ATOT COVID-19 victims thread.

[highland145]

If you can get to a civilized country, they'll test you.

Or you can go to China and they'll add lead poisoning.

 

[Craig234]

I have a package arriving tomorrow. Should I get it wearing a hazmat suit, and spray it with bleach before bringing it into the house?

I want the item, I just don't want to die (or have road agents steal my water and toilet paper supply).

Or, wait a couple days.

It lasts less than that on cardboard, 2-3 days on things like steel.

 

[pmv]

Other countries are just feeding the panic at this point. I'm not joking when I say that riots are coming if we actually get Italy/Spain type martial law.

In effect, the UK seems to be following Italy rather than South Korea. They are not testing and contact-tracing, instead they are relying on voluntary self-isolation, aiming to gradually get almost everyone infected so to create 'herd immunity' and what seem to be very dodgy 'nudge unit' ideas about manipulating people so as to control the infection level (which is where the 'Freakanomics' connection comes in - they love those Nudge guys).

I don't think I like that choice. The level of manipulation involved is disturbing to me. It's using people as a means not an end, it seems to me.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1238518371651649538

Italy and South Korea were hit by coronavirus outbreaks at the same time - but have responded differently

As COVID-19 spreads around the world, with cases exploding in a number of countries, here's how two countries have responded to the outbreaks.

www.weforum.org

 

[pmv]

I have a package arriving tomorrow. Should I get it wearing a hazmat suit, and spray it with bleach before bringing it into the house?

I want the item, I just don't want to die (or have road agents steal my water and toilet paper supply).

As I said before, just stick it in the microwave for 5 minutes before opening it! That'll kill any bugs.

If it explodes in a ball of flame, just put in an "item not as described" claim, and insist it was already on fire when you received it.

 

[UsandThem]

As I said before, just stick it in the microwave for 5 minutes before opening it! That'll kill any bugs.

If it explodes in a ball of flame, just put in an "item not as described" claim, and insist it was already on fire when you received it.

I tried to make a home-made flame thrower to burn the packaging off of the item, but it didn't go so well.

 

[Muse]

Perhaps (re the panic). But do those two countries literally have 'martial law'? Seems as if the 'lock down' is partly voluntary and partly enforced by the usual civil authorities. Is the military directly involved?

I don't trust Boris Johnson, and most of all I don't trust Dominic Cummings. There seems to be a nexus around our ruling elite that involves a very particular sub-culture, which happens to involve a whole lot of people I have always greatly disliked. That this plan is apparently driven by that lot, including 'behavioural psychologists' (who seem to be connected to the type of people who listen to Freakanomics and think they are smarter than everyone else) makes me apprehensive. It's quite a vague feeling, admittedly, but a lot of people I don't like seem to be connected tangentially to this government and its response to the crisis. It seems quite a high-risk strategy, and psychologists have a track record of hugely over-estimating how good their predictions are, tending to base conclusions on very weak evidence.

But there does seem to be some panic going on. I find I have a huge craving for spaghetti bolognaise now, because all the talk of people panic-buying all the pasta has reminded me I haven't cooked that for years, and the more I read talk of it the more I really want to eat some. And sure enough, I went to the supermarket and all the damn pasta has been cleared off the shelves! All gone!

I've had an unopened package of 6 one pound packages of organic pasta from Costco sitting in storage for several months. For me, pasta is a sometime thing. Not lately. Been eating a whale of a lot of beans and rice for a couple months now! Red beans and rice, in a stir fry with onions, peppers, celery, sausage, herbs. If the beans and rice are in the fridge, I can whip this up in less than 10 minutes.

I'm making bread at the moment in my bread machine. Whole wheat and rye with caraway seeds, my usual.

Never heard of it before but found a recipe for Spaghetti Bolognaise. I could make it, I have most of the ingredients, including pork roast in the freezer, but I'd probably just chip in some of my home made pork sausage for ease.

 

[Muse]

Or you can go to China and they'll add lead poisoning.

Laugh all you want but the Chinese seem to have been so far the most successful at quelling this thing. In Wuhan (heard last night on TV news) where they were getting 10,000 cases a day (?), they're reporting 20 cases a day now! They've dismantled all of the temporary hospitals they erected.

 

[pmv]

Laugh all you want but the Chinese seem to have been so far the most successful at quelling this thing. In Wuhan (heard last night on TV news) where they were getting 10,000 cases a day (?), they're reporting 20 cases a day now! They've dismantled all of the temporary hospitals they erected.

South Korea seems to be turning the corner, so-to-speak, and without the same degree of ruthlessness that the Chinese have employed.

The only thing is, whether the virus will see a resurgence once the Chinese economy starts to return to normal? Once they let everyone out of their lockdown, is it possible the whole thing will flare up again?

Still would rather we'd gone the South Korea route, as at the moment I think we are heading towards being like Italy.

 

[ponyo]

Just make pasta from scratch! Fuck all those hoarders and their shitty pasta they will never stuff their stupid-ass mouths with.

Homemade Pasta Recipe (2 Ingredients, No machine)

Homemade pasta recipe with just 2 ingredients—no machine needed! Make fresh, delicious pasta easily at home in minutes with flour and eggs.

www.biggerbolderbaking.com

I have Phillips Pasta Maker. I knew it would come in handy someday!

 

[Muse]

South Korea seems to be turning the corner, so-to-speak, and without the same degree of ruthlessness that the Chinese have employed.

The only thing is, whether the virus will see a resurgence once the Chinese economy starts to return to normal? Once they let everyone out of their lockdown, is it possible the whole thing will flare up again?

Still would rather we'd gone the South Korea route, as at the moment I think we are heading towards being like Italy.

Yeah, well, S. Korea has been testing 10,000/day. The US is brainless. We should have asked them how to do it. Trump's isolationism is a historic blunder here.

 

[ponyo]

Yeah, well, S. Korea has been testing 10,000/day. The US is brainless. We should have asked them how to do it. Trump's isolationism is a historic blunder here.

All the Western countries are copying South Korea's drive through testing idea now. US is going to use it. So is Germany. And they're asking South Korea on advice how to battle the virus outbreak. This isn't South Korea's first rodeo with virus outbreak. They had to battle numerous serious viral outbreak over the years including SARS, Bird Flu, Swine Flu, and MERS. Western countries have been very lucky and haven't had to deal with the stuff South Korea has over the years.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsa...ough-testing-for-coronavirus-is-fast-and-free

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/12/asia/coronavirus-south-korea-testing-intl-hnk/index.html

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...disparity-in-deaths-and-tactics-idUSKBN20Z27P

 

[highland145]

Laugh all you want but the Chinese seem to have been so far the most successful at quelling this thing. In Wuhan (heard last night on TV news) where they were getting 10,000 cases a day (?), they're reporting 20 cases a day now! They've dismantled all of the temporary hospitals they erected.

Lol let's trust China's reporting.

And the last dismantled...
collapsed.

 

[Muse]

Lol let's trust China's reporting.

And the last dismantled...
collapsed.

WTF would they say 10k to 20? Unfathomable.

 

[highland145]

WTF would they say 10k to 20? Unfathomable.

Absolutely, unfathomable since they're under some tons of concrete.

Problem solved.

 

[brianmanahan]

video by a guy who has corona and is being treated

https://www.reddit.com/r/Cleveland/comments/fiox5x

 

[ultimatebob]

How can you prove they have it, though?

I don't know... have them PM me their test results? Sure, they could probably fake those (I'm not a doctor), but at least I'd make them work for their fraud.

 

[Perknose]

i am now working from home with a bunch of food stocked up

and i dont intend on going outside for a couple weeks at least

So, basically, nothing has changed for you, amIrite?

 

[Wreckem]

The school district I work for is closed until April 6. I get to work from home for two weeks after spring break. By work from home I have to be available by email 8:00am to 4:00pm.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

I'm good. I worry for the people who aren't taking this serious though

When will they wake up?

And realize that this shit is drastically overblown? Yeah who knows

 

[Muse]

nvm

 

[pmv]

All the Western countries are copying South Korea's drive through testing idea now. US is going to use it. So is Germany. And they're asking South Korea on advice how to battle the virus outbreak. This isn't South Korea's first rodeo with virus outbreak. They had to battle numerous serious viral outbreak over the years including SARS, Bird Flu, Swine Flu, and MERS. Western countries have been very lucky and haven't had to deal with the stuff South Korea has over the years.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsa...ough-testing-for-coronavirus-is-fast-and-free

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/12/asia/coronavirus-south-korea-testing-intl-hnk/index.html

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...disparity-in-deaths-and-tactics-idUSKBN20Z27P

I wish that were the case, but the UK is now specifically _not_ testing other than for those on their last legs in hospital. The UK has chosen a high-risk 'novel' approach. I am not happy about this, and it seems lots of epidemiologists and other scientists aren't either. My suspicion is it may owe a lot to the culture of being clever and counter-intuitive just for the sake of it, in which those around Johnson are immersed. Either way they have made a terrible job of explaining what they are doing.

No idea about the accuracy of China's numbers. But I don't think China's secrecy and lack of honesty is an all-purpose justification for discounting everything that comes out of there. The lies have a very specific basis and cause (most obviously, there are huge incentives for low-ranking officials to cover stuff up and pass disinformation up the chain to their bosses). But now the world is paying a lot more attention to events, and the local Chinese officials have all been purged and are well aware of the stakes. So the current figures might in fact be genuine.

But the big question for me about China, is what will happen when they let everybody out of quarantine and try to get the economy started again? Surely it could flare up all over again?

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Everybody dead yet?


Who got all the stuff?

 

[Spacehead]

Everybody dead yet?


Who got all the stuff?

You can have my coronavirus when i'm done with it. PM me your mailing address

 

[ponyo]

I wish that were the case, but the UK is now specifically _not_ testing other than for those on their last legs in hospital. The UK has chosen a high-risk 'novel' approach. I am not happy about this, and it seems lots of epidemiologists and other scientists aren't either. My suspicion is it may owe a lot to the culture of being clever and counter-intuitive just for the sake of it, in which those around Johnson are immersed. Either way they have made a terrible job of explaining what they are doing.

No idea about the accuracy of China's numbers. But I don't think China's secrecy and lack of honesty is an all-purpose justification for discounting everything that comes out of there. The lies have a very specific basis and cause (most obviously, there are huge incentives for low-ranking officials to cover stuff up and pass disinformation up the chain to their bosses). But now the world is paying a lot more attention to events, and the local Chinese officials have all been purged and are well aware of the stakes. So the current figures might in fact be genuine.

But the big question for me about China, is what will happen when they let everybody out of quarantine and try to get the economy started again? Surely it could flare up all over again?

I've read the strategy of UK is to let the public catch the virus and develop natural immunity. I think that's dangerous and potentially foolish strategy. You should only use that strategy as last resort IMO.

I'm watching China and South Korea with interest to see if the virus will make comeback. Likewise, I'm monitoring the situation in Italy as I fear lot of other countries are headed to situation similar to Italy soon.

 

[Number1]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10157129714909150