ATOT Landlord Legal advice

hoorah

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Ok, so I thought I would throw this little conundrum out here before talking to a real lawyer (and paying real money) so I might have some idea of what I can do.

I've been renting a place for the last 6 or 7 months. The landlord that showed me the place was very nice, was relatively prompt faxing paperwork, I put down a security deposit, paid the first and last month's rent, and moved in.

Upon moving in, we found a number of things in the apartment that weren't finished. Big things, like the kitchen sink not being hooked up, no water to the building, and one of the toilets didn't work. She made a half assed attempt to get a repair man that called twice to say he would be late then never showed, and won't return calls. Then she stopped returning calls. Finally, I got so fed up with it, that I left her a message that said if she didn't have someone out by the end of the day, I was going to do the work and bill her MY rate. No response. I hooked up the sink, replaced a toilet, intalled a filter in the water filter (the water filter had the paper instructions in it. I wondered why the water smelled funny...) and a number of other things, and deducted the amount from the rent. I billed her about $75 an hour for the work, and sent her the reciepts for the parts. Expected to get a nasty call back saying I couldn't do that, but.....nothing. Guess she's fine with it.

So here's my dilemna, aside from being terrified something will happen during hurricane season down here. I don't trust this woman as far as I can throw her to give my security deposit back. Her phone goes straight to voicemail every time, and she will not return calls. I've called at least 10 times since the last time I've heard from her.

Now, assuming that there is no damage to the apartment, and that there is still no contact when it comes time to move out, what can I do to make sure I get my security deposit back? I've pre-payed the last month's rent, so I was thinking of just not paying the second to last month's rent (as the security deposit is the same amount as one month's rent). I just want to make sure she can't send my ass to a collection's agency. Is there any kind of agency that handle things like this, or any way I can back up my claims of inability to contact the landlord? I was planning on sending a delivery confirmed letter letting her know what I was planning on doing, but again, this is assuming I do this and get no response, as usual.

Any ideas?
 

Codewiz

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Ever heard of walking over there? Yeah a pain in the ass but she can't ignore you if you are standing in front of her.
 

Mursilis

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You didn't say where you are, but if it's a decent-sized city, they sometimes have renter/housing advocacy agencies. You might want to see if there's some local agency that you can talk to.
 

waggy

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document EVERYTHING. of course send everything certified mail.

at least then you have some proof when you sue her to get it back.
 

cker

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IANAL, but one thing I've heard repeatedly from people who claim to be lawyers is to never withold rent. Apparently that pretty much always puts you in the wrong.

That said, most states define some basic minimal standards a rental property must have as a residence. In the South where I live, that basically amounts to "a roof, and not currently on fire." Your state may be more liberal and require extra stuff like water. It sounds like you've spent a lot of money fixing up the landlord's property; I have no idea how likely you are to get that back. Bump on the above advice to check for a renter's advocacy group, but you may want to call around and find a suitable lawyer and then see if you can get an hour to talk this over.

Aside, I've had to call attorneys a few times with questions like "hey, is this on the level" or "is this legal" and I've always ended up having a quick phone call with the attorney. I've never ended up with one actually charging me. I think it's like tech support -- you might charge somebody to actually fix a problem or get in and diagnose, but not to answer the question "Is this spybot program okay to install?" You might get your basic legal question answered free.
 

hoorah

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I'm in South Florida. The address I send the rent to is a large office building in downtown Ft. Lauderdale. I'm sure I could go and *try* to talk to her, but if I were to take a guess, I would say the building probably has security that wouldn't let me up.

On top of that, I'm pretty sure the address I send the rent checks to is her "other" job, but not totally sure. I'm sure bothering her at work might make her realize the seriousness of the situation more, but the last thing I'm trying to do is escalate the situation. I just want to cover my bases before I do anything is all.
 

hoorah

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Originally posted by: cker
IANAL, but one thing I've heard repeatedly from people who claim to be lawyers is to never withold rent. Apparently that pretty much always puts you in the wrong.

That said, most states define some basic minimal standards a rental property must have as a residence. In the South where I live, that basically amounts to "a roof, and not currently on fire." Your state may be more liberal and require extra stuff like water. It sounds like you've spent a lot of money fixing up the landlord's property; I have no idea how likely you are to get that back. Bump on the above advice to check for a renter's advocacy group, but you may want to call around and find a suitable lawyer and then see if you can get an hour to talk this over.

Aside, I've had to call attorneys a few times with questions like "hey, is this on the level" or "is this legal" and I've always ended up having a quick phone call with the attorney. I've never ended up with one actually charging me. I think it's like tech support -- you might charge somebody to actually fix a problem or get in and diagnose, but not to answer the question "Is this spybot program okay to install?" You might get your basic legal question answered free.


Thanks for the advice, I might try that. I'm definitely going to be looking for a rental advocacy group.

I'm not worried about getting the money I've put into fixing up the place out, I've already done that in the form of deducted rent. Mabye that was the wrong thing to do, but she hasn't complained about it yet.

I was afraid that if I withhold the second to last month's rent that would put me in the wrong, but I want to be sure. If I can find a way to force her to come to the apartment, inspect, and cut me a check on the scene on the last day, I'm fine with that too. I just want to get my game plan lined up before its too late to do anything.
 

SagaLore

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Originally posted by: waggy
document EVERYTHING. of course send everything certified mail.

at least then you have some proof when you sue her to get it back.

Including timestamped pictures.