ATM ate my paycheck

CZroe

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I got off my graveyard shift and went straight to the head office to get my check (faster than direct-deposit). There is a Bank of America nearby where I can immediately deposit it, just as I've done twice monthly for 6 months now. This particular branch has no drive-up ATMs. I walk up to the two ATMs and note that one has a "Temporarily Out of Service" message on the screen, so I use the other. When I get to the point where I choose to deposit cash or check, the check option is grayed out. "Oh well. Guess I'll go to a different branch." I thought, as I went back to my bike and threw my motorcycle gear back on.

Before leaving, I look back and see that the other ATM no longer says "Out of Service," so I gear-down and walk back. It tells me that I entered an invalid PIN number. "Hmm. That's strange. I'm positive that I entered it right the second time and somewhat sure that I did the first time." I said aloud (I was talking to my brother on the phone ;)). It accepted it on the third attempt. "No biggie." Right? Wrong.

I deposited the check as I normally do, entering the amount because the ATM's OCR strangely seems to work better on hand-written checks than my machine-generated paychecks, but I was so tired that I accidentally pressed the "No Receipt" option thinking that it would consolidate receipts after my next transaction. In the same session where I just successfully "deposited" my paycheck, I then moved to withdraw $20 for gas for my near-empty bike. In the middle of a session where I had just made an AUTHENTICATED transaction, it tells me "incorrect PIN" and prompts me for it again. Normally, over $100 credits instantly and the rest credits later, so I knew something was up when I entered the PIN again and got the "insufficient funds" message. FUCK.

I had to wait for the bank to open and the teller inside just couldn't understand that my PIN was not "locked out" and that the reason it was just rejected at the teller's keypad was probably the same reason it was intermittently rejected at the ATM (something wrong with remotely validating it). I didn't get to try again. They wanted me to talk to a branch manager who just kept pushing for me to open an account at their local branch and close my shared accounts in GA (I am in CA now; the sharing is still needed with family members to pay bills). The branch manager called some claims line and explained it completely wrong to the person on the other end. I was then forced to hear some message that was not really applicable to my situation (sounded like it was for "did not dispense cash" scenarios). They are sending an affidavit and I still have nothing in my account.

They estimate 21-40 days or something like that. I asked if they could just open the ATM and get my check out. In the unlikely scenario that their tech doesn't find it (or snatches it), I figured that it'd be up to my employer to stop-payment and reissue. Nope. They are forcing me to go through their "investigation" instead.

They said that they should be able to temporarily authorize $100 then and the rest later but that it would be subject to repayment if the investigation did not find anything. The $100 never appeared and it's now the next day (keep in mind, this happened just before they opened for business yesterday).

:|:|:|:|:|

Cliffs:
Used one of those fancy envelope-less Bank of America ATMs and deposited my check.
Tried to withdraw and got "insufficient funds."
No record of deposit was found.
Bank is making me jump through hoops with no promise of a quick-fix.
Did not even get the temporary credit I was offered while it is being investigated.
*angry face x5*

Update:
The provisional credit showed up a day later for the full amount.
A week later I called, provided the claim number, and was told that it was still "under investigation." I got a letter in the mail saying the same thing.
I called yesterday before depositing my next paycheck and they said that it had been resolved and that the provisional credit would now be permanent.
*whew*
 

CZroe

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What *really* scares me is that I wouldn't even know if I didn't need gas money right away. :| I'd be sitting here right now confident that my bills were getting paid.
 

Newbian

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I figured that it'd be up to my employer to stop-payment and reissue. Nope. They are forcing me to go through their "investigation" instead.

Who is making you do that?

If it's the bank just get your employer to do the reissue since they can do that.
 

zerocool84

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I've always used direct deposit but when I had a job that didn't I ALWAYS went in to deposit the check. I"m not trusting my deposit to a machine.
 

TruePaige

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Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: Locut0s
Originally posted by: FallenHero
Originally posted by: Kadarin
Originally posted by: her209
This is why I always go inside to deposit checks. Always.

This.

Direct Deposit FTW!

This.

indeed.

plus...trying to withdraw cash out of paycheck, from ATM, assuming that cash will be available?

wtf, man?

Those two things about inside and deposits that occur directly.
 

CZroe

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Originally posted by: Kadarin
Originally posted by: her209
This is why I always go inside to deposit checks. Always.

This.

It's what they call an "Electronic Account." From what I understand, if you use a human teller for something you do not have to use one for, they can charge you a fee. BofA is the king of fees.

Originally posted by: FallenHero
Originally posted by: Kadarin
Originally posted by: her209
This is why I always go inside to deposit checks. Always.

This.

Direct Deposit FTW!

Unfortunately, DD takes longer for this particular company and I ultimately will be doing DD to my account with a different bank (once some bills are paid down).

Originally posted by: zinfamous
...trying to withdraw cash out of paycheck, from ATM, assuming that cash will be available?

wtf, man?

Your bank must operate differently. It is supposed to make over $100 available instantaneously while the rest of the check clears. IIRC, it was around $111 or something. It's their official policy for me to use in this way and I attempted to use it. It's not like there was a chance of overdrawing... it notified me of insufficient funds. I don't see a problem with it.

My sister's bank, WaMu, would make the entire amount available instantly. I've seen that some have had trouble since the change to Chase though.
 

CZroe

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Oh... I worked 9 years at the NCR facility that branded these monsters. I was just a security guard but I know a few people I can yell at. They'll probably blame it on some remote server and they're probably right, but they'd better hope it was not handled by Terradata (also in the same facility).
 

Sea Moose

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Originally posted by: CZroe
What *really* scares me is that I wouldn't even know if I didn't need gas money right away. :| I'd be sitting here right now confident that my bills were getting paid.

just dont put this in your motor bike tank
 

CZroe

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Originally posted by: Sea Moose
Originally posted by: CZroe
What *really* scares me is that I wouldn't even know if I didn't need gas money right away. :| I'd be sitting here right now confident that my bills were getting paid.

just dont put this in your motor bike tank

Yeah... I saw that thread. ;)
 

Sea Moose

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JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: CZroe
Originally posted by: Kadarin
Originally posted by: her209
This is why I always go inside to deposit checks. Always.

This.

It's what they call an "Electronic Account." From what I understand, if you use a human teller for something you do not have to use one for, they can charge you a fee. BofA is the king of fees. -- You understand incorrectly!!!
Originally posted by: FallenHero
Originally posted by: Kadarin
Originally posted by: her209
This is why I always go inside to deposit checks. Always.

This.

Direct Deposit FTW!

Unfortunately, DD takes longer for this particular company and I ultimately will be doing DD to my account with a different bank (once some bills are paid down).

Originally posted by: zinfamous
...trying to withdraw cash out of paycheck, from ATM, assuming that cash will be available?

wtf, man?

Your bank must operate differently. It is supposed to make over $100 available instantaneously while the rest of the check clears. Again you are totally wrong! It does not make funds available that are not there!!


IIRC, it was around $111 or something. It's their official policy for me to use in this way and I attempted to use it. It's not like there was a chance of overdrawing... it notified me of insufficient funds. I don't see a problem with it.

My sister's bank, WaMu, would make the entire amount available instantly. I've seen that some have had trouble since the change to Chase though.

 

CZroe

Lifer
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Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: CZroe
Originally posted by: Kadarin
Originally posted by: her209
This is why I always go inside to deposit checks. Always.

This.

It's what they call an "Electronic Account." From what I understand, if you use a human teller for something you do not have to use one for, they can charge you a fee. BofA is the king of fees.
-- You understand incorrectly!!!
And you assume too much. I opened the account with NationsBank in the '90s and it most certainly was that way. I haven't often needed a teller and I've never been charged for using one so I've long suspected that it has changed. However, if anything, their modern reputation for fees as a profit-center has only worsened as BofA. Regardless of how it is today, I'm telling you as a matter of fact that I would have been charged a $5 fee for using a teller to deposit a check back when I first opened the account.

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: CZroe
Originally posted by: zinfamous
...trying to withdraw cash out of paycheck, from ATM, assuming that cash will be available?

wtf, man?

Your bank must operate differently. It is supposed to make over $100 available instantaneously while the rest of the check clears. IIRC, it was around $111 or something. It's their official policy for me to use in this way and I attempted to use it. It's not like there was a chance of overdrawing... it notified me of insufficient funds. I don't see a problem with it.

My sister's bank, WaMu, would make the entire amount available instantly. I've seen that some have had trouble since the change to Chase though.
Again you are totally wrong! It does not make funds available that are not there!!

I'm telling you how my account with this bank works... CONFIRMED. Others may have different amounts available immediately for a check deposit, but I get about $111 of the full amount available immediately once per 24hr period. It's inarguable. If you believe otherwise, you are simply wrong. Obviously, if the check bounces then they will retroactively place me in a negative balance but that will not happen (multi billion dollar international security company).

Now... FYI, bolding your replies in my block quote doesn't help readability if you bold my text too. :roll:
 

Linflas

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ATM's actually have a small safe inside them where the deposits and cash are kept. When they are opened by a teller it is done under dual control (another teller watching the teller opening the machine) so if your check is in there you have little worry about it being "snatched".
 

Redfraggle

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Screw the bank. Go to the source and get a new check, have them stop payment on the other one. Problem solved. Annoying, yes. Easiest solution though.
 

nerp

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I always deposit my check at an ATM and I've never had a problem. Granted, I don't live check to check so even if my check was destroyed somehow, I wouldn't be bouncing bills or getting insufficient funds messages. :)
 

dullard

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I've always been too worried about that possibility to deposit anything at an ATM. Checks are bad enough, I'll never deposit cash at an ATM. I've posted against depositing there before and other Anandtech members laughed at me saying there is no possibility of a problem.

Direct deposit for me comes through 2 days BEFORE payday. So, for me, it is by far the fastest. For the actual printed checks, I always go inside. It is usually faster that way than with the long ATM lines (the closest ATM is at a university student union).
 

CZroe

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Originally posted by: Linflas
ATM's actually have a small safe inside them where the deposits and cash are kept. When they are opened by a teller it is done under dual control (another teller watching the teller opening the machine) so if your check is in there you have little worry about it being "snatched".

I'm comforted but I've already seen reports of them disappearing in these same ATMs. I'm not going to count on it. Thanks.

Originally posted by: Redfraggle
Screw the bank. Go to the source and get a new check, have them stop payment on the other one. Problem solved. Annoying, yes. Easiest solution though.

Thanks, I may resort to that yet. The thing is though, it isn't free. They very well may find the check and deposit it today for all I know and I'll feel pretty stupid if I end up paying money when I didn't have to. Granted, I read a few horror stories regarding the same ATMs and missing checks so I am not ignoring the possibility that it might mysteriously disappear.