was cashed, then it becomes 2005 income. You do not have control over it.

However, if you have had losses at the track, they can offset the winnings also.

If you file 2004 and then find out that the tickets belong in 2004 income, you will have to file a 1040X.

And if you try changing the gaming losses in the 1040X to offset the missing tickets , it will increase the chance of generating a red flag to the IRS.

Thanks, I plan on offsetting as much as possible with a stack of tickets and possible getting a win/loss statement from casino. Thanks again, guess I'll go ahead and cash them incase I get a 2004 W2-G that way not worrying about any correction or maybe sweet talking my way into a 2005 form.

Sweet talking will not work.. They will operate according to the Federal regulations on reporting the income. I am sure that Uncle has a plan on how this must be handled.

Remember lottery losses are also able to offset winnings.

Ceasars will be happy to provide you with a statement from whatever tracking mechanism that you used with the betting and gaming.

I know of people, that if they hit a decent win, will scrounge around for losing tickts to play CYA.

 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: ub4me
Originally posted by: alent1234
Originally posted by: ub4me
Hi,

I began to work for a small local church as a secretary last year.
Since I have a little bit more computer skill and knowledge than others in my church, sometimes people ask me to fix their problematic computers, or install wireless router or home networking.
Then after I looked after their problems/setup, they usually gave me $50-$150 as gratitute even though I didn't ask any money.
It happned about 12 times last year, and its total is $1450.
My question is do I need to report it as income? If so, what kind of income category do I need to report ?
Thanks in advance for your time.

legally yes and I think it's in the other income or business income. then you can deduct anything you used to make that income.

in reality you would be a fool to do so since it's cash

I got it.
So, if I received it as check, I need to report those as "Other income" Right?

If it needs to be reported, then you have the choice.

Most businesses will log It work expenses as a business expense. should the IRS audit them, they can then start tracking down those payments to make sure that they are legit. Unraveling the expense to you, youi would then have to document that you filed them.

People that you do a favor for would not normally deduct such an expense, because it is personal, not business related.


As previously stated, if listing the income will increase your tax burdne, then look into the Form 2106 (if you iteminze) or a Schedule C for expenses to offset some of the declared income.
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: MSCoder610
Hi, hopefully this wasn't already answered, but none of the scholarship posts I saw quite applied to my situation.

I got a 1098-T from my university, showing $14,080 in scholarships for 2004, and $5817 for tuition and other qualified expenses.
I'm 18, and my mom still claims me as a dependent.
The online filing service I'm using right now, after I input my 1098T, puts all 14080 for taxable income, then puts the 5817 (which becomes 4000) as the education deduction. But, I'm not eligible for that, since someone claims me as a dependent.
If all $14080 is taxed and I can't deduct the tuition and such, I'd be paying a lot more taxes than I would expect.

Is what the service did correct (i.e. "tuition must be on the education deduction, which I can't claim"), or can I adjust the reported taxable income to (scholarships minus tuition/expenses) myself?

Thanks in advance, hopefully my question isn't too confusing.

The scholarship should be non-taxable unless indicated otherwise.

If it is, then unless your income from other sources requires you to file, then just let you parent claim you as a dependent. Because of the scholarship, the Hope Credit will not apply.

If the scholarship is classigfifed as taxcable, then you may be best to check with the local IRS on best to handle this issue.

You seem to have caught a crack in the Tax S/W system

 

MSCoder610

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Thanks for the response.
But, I was under the impression that all scholarships were now considered taxable income, less the tuition/expenses. That would give me a net taxable amount of around $8000-9000.
You're saying I don't need to file? It really seems like I do, since I'm sure the IRS is receiving the same 1098-T form from my university that I got.
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: MSCoder610
Thanks for the response.
But, I was under the impression that all scholarships were now considered taxable income, less the tuition/expenses. That would give me a net taxable amount of around $8000-9000.
You're saying I don't need to file? It really seems like I do, since I'm sure the IRS is receiving the same 1098-T form from my university that I got.

You will have to review how the scholarship(s) and the taxable definition(s) thereof are set up.

IRS - FAQ - Scholarships - Taxable
Qualified scholarships and fellowships are treated as tax-free amounts if all of the following conditions are met:

You are a candidate for a degree at an educational institution,
Amounts you receive as a scholarship or fellowship are used for tuition and fees required for enrollment or attendance at the educational institution, or for books, supplies, and equipment required for courses of instruction, and
The amounts received are not a payment for your services.

IRS - FAQ - Scholarships - Taxable
If any part of your scholarship or fellowship grant is taxable, you may have to make estimated tax payments. For more information refer to Topic 355 or to Publication 970 , Tax Benefits for Education.

As a dependant, the 9K becomes reduced after dependency exemption of $4850 to a taxable income of about $4K. Now figure out the tax on that.

Given your situation, contacting the IRS would be the best bet. Make sure that you record all pertinent information on who you talked with if they are able to assist you.

If you have to pay taxes, it makes no sense to use the on-line sites.

doing it on paper also allows you to actually determine what is being asked with relation to your situation.
 

alent1234

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Originally posted by: ub4me
Thanks. You are the man! :thumbsup:



unless you have some crazy amount of money in the bank that will give you a lot of interest income it's not going to raise red flags at the IRS. Banks report interest on form 1099-INT i think it is and then report it to the IRS. The IRS can look at the interest, the prevailing rates and figure out how much money you have in the bank and then look at your return and see if you are lying.

it sounds like big brother but in reality unless you are john gotti reporting $36,000 of income as a plumber you have nothing to worry about. your money is better served in your pocket instead of having the government give it to lazy scum
 

MSCoder610

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
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As a dependant, the 9K becomes reduced after dependency exemption of $4850 to a taxable income of about $4K. Now figure out the tax on that.

Given your situation, contacting the IRS would be the best bet. Make sure that you record all pertinent information on who you talked with if they are able to assist you.

If you have to pay taxes, it makes no sense to use the on-line sites.

doing it on paper also allows you to actually determine what is being asked with relation to your situation.

Yeah, I was considering doing it on paper... but I tried eSmartTax and it looks right. Total scholarship amounts $15173, minus 4000 max for tuition/fees, minus that dependency exemption $4850, to $6323 in taxable income and $633 in taxes.
 

badmouse

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I've already filed my taxes, so this is merely curiosity.

I was playing around with TurboTax by entering various amounts just for fun, and I discovered that if I were to lie and say that I earned $7711 in business income (rather than the real amount of $6220) I would get a refund $200 larger.

Presumably some odd place where self-employment taxes and earned income credit converge?

I could very easily say that I took in a bit more in cash. The question is, WHAT COULD THEY DO TO ME? With numbers this low, I don't even need reciepts - what would be the downside? Except for my conscience, of course.

 

z0mb13

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I have a question about the sales tax deduction.

I live in CA, and since I pay state income taxes, I can choose the sales tax deduction or the income tax deduction, right?

I bought a car in 2003, can I deduct the sales tax for this purchase now?

 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: z0mb13
I have a question about the sales tax deduction.

I live in CA, and since I pay state income taxes, I can choose the sales tax deduction or the income tax deduction, right?

I bought a car in 2003, can I deduct the sales tax for this purchase now?

Vehicle must be purchased in 2004 for the special line item to apply to the sale tax selection.

Also, if you take income tax deduction, you can not take the sales tax deduction.

 

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OK a quick quesiton. I submitted last night with taxcut and it was rejected because of a bad AIG from 2003. I can't find a better one. I managed to resubmit right now (will sign with paper). I made a very slight change between last night's rejection and this morning's submission. I think that since IRS rejected the first one that doesn't matter, right? I'd forgotten to deduct my car tax :)
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
OK a quick quesiton. I submitted last night with taxcut and it was rejected because of a bad AIG from 2003. I can't find a better one. I managed to resubmit right now (will sign with paper). I made a very slight change between last night's rejection and this morning's submission. I think that since IRS rejected the first one that doesn't matter, right? I'd forgotten to deduct my car tax :)


If an E-Filed return is rejected by your favorite Uncle, then none of the transmitted information is recorded.
You can start over with a clean slate and conscience. :evil;

w/ respect to the vehicle sales tax, the vehicle must have been purchased in 2004
 

zmatrix

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CPA, can one claim a dependant that is collecting SSI and SDI on my income tax return, and if I can, will it affect his benefits? Thnx.
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: zmatrix
CPA, can one claim a dependant that is collecting SSI and SDI on my income tax return, and if I can, will it affect his benefits? Thnx.

You have two seperate questions.

1) This disability dependant question was answered by myself in the post of 01/26/2005 09:43 AM.

2) How it affects the benefits of the dependent is not really a tax issue w/ respect to your return. You would have to find that answer from the SS office.


 

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Hey thanks - it wasn't actually the sales tax on the car, but rather the tax that I have to pay yearly for tagging the vehicles. On both it works out to $200 and it's based upon value of the car, so I put that in as a deduction. That's fine, right? Taxcut seemed to imply it was...

One thing I can't find out is if it's fine for Alabama...If it's legal in alabama what would I call it in the box next to where I'm writing it? "Annual vehicle tax"?

Hmm, now i wonder if I was allowed to do that for federal. I do pay annually, based on vehicle value, but taxcut says "The following states have deductible vehicle taxes or fees: Arizona, California (partial), Colorado, Connecticut, Georgia, Indiana, Iowa (partial), Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota (subtract $35), Mississippi, Montana (county option tax), Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire (partial), Washington (RTA), and Wyoming. " and AL isn't in that.
 

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I was a fulltime student for the first two months of '04. I graduated at the end of February. I'm wondering what I can do as far as student status on taxes.

Another thing I realized when I was looking over last years stuff was that I forgot to deduct one of my book expenses for the '03 filing year($500+). Is it possible for me to deduct that now? I've got proof(bank statements) of purchase or whatever. Just wondering if I can somehow tag that on this year or if I missed the ball on that one.
 

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Hey thanks - it wasn't actually the sales tax on the car, but rather the tax that I have to pay yearly for tagging the vehicles. On both it works out to $200 and it's based upon value of the car, so I put that in as a deduction. That's fine, right? Taxcut seemed to imply it was...

One thing I can't find out is if it's fine for Alabama...If it's legal in alabama what would I call it in the box next to where I'm writing it? "Annual vehicle tax"?

Hmm, now i wonder if I was allowed to do that for federal. I do pay annually, based on vehicle value, but taxcut says "The following states have deductible vehicle taxes or fees: Arizona, California (partial), Colorado, Connecticut, Georgia, Indiana, Iowa (partial), Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota (subtract $35), Mississippi, Montana (county option tax), Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire (partial), Washington (RTA), and Wyoming. " and AL isn't in that.

There are property taxes that one pays based on the value of a vehicle. sometimes it is a seperate bill, othertimes it is part of the registration fee. Those are deductible.
That is not the sales tax for vehicles that was implimented for 2004.

It is up to the state if they choose to cut you a break on there state income tax. Alabama does not think that you deserve a break today.
If you want a break today, better go to McDonalds :p
 

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Hey thanks - it wasn't actually the sales tax on the car, but rather the tax that I have to pay yearly for tagging the vehicles. On both it works out to $200 and it's based upon value of the car, so I put that in as a deduction. That's fine, right? Taxcut seemed to imply it was...

One thing I can't find out is if it's fine for Alabama...If it's legal in alabama what would I call it in the box next to where I'm writing it? "Annual vehicle tax"?

Hmm, now i wonder if I was allowed to do that for federal. I do pay annually, based on vehicle value, but taxcut says "The following states have deductible vehicle taxes or fees: Arizona, California (partial), Colorado, Connecticut, Georgia, Indiana, Iowa (partial), Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota (subtract $35), Mississippi, Montana (county option tax), Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire (partial), Washington (RTA), and Wyoming. " and AL isn't in that.

There are property taxes that one pays based on the value of a vehicle. sometimes it is a seperate bill, othertimes it is part of the registration fee. Those are deductible.
That is not the sales tax for vehicles that was implimented for 2004.

It is up to the state if they choose to cut you a break on there state income tax. Alabama does not think that you deserve a break today.
If you want a break today, better go to McDonalds :p
OK, so that $195 for my vehicles that I claimed on my federal was in error. It's already been filed, so I'll have to do an amended return, preferably prior to April, right? I will simply not claim it on the state, and file state according to as if I'd done my federal without having included this 195. That sounds about right? thanks :)

 

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Originally posted by: jtusa4
I was a fulltime student for the first two months of '04. I graduated at the end of February. I'm wondering what I can do as far as student status on taxes.

Another thing I realized when I was looking over last years stuff was that I forgot to deduct one of my book expenses for the '03 filing year($500+). Is it possible for me to deduct that now? I've got proof(bank statements) of purchase or whatever. Just wondering if I can somehow tag that on this year or if I missed the ball on that one.

You can deduct the tutition costs paid (not used) for 2004 as part of the Lifetime Learning Credit.

There is no student status when it comes to taxes.
You are a regular taxpayer that bends over to take the shaft just like everyone else.



You can file an 1040X form for your 2003 taxes to claim the books. If the books were paid for in 2003, then they should not be claimed on the 2004 return.

 

jtusa

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: jtusa4
I was a fulltime student for the first two months of '04. I graduated at the end of February. I'm wondering what I can do as far as student status on taxes.

Another thing I realized when I was looking over last years stuff was that I forgot to deduct one of my book expenses for the '03 filing year($500+). Is it possible for me to deduct that now? I've got proof(bank statements) of purchase or whatever. Just wondering if I can somehow tag that on this year or if I missed the ball on that one.

You can deduct the tutition costs paid (not used) for 2004 as part of the Lifetime Learning Credit.

There is no student status when it comes to taxes.
You are a regular taxpayer that bends over to take the shaft just like everyone else.


You can file an 1040X form for your 2003 taxes to claim the books. If the books were paid for in 2003, then they should not be claimed on the 2004 return.

Thank you very much kind sir.
 

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OK, eagle was PMing me and all is clear, I think :)

Federally one can deduct annual tag fees/registration tax on a car, if it's based upon vehicle value. I have done that.

Statewise, however, only some states allow it, and since Alabama is not one of the states that does I cannot deduct my yearly car registration fee for my state return.

So: Federal: $195 deducted/State: $0 deducted for automobiles :)

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It was recommended to spend that money saved (worked out to about $30 I think) bringing out the family for dinner, but I already spent $22 today at lunch :D