Atlanta's Proposed Cop City Goes To Ballot

[ivwshane]

So we need to require proper training before suppling proper training? I believe I just banged my knees on a paradox.

Or maybe we prioritize training that deals with interactions they are more likely to face on a daily basis. What do you think cops are more likely to face on a daily basis, shootouts, high speed chases, drug busts, or domestic disputes, mental/counseling, traffic stops?

 

[BoomerD]

Or maybe we prioritize training that deals with interactions they are more likely to face on a daily basis. What do you think cops are more likely to face on a daily basis, shootouts, high speed chases, drug busts, or domestic disputes, mental/counseling, traffic stops?

Maybe several or all of those in one interaction?

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Unfortunately, all too often, those can and have all occurred within the same incident.

A traffic stop for a bad taillight can lead to a chase because the driver is holding drugs or leaving the scene of a domestic, or may even have kidnapped a domestic partner where one or both are in a mental health crisis.

 

[ivwshane]

I guess you guys missed the key phrase, “more likely to face” because a high speed chase and a shootout are both very unlikely to happen. But I’m using statistics and not my feels.



/smh

 

[Greenman]

Greenman’s ideal town...

Childish response noted. I hope it made you feel empowered.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Didn't Georgia police just fucking kill two people by performing a PIT maneuver on the highway? Which, I guess would be one way of making the case they need better training for that, but in reality it just shows how fucking stupid it is to be doing the high speed chases in the first place. Apparently that happened like a year ago.

Actually, JFC:
https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/2-children-ejected-after-pit-maneuver-in-i-85-chase

Yeah, just what we need is police doing this shit more.

Unfortunately, all too often, those can and have all occurred within the same incident.

A traffic stop for a bad taillight can lead to a chase because the driver is holding drugs or leaving the scene of a domestic, or may even have kidnapped a domestic partner where one or both are in a mental health crisis.

Unfortunately you're just talking out of your ass. High speed police chases are not a common occurance and are fucking pointless and stupid and actually unfortunately all too often caused specifically by police escalating a situation rather then out of some random happenstance when performing a normal traffic stop. Just like we see with shootings, where cops pull some bullshit, intentionally escalate a situation so they can work their adrenaline junky testostergasm out.

Like this situation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Timothy_Russell_and_Malissa_Williams

Seriously fuck police acting like that and fuck anyone defending their blatant fucked up psycopathic desires to act out action movies.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

ALL chases, 100% of chases are initiated by the driver of the fleeing vehicle failing to stop when directed.

The reasons they fail to stop can be all over the board.

Whether or not the pursuing officer should continue the chase given circumstances or traffic is another matter. THAT is where training comes in.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

How can you just refuse to do your basic duty?

‘Stop Cop City’ petition campaign in limbo as Atlanta officials refuse to process signatures

Officials from the City of Atlanta have refused to verify tens of thousands of signatures submitted by activists who have been trying for two years to stop the construction of a police and firefighter training center.

 

[Vic]

ALL chases, 100% of chases are initiated by the driver of the fleeing vehicle failing to stop when directed.

The reasons they fail to stop can be all over the board.

Whether or not the pursuing officer should continue the chase given circumstances or traffic is another matter. THAT is where training comes in.

I, for one, am glad to live in a state where police are prohibited from putting innocent lives in danger just because they don't know how to take down a license plate number or use the radio.

 

[Vic]

How can you just refuse to do your basic duty?

‘Stop Cop City’ petition campaign in limbo as Atlanta officials refuse to process signatures

Officials from the City of Atlanta have refused to verify tens of thousands of signatures submitted by activists who have been trying for two years to stop the construction of a police and firefighter training center.

Because police corruption is that powerful.

The reason the GOP took over every big city police union in the country was so they could continue to wield power in those cities in spite of the voters. So do you think they're going to let a little petition stop them?

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Not lockin' em up.

Georgia prosecutors drop all 15 counts of money laundering against 3 ‘Cop City’ activists​

Georgia prosecutors have dropped all 15 counts of money laundering that were levied against three Atlanta organizers accused of misusing a bail fund to aid violent protests against the city’s proposed police and fire training center.

 

[hal2kilo]

I, for one, am glad to live in a state where police are prohibited from putting innocent lives in danger just because they don't know how to take down a license plate number or use the radio.

Well, they have restored the chases here in WA cause reasons, and now people are getting killed again trying to catch these people.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Well, they have restored the chases here in WA cause reasons, and now people are getting killed again trying to catch these people.

"You can't outrun the radio" cuts both ways, interestingly enough. As the runner, you'll probably be caught. As the cop, it also means you probably don't have to chase and put the public at risk.

 

[Greenman]

Not lockin' em up.

Georgia prosecutors drop all 15 counts of money laundering against 3 ‘Cop City’ activists​

Georgia prosecutors have dropped all 15 counts of money laundering that were levied against three Atlanta organizers accused of misusing a bail fund to aid violent protests against the city’s proposed police and fire training center.

I'm still baffled by those folks not wanting the police trained.

 

[Fenixgoon]

I'm still baffled by those folks not wanting the police trained.

Have you read anything about the facility? Where it's located and what kind of training would be offered?

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

We don't need local police trained in militaristic combat tactics using explosives.

State Police and anti-terror squads might need that kind of specialized training.

 

[uallas5]

I'm still baffled by those folks not wanting the police trained.

I would say we all do, as in we all want police to be "adequately" trained, which doesn't happen. When a licensed cosmetologist has almost 5 TIMES the training for their license as opposed to a police officer (3000 hours vs avg of 652), can anyone really say that police are 'adequately" trained? That means even a "beauty school dropout" probably has 2 to 3 times the training than a police graduate.

Police Training Requirements by Country 2025

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How US police training compares with the rest of the world

Amid calls to improve training in the US, we examine how it compares with other developed countries.

www.bbc.com

Not Enough Training — The Institute for Criminal Justice Training Reform

www.trainingreform.org

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

And they're often trained in the wrong things. Too much 'comply or die' and not enough de-escalation.

A recruit just died in boxing training in Maryland? They suspended the program as a result. Boxing? I can see wrestling and other methods to contain an offender, but boxing?

 

[Greenman]

I would say we all do, as in we all want police to be "adequately" trained, which doesn't happen. When a licensed cosmetologist has almost 5 TIMES the training for their license as opposed to a police officer (3000 hours vs avg of 652), can anyone really say that police are 'adequately" trained? That means even a "beauty school dropout" probably has 2 to 3 times the training than a police graduate.


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Police Training Requirements by Country 2025

Discover population, economy, health, and more with the most comprehensive global statistics at your fingertips.

worldpopulationreview.com

How US police training compares with the rest of the world

Amid calls to improve training in the US, we examine how it compares with other developed countries.

www.bbc.com

Not Enough Training — The Institute for Criminal Justice Training Reform

www.trainingreform.org

So how does preventing a facility from being built improve that situation? The problem needs to be addressed with a little logic, not a bunch of emotion. Insufficient training appears to be a problem, no training isn't going to improve that situation.

 

[MrSquished]

As usual Green Man proving why Trump is his guy with every word he types.

The training police get is bad training. As we can see by the police we get. We don't need to build shrines to this training that gives us shitty police. First you fucking update the training, change it, make it better, then build something. Not building something too reinforce the crap we get.

These fucking Trump voters are really fucking stupid holy shit

 

[Brainonska511]

Have you read anything about the facility? Where it's located and what kind of training would be offered?

I've read about it and it seems like a pretty stupid way to spend protest energy when it comes to fixing law enforcement and criminal justice issues. It just eats up all the oxygen and moves the focus away from more meaningful changes.

 

[K1052]

The facility is not the problem. The kinds and amount of training police in America are given is the problem. But that's a more difficult concept to protest against so the physical manifestation gets the brunt of it.

 

[ivwshane]

The facility is not the problem. The kinds and amount of training police in America are given is the problem. But that's a more difficult concept to protest against so the physical manifestation gets the brunt of it.

I think mrsquished had it right; you don’t build an infrastructure that focuses on giving police more of the bad training they are already getting.

It would be like complaining about the debt and then supporting policies that will blow up the debt.