CaseTragedy
Platinum Member
Careful when you're following behind a speeder--chances are you'll be the one to get ticketed.
Apparently they ticket the guy at the end of the speeding line. 😕
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ATOT - the "holier than thou" attitude about speeding.
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Careful when you're following behind a speeder--chances are you'll be the one to get ticketed.
Apparently they ticket the guy at the end of the speeding line. 😕
Vic
Elite Member
ATOT, just like the rest of the internet, represents a microcosm of society. ATOT, in particular, represents American society, especially its single underlying fault. That fault, of course, is the individual American's belief that we are all equal but he is just a bit more equal than most. So he tells everyone that everything they do is wrong, and he cast judgement, and he walks around swaggeringly proud of all his lacks. So, if he can't drive, he makes himself proud that he forces everyone else to drive in a manner that he considers "safe" for himself. As everyone is equal (but he is more equal than most), he is incapable of believing that other drivers on the road could be more skilled than he is, or that they could be safer at 90 than he is at any speed.
America is only country in the world where a guy will hold up traffic doing 70 in the left lane just because he thinks that's "fast enough." In other countries, that guy would get run off the road and deservedly so.
This American attitude of "equality" stretches to almost any subject, from drugs to alcohol to sex to relationships. In our love of "democracy" (although it's really mob rule), we believe we have the right to tell our neighbors just what they can and cannot do in just about every aspect of their lives. We are the world's most consummate busybodies, arrogantly proud and self-righteous of our every lack.
So when someone talks about speeding or radar detectors on ATOT, the insecure but proud have to rally forth with their arrogant self-righteousness.
Does that answer your question, Tyler?
America is only country in the world where a guy will hold up traffic doing 70 in the left lane just because he thinks that's "fast enough." In other countries, that guy would get run off the road and deservedly so.
This American attitude of "equality" stretches to almost any subject, from drugs to alcohol to sex to relationships. In our love of "democracy" (although it's really mob rule), we believe we have the right to tell our neighbors just what they can and cannot do in just about every aspect of their lives. We are the world's most consummate busybodies, arrogantly proud and self-righteous of our every lack.
So when someone talks about speeding or radar detectors on ATOT, the insecure but proud have to rally forth with their arrogant self-righteousness.
Does that answer your question, Tyler?
That has not been my experience - more than once I've been behind the fastest person on the road, and he's gotten the ticket. Of course I'm a few seconds behind him and I have the added benefit of the radar detector, so if he goes by the cop at 100 then I go by at 80 🙂
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DurocShark
Lifer
The "If you don't want a ticket, don't speed" is valid for anyone to say, regardless if they speed or not.
Why?
Us speeders know that a ticket is coming someday and don't post here whining about getting a ticket.
I normally do 5mph over the limit just because I *don't* want a ticket. (Here in socal, you attract more attention on the fwy if you do the limit than if you speed a little... sigh) But I've been pulled over for doing 110 in a 70. Cop was cool and only hit me for 85 so it would just be a normal speeding ticket instead of a wreckless driving ticket.
Why?
Us speeders know that a ticket is coming someday and don't post here whining about getting a ticket.
I normally do 5mph over the limit just because I *don't* want a ticket. (Here in socal, you attract more attention on the fwy if you do the limit than if you speed a little... sigh) But I've been pulled over for doing 110 in a 70. Cop was cool and only hit me for 85 so it would just be a normal speeding ticket instead of a wreckless driving ticket.
isaacmacdonald
Platinum Member
greeatt.
once again, this is why selective enforcement sucks. I'm just as guilty as you are, even though I'm typically going 82mph on the highway. I love that quote back their about "pushing your luck". Why should traffic enforcement be a crap shoot (aside from the fact that the 'house' is raking in all the dough)?
Yep, before most here were itchin' their daddy's pants 😉Originally posted by: notfred
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: notfred
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Originally posted by: LAUST
lol, those are called the "Twisties"😉
My fav ricer term 😉
How is that a "ricer" term? 😕
A ricer term would be "NAWZ" 😀
- M4H
"Twisties" is also a ricer term, see example:
"Your mustang might be faster than my integra in a straight line, but there's no way you could keep up with me in the twisties, yo!"
Such a line will typically be used after said integra driver lost a drag race to said mustang driver. The line will not typically be used if there is a practical place for an open road race within driving range, as the integra driver is just talking big and doesn't want to risk losing a second race.
Uhhh....for your edification, "twisties" have been called that for decades. WAY precluding any of the lame ricer boys.
The word "rice" has been used for centuries, too.
Our speed limit on the highway is 55 and I go from 80-90 constantly. 80 is the speed of traffic, 90 is the speed of passing. Everyday I just hope that I don't get pulled over. One day while driving down a main road in the city. There was a cop sitting right on the side of the road and he just walked right into the middle of the street and pulled the first person over that he saw. I thought it was lame since about 20 cars in a row were all going that SAME EXACT speed and we were all in control of our vehicles. I hate the fact that speed limits are not raised that people can make money off giving out random tickets. It is not supposed to be a source of income, it is supposed to be a penalty for driving dangerously.
isaacmacdonald
Platinum Member
I know. it's a joke these days. When I got my last ticket (3.5 years ago) I went to court (it's a small town, so all tickets = court date) the da was in the back automatically pleading everyone down to non-moving violations with the same fine (mine was cracked windshield or something else completely random). It's absolutely stupid.
CubicZirconia
Diamond Member
Unless the cops can find a way to pull over everyone, it will always be a crap shoot.
On the original topic, I completely agree. It seems like every few weeks someone will ask about trying to fight a ticket in court. Then you get 30 people who come into the thread and say essentially the same thing. "Pay the fine," "deal with it," or something similar. The thing is, you know damn well at least half of those people would try and fight it too if they were the one with the ticket. I guess its the whole sheep thing. When one person responds in a certain way, everyone else feels compelled to do the same.
this thread is a good example of that.
ExplodingBoy
Senior member
I got a very expensive speeding ticket and lots of points on my license several years ago. That was enough for me. It is one thing to be going 15-20mph above the speed limit under good driving conditions on a highway. It is quite another to be habitually doing 80-100mph under any road/driving conditions.
You're pretty safe doing 65 in a 55 zone, particularly if you're in a 4 door sedan. Cops go after the scofflaws and kids.
What kills me is the jerks that speed in residential zones. Limit is 25 there for a reason, kids. I applaud the speed traps the cops are setting up now near my house.
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You're pretty safe doing 65 in a 55 zone, particularly if you're in a 4 door sedan. Cops go after the scofflaws and kids.
What kills me is the jerks that speed in residential zones. Limit is 25 there for a reason, kids. I applaud the speed traps the cops are setting up now near my house.
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For the most part you're right. But that's not how the law intended them to be. Originally they were to preserve public safety on the roads, but as drivers got worse and worse, and speeders got faster and faster, it turned into selective enforcement. Cops can't catch every speeder, so they make examples out of a few of them.
Chew on this for a bit: why do cops use the flashing lights and blinking headlights and strobes in their cars when they stop a motorist? It's not for safety - people stopped on the side of the road rarely have light bars, and it's not often that they're killed or hit by a passing car. Cops use the bright lights to embarass the violator and to make an example of them. It's like a modern day stockade. Public humiliation. A simple amber directional light would undoubtedly offer the same safety features of the reds and blues, but embarassment and shame is a big part of traffic enforcement. No one wants to be the fish who 'bit the hook.'
Honestly, you can say the same thing about highway tolls: "HIGHWAY TOLLS ARE NOT FOR ROAD UPKEEP! THEY ARE FOR REVENUE!" and you'd be right. And there's selective 'enforcement' of those too - not everyone has to take a toll road to get to work, but many do...and they suffer the consequences.
Not everyone speeds, but many do - and they suffer the consequences. The only difference is that speeding is COMPLETELY and TOTALLY optional, whereas taking a toll road often is unavoidable.
Read my post above - I almost NEVER speed, and SURPRISE SURPRISE! I haven't recieved one moving violation in my three years of driving. That's VERY unusual for a 19-year-old male. Parking tickets though - now THOSE are a different story. 😀
I usually do 5-10 over the normal flow of traffic, I also use a Beltronics 990 fuzz buster which does very well detecting the cops 😀.
I had a close call last month going out to visit my Bro in Michigan. I was cruising down the interstate going about 85. I looked in my rear view mirror and there was a state trooper right on my ass!! I moved over into the slow lane and he blew past me like I was standing still....WHEW 🙂
Ausm
I had a close call last month going out to visit my Bro in Michigan. I was cruising down the interstate going about 85. I looked in my rear view mirror and there was a state trooper right on my ass!! I moved over into the slow lane and he blew past me like I was standing still....WHEW 🙂
Ausm
Oh?
from here
By the way, speeding laws are not enforced for the sake of revenue to the county, city, or state. Enforcement of traffic laws is a public safety issue. Impatient (read 'speeding'), inexperienced, and inattentive drivers cause far more crashes than persons driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs.
😛
Seriously, in Florida, there are certain counties where the officers do not have quotas, per se (damn...used that TWICE in this thread!), but essentially must ticket a certain # of people in order to justify their salary!!
isaacmacdonald
Platinum Member
I'm sorry, but your comparison is flawed. Toll roads are in fact, the polar opposite of "selective enforcement". You see anyone who chooses to take a toll road has to pay the toll. There's no practical way to get around it. In contrast, the vast majority of drivers break the law (keeping up to speed) but only a small minority are fined (and that's what selective enforcement is all about 🙂)
AreaCode707
Lifer
It depends on where you live. In my little NorCal town, 101 freeway speed rarely gets above 68, with a speed limit of 65. In 80 by Sacramento though, yeah, freeway speed is 80 mph.
isaacmacdonald
Platinum Member
To elaborate, the problem with selective enforcement is this:
A minority of people at any given time are punished for the infraction. As a result, there is signifigantly less democractic pressure on the powers that be to meter out punishment that properly corresponds to the infraction. IE: as long as abuse is limited to a small frequency, it is not going to be popularized enough to build opposition. This fundamentally undermines the democratic nature of our system.
A minority of people at any given time are punished for the infraction. As a result, there is signifigantly less democractic pressure on the powers that be to meter out punishment that properly corresponds to the infraction. IE: as long as abuse is limited to a small frequency, it is not going to be popularized enough to build opposition. This fundamentally undermines the democratic nature of our system.
I speed, but I think radar detectors are stupid. They make you have a false sense of security. It makes much more sense to me to know speed traps, check your mirrors for the police and pay attention to the traffic around you. Ever since giving my radar detector away I haven't had a ticket, and I normally drive 10-15 over.
You're completely right. My comparison is off base, but I think we're forgetting the main fault of the selective enforcement argument: it's illegal to speed.
If you want to take yourself out of the minority who get caught, then simply slow down. No one is making you go faster than the speed limit, and no one says you can't speed either - just be prepared to face the consequences of your actions.
We're arguing about the finer points of selective enforcement, but if people would simply obey the laws, then selective enforcement would go the way of the dodo: the cops would be able to pull over every speeder, as there'd be many fewer of them and they'd stick out more.
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